Marijuana to Blame for Increased Drug Use in 2009, Government Report Says

[Article 15]

Just like ending prohibition stopped the moonshine business.

You really need to get out more.

In terms of a percentage, would you care to take a guess at how much of the alcohol market share illegal moonshine sales have?

What difference does that make?

There is no evidence that suggest that by legalizing pot the cartels would disappear. That's just plain ******* stupid and only a fool would buy into that argument.

I'm curious because I think that legalizing it would dry up most of the black market for weed like it did alcohol. I agree that it wouldn't "make the cartels disappear" but it sure as hell would kill the revenue they receive from marijuana.

So do you have an answer?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

In terms of a percentage, would you care to take a guess at how much of the alcohol market share illegal moonshine sales have?

What difference does that make?

There is no evidence that suggest that by legalizing pot the cartels would disappear. That's just plain ******* stupid and only a fool would buy into that argument.

I'm curious because I think that legalizing it would dry up most of the black market for weed like it did alcohol. I agree that it wouldn't "make the cartels disappear" but it sure as hell would kill the revenue they receive from marijuana.

So do you have an answer?

I'm against legalizing pot, period. If you want to hurt the cartels, then sealing the borders would be the best way to do that.

 

[Article 15]

What difference does that make?

There is no evidence that suggest that by legalizing pot the cartels would disappear. That's just plain ******* stupid and only a fool would buy into that argument.

I'm curious because I think that legalizing it would dry up most of the black market for weed like it did alcohol. I agree that it wouldn't "make the cartels disappear" but it sure as hell would kill the revenue they receive from marijuana.

So do you have an answer?

I'm against legalizing pot, period. If you want to hurt the cartels, then sealing the borders would be the best way to do that.

I'm not asking you whether you are for or against pot or how you would hurt the cartels. I am asking you a simple question regarding the black market for alcohol in the United States. How big is the black market for alcohol here in relation to the legit market?

 

[Harry Dresden]

After 35 years of smoking 2-3 packs a day, I quit 5 years ago. It is not that hard. But I started smoking when I was 14. Why? Probably because everybody smoked. Then, years later, it became fashionable to quit.

But I do know someone who has to smoke pot everyday. She told that those who say it's not addictive are lying. She said she hasn't gone a day in the last 10 years without smoking weed.

Try smoking pot just walking around in public if you think it's harmless. You can't do it in public buildings because smoking anything there is illegal.

Why do people need to smoke it at all? How does it improve their lives?

Bullfighter....there are a hell of a lot of people who cant quit smoking Cigs.....there are plenty of studies out there saying cigs are one of the hardest drugs to stop doing....for you to tell us because you were able to quit,and you know a pot smoker...WHO DOES NOT WANNA QUIT....is pretty stupid,just to try and make a point....the girl you know can quit....but SHE DOES NOT WANT TO.....pot can be MENTALY addictive....Cigs ARE very physically addictive....and believe me dude....I HAVE walked around in public high before....and gee....no harm came to me or anyone else.....do some research before you open your yap....

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I'm curious because I think that legalizing it would dry up most of the black market for weed like it did alcohol. I agree that it wouldn't "make the cartels disappear" but it sure as hell would kill the revenue they receive from marijuana.

So do you have an answer?

I'm against legalizing pot, period. If you want to hurt the cartels, then sealing the borders would be the best way to do that.

I'm not asking you whether you are for or against pot or how you would hurt the cartels. I am asking you a simple question regarding the black market for alcohol in the United States. How big is the black market for alcohol here in relation to the legit market?

It doesn't matter how big or small the black market is in relation to alcohol. This discussion is about marijuana, or haven't you noticed?

 

[Bullfighter]

Harry Dresden;2743441
Bullfighter....there are a hell of a lot of people who cant quit smoking Cigs.....there are plenty of studies out there saying cigs are one of the hardest drugs to stop doing....for you to tell us because you were able to quit,and you know a pot smoker...WHO DOES NOT WANNA QUIT....is pretty stupid,just to try and make a point....the girl you know can quit....but SHE DOES NOT WANT TO.....pot can be MENTALY addictive....Cigs ARE very physically addictive....and believe me dude....I HAVE walked around in public high before....and gee....no harm came to me or anyone else.....do some research before you open your yap....

Are you smoking now? Just one long sentence. See how it effects your typing!

there are a hell of a lot of people who cant quit smoking Cigs.....there are plenty of studies out there saying cigs are one of the hardest drugs to stop doing....for you to tell us because you were able to quit,

So are you saying they should take up smoking pot to put another monkey on their backs?
What good does smoking pot do?

and you know a pot smoker...WHO DOES NOT WANNA QUIT....is pretty stupid,just to try and make a point....the girl you know can quit....but SHE DOES NOT WANT TO.....pot can be MENTALY addictive

It is MENTALLY addictive only to those who SELL POT AND MAKE A PROFIT or those who smoke it and need an excuse to keep smoking it. She was giving me living testamony that see can't stop smoking it because she is addicted to it, PERIOD. Mentally or Physically addictive. Drug dealers get rich and pot smokers have there excuse to keep smoking. It doesn't take a genius or "60 Minutes" to figure that one out.

 

[Gadawg73]

Harry Dresden;2743441
Bullfighter....there are a hell of a lot of people who cant quit smoking Cigs.....there are plenty of studies out there saying cigs are one of the hardest drugs to stop doing....for you to tell us because you were able to quit,and you know a pot smoker...WHO DOES NOT WANNA QUIT....is pretty stupid,just to try and make a point....the girl you know can quit....but SHE DOES NOT WANT TO.....pot can be MENTALY addictive....Cigs ARE very physically addictive....and believe me dude....I HAVE walked around in public high before....and gee....no harm came to me or anyone else.....do some research before you open your yap....

Are you smoking now? Just one long sentence. See how it effects your typing!

there are a hell of a lot of people who cant quit smoking Cigs.....there are plenty of studies out there saying cigs are one of the hardest drugs to stop doing....for you to tell us because you were able to quit,

So are you saying they should take up smoking pot to put another monkey on their backs?
What good does smoking pot do?

and you know a pot smoker...WHO DOES NOT WANNA QUIT....is pretty stupid,just to try and make a point....the girl you know can quit....but SHE DOES NOT WANT TO.....pot can be MENTALY addictive

It is MENTALLY addictive only to those who SELL POT AND MAKE A PROFIT or those who smoke it and need an excuse to keep smoking it. She was giving me living testamony that see can't stop smoking it because she is addicted to it, PERIOD. Mentally or Physically addictive. Drug dealers get rich and pot smokers have there excuse to keep smoking. It doesn't take a genius or "60 Minutes" to figure that one out.

Legalize it and no one gets rich.
People are addicted to coffee, ice tea, sugar, porn, sex, football, cigs, fishing, hunting, etc. Do we make it all illegal?
The Founders were smugglers of drugs. Our government still sanctions drug smuggling to other countries.
Wake up my man. The real world awaits you.

 

[Bullfighter]

[Legalize it and no one gets rich.
People are addicted to coffee, ice tea, sugar, porn, sex, football, cigs, fishing, hunting, etc. Do we make it all illegal?
The Founders were smugglers of drugs. Our government still sanctions drug smuggling to other countries.
Wake up my man. The real world awaits you.

Yeah. Dopers are really going to pay the price of a nickel bag PLUS all those taxes when the Mexican in the alley is selling his at "Pre Legalization" prices. How many people fall for that crap.

 

[Charles_Main]

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The whole the lace it with worse stuff argument is a joke.

First off Most people do not get their weed from some dark scary Drug dealer. The distribution system is very grass roots. Most people get their stuff from a friend. who got it from a friend, and so on.

Second, Most Drug dealing people would never lace pot with a much more expensive drug, and not tell the people they sell it to, so they can CHARGE MORE FOR IT.

Maybe in some inner city where some scum bag guy that tries to get little kids hooked might do that, but not the vast majority of people that sell weed.

Just another of the many scare tactics the government has used to demonize pot for decades.

"I buy my ILLEGAL DRUGS from people I can trust"
How the weather in your fantasy land?​

I never bought pot from someone who had not been my friend for years. Hows the whether in arrogant land?

 

[Charles_Main]

[Legalize it and no one gets rich.
People are addicted to coffee, ice tea, sugar, porn, sex, football, cigs, fishing, hunting, etc. Do we make it all illegal?
The Founders were smugglers of drugs. Our government still sanctions drug smuggling to other countries.
Wake up my man. The real world awaits you.

Yeah. Dopers are really going to pay the price of a nickel bag PLUS all those taxes when the Mexican in the alley is selling his at "Pre Legalization" prices. How many people fall for that crap.

You are a jack ass. Pre legalization prices? The price of Pot is 4 times as HIGH as it would be if legal.

When the congress made Booze illegal the price sky rocketed by 400% over night. The same is true of any banned substance. The prospect of Jail time for selling it. Increases it's price DRAMATICALLY.

If legalized and taxed. It would still be much cheaper than it is today.

People pay up to 400 Dollars an Ounce and more for it today. For a plant anyone can grow. In comparison Tobacco is about 4 Dollars an ounce.

Clearly you have no concept of supply and demand and the effects of being illegal on the market.

 

[hjmick]

And the Ghestapo right still supports the retarded war on pot. It's less dangerous than beer and will cost the right millions of votes in the next few election cycles. But republicans aren't exactly know for being smart.

And by the time you tax the hell out of it like cigarettes, it will cost more to light up than shoot heroin. Then, drug cartels will increase the prices of their supply because the US just increased the value of the product.

Boy, that was real smart!

Is that how it worked when Prohibition was repealed?

 

[Charles_Main]

And the Ghestapo right still supports the retarded war on pot. It's less dangerous than beer and will cost the right millions of votes in the next few election cycles. But republicans aren't exactly know for being smart.

And by the time you tax the hell out of it like cigarettes, it will cost more to light up than shoot heroin. Then, drug cartels will increase the prices of their supply because the US just increased the value of the product.

Boy, that was real smart!

Is that how it worked when Prohibition was repealed?

He is a fool, Making it legal Decreases the value significantly, and no that is not how it worked with Prohibition. With that it went up 400% over night when made illegal, and dropped about 300% when made legal again.

The idea that if pot was legal we would still get it from Drug Cartels is a joke. It would be grown right here in America. Like a big chunk of it already is. Make it legal to posses and grow, and the Cartels are shit out of luck.

 

[Bullfighter]

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I never bought pot from someone who had not been my friend for years. Hows the whether in arrogant land?

Say, what is the stuff that Mexican kids smoke that smells like cherries. The gangs around here are always smoking it. Another reason to keep that crap illegal.

 

[Charles_Main]

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I never bought pot from someone who had not been my friend for years. Hows the whether in arrogant land?

Say, what is the stuff that Mexican kids smoke that smells like cherries. The gangs around here are always smoking it. Another reason to keep that crap illegal.

Smells like cherries? lol no idea.

 

[hjmick]

And by the time you tax the hell out of it like cigarettes, it will cost more to light up than shoot heroin. Then, drug cartels will increase the prices of their supply because the US just increased the value of the product.

Boy, that was real smart!

Is that how it worked when Prohibition was repealed?

He is a fool, Making it legal Decreases the value significantly, and no that is not how it worked with Prohibition. With that it went up 400% over night when made illegal, and dropped about 300% when made legal again.

The idea that if pot was legal we would still get it from Drug Cartels is a joke. It would be grown right here in America. Like a big chunk of it already is. Make it legal to posses and grow, and the Cartels are shit out of luck.

Think of the boon for American farmers...

 

[Bullfighter]

[Legalize it and no one gets rich.
People are addicted to coffee, ice tea, sugar, porn, sex, football, cigs, fishing, hunting, etc. Do we make it all illegal?
The Founders were smugglers of drugs. Our government still sanctions drug smuggling to other countries.
Wake up my man. The real world awaits you.

Yeah. Dopers are really going to pay the price of a nickel bag PLUS all those taxes when the Mexican in the alley is selling his at "Pre Legalization" prices. How many people fall for that crap.

You are a jack ass. Pre legalization prices? The price of Pot is 4 times as HIGH as it would be if legal.

When the congress made Booze illegal the price sky rocketed by 400% over night. The same is true of any banned substance. The prospect of Jail time for selling it. Increases it's price DRAMATICALLY.

If legalized and taxed. It would still be much cheaper than it is today.

People pay up to 400 Dollars an Ounce and more for it today. For a plant anyone can grow. In comparison Tobacco is about 4 Dollars an ounce.

Clearly you have no concept of supply and demand and the effects of being illegal on the market.

When I started smoking around 40 years ago, I could buy a pack of cigarettes for 35 cents. Today I think a pack of cigarettes is around $7.00. How much of that is tax?

There are countries in Europe where the thing to smuggle is cigarettes. They don't bother trying to smuggle drugs.

 

[Charles_Main]

Is that how it worked when Prohibition was repealed?

He is a fool, Making it legal Decreases the value significantly, and no that is not how it worked with Prohibition. With that it went up 400% over night when made illegal, and dropped about 300% when made legal again.

The idea that if pot was legal we would still get it from Drug Cartels is a joke. It would be grown right here in America. Like a big chunk of it already is. Make it legal to posses and grow, and the Cartels are shit out of luck.

Think of the boon for American farmers...

heck yeah. These guys who think the price would go up simply do not understand how expensive it is right now.

You can Make 10's of thousands of Dollars with a grow space no bigger than a closet.

So if you made it legal you could cut the price SIGNIFICANTLY, tax it, and it would still be the most profitable crop a US farmer could grow.

 

[johnrocks]

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I never bought pot from someone who had not been my friend for years. Hows the whether in arrogant land?

Say, what is the stuff that Mexican kids smoke that smells like cherries. The gangs around here are always smoking it. Another reason to keep that crap illegal.

So they are already smoking shit that smells bad to you and that's a reason to keep it ILLEGAL?

 

[Bullfighter]

[
heck yeah. These guys who think the price would go up simply do not understand how expensive it is right now.

You can Make 10's of thousands of Dollars with a grow space no bigger than a closet.

So if you made it legal you could cut the price SIGNIFICANTLY, tax it, and it would still be the most profitable crop a US farmer could grow.

BUT!.......The untaxed product would be significantly cheaper because it is UNTAXED. Take a look at a pack of cigarettes to see all the tax stamps on it. State, County, City, and others. The government really bleeds people who smoke.

 

[Charles_Main]

[
heck yeah. These guys who think the price would go up simply do not understand how expensive it is right now.

You can Make 10's of thousands of Dollars with a grow space no bigger than a closet.

So if you made it legal you could cut the price SIGNIFICANTLY, tax it, and it would still be the most profitable crop a US farmer could grow.

BUT!.......The untaxed product would be significantly cheaper because it is UNTAXED. Take a look at a pack of cigarettes to see all the tax stamps on it. State, County, City, and others. The government really bleeds people who smoke.

You do understand that pot comes from a plant that is easier to grow than Tobacco right?

Tobacco is taxed and is still only 4 Dollars an once. Pot is illegal, not taxed and costs 400 dollars an ounce.

Get it?