Marijuana to Blame for Increased Drug Use in 2009, Government Report Says

[Harry Dresden]

You're welcome to check it for yourself.

sorry Lone.....i dont trust stats from any organization that is dead set against OR dead set for what they are rallying about...who should you believe?.....the DEA?....NORMAL?....to biased Orgs....or an independent study?.....♠

 

[topspin]

the politicians are behind the people for sure, there are many conservatives here who think it should be up to the states some who smoke though most seem not too.

I hate on democrats too, it's just that I think this is the biggest issue holding the country back and in general democrats oppose prohibition way more than republicans.

 

[Charles_Main]

the politicians are behind the people for sure, there are many conservatives here who think it should be up to the states some who smoke though most seem not too.

I hate on democrats too, it's just that I think this is the biggest issue holding the country back and in general democrats oppose prohibition way more than republicans.

True, But the board generalizations get pretty old man.

 

[topspin]

Well if I'm not mistaken, those caught with or smoking it will face some type of retribution from the judicial system...

what a ticket....if that?....in some cases as long as your not in a vehical and you have under an ounce the cops dont care.....and this i was told by Anaheim Cops at a Coffee shop before work...

When I worked with the drug task force we didn't bother with pot unless

A) it was over a pound
B) we found it in conjunction with other drugs

Now granted , 99% of the time when we served a warrant there were in fact other drugs present, but sometimes even then pot was ignored.

Case in point, we served a warrant on this house because the guy who lived there was suspected of selling meth. Lots of meth in his house, pus untold guns, money, etc etc. And in granny's nightstand? 6 oz of pot . Turned out granny had glaucoma. Now we do not allow medical pot in Arkansas, but the DEA agent who was in charge slipped the pot back in granny's nightstand told her to have a good night and instructed all of us to forget we ever saw that pot. Mr Meth went to prison.

SO this BS about people getting busted for simple possession of pot is just so much garbage.

I respect what you do for sure, the razzing is bullshit. That said people get busted plenty for just a couple plants. I can't say if they actually do jail time, you'd certainly know better.
it will be legal in a decade or two, we'll collect billions in taxes, save billions in legal and police cost and kids will have a much harder time finding pot. I am in now way in favor of reducing meth, heroin and any other hard drugs Penalties. Free up the jail space for rapist and armed robbers there are plenty of them.

 

[Charles_Main]

Double post

 

[Charles_Main]

what a ticket....if that?....in some cases as long as your not in a vehical and you have under an ounce the cops dont care.....and this i was told by Anaheim Cops at a Coffee shop before work...

When I worked with the drug task force we didn't bother with pot unless

A) it was over a pound
B) we found it in conjunction with other drugs

Now granted , 99% of the time when we served a warrant there were in fact other drugs present, but sometimes even then pot was ignored.

Case in point, we served a warrant on this house because the guy who lived there was suspected of selling meth. Lots of meth in his house, pus untold guns, money, etc etc. And in granny's nightstand? 6 oz of pot . Turned out granny had glaucoma. Now we do not allow medical pot in Arkansas, but the DEA agent who was in charge slipped the pot back in granny's nightstand told her to have a good night and instructed all of us to forget we ever saw that pot. Mr Meth went to prison.

SO this BS about people getting busted for simple possession of pot is just so much garbage.

I respect what you do for sure, the razzing is bullshit. That said people get busted plenty for just a couple plants. I can't say if they actually do jail time, you'd certainly know better.
it will be legal in a decade or two, we'll collect billions in taxes, save billions in legal and police cost and kids will have a much harder time finding pot. I am in now way in favor of reducing meth, heroin and any other hard drugs Penalties. Free up the jail space for rapist and armed robbers there are plenty of them.

He is right that most simple possession does not lead to jail time. Where he is not being honest is saying they "get off" what they get is talked into rolling over on some bigger fish.

Busting the little guys and Holding jail time over their heads is the main way Drug task forces make arrests on the bigger fish.

The point IMO is nobody should ever serve jail time for buying, selling, or smoking a ******* Herb.

 

[Nate]

why?.....whats going to happen?.....

Well if I'm not mistaken, those caught with or smoking it will face some type of retribution from the judicial system...

what a ticket....if that?....in some cases as long as your not in a vehical and you have under an ounce the cops dont care.....and this i was told by Anaheim Cops at a Coffee shop before work...

Varies State to State. Here in Ok;

Code Section Tit. 63 §2-101, et seq.
Possession Misdemeanor with penalty of up to 1 yr. or fined $10,000; Subsequent offense: felony, 2-10 yrs. Fine not to exceed $25,000; Within 1000 feet of school or in presence of child under 12: up to double penalties; subsequent offense: up to triple penalties
Sale Felony, 2-10 yrs. and/or up to $5000; Subsequent offense: double penalties
Trafficking Between 25-1000 lbs.: $25,000 to $100,000; Over 1000 lbs.: $100,000 to $500,000

Oklahoma Marijuana Laws - OK Marijuana Laws - FindLaw for the Public

 

[Nate]

Needless to say here in the Sooner State, you get caught with even a little you're not just going to walk away with a ticket(unless you're dealing with a REALLY cool cop)

 

[jillian]

He is right that most simple possession does not lead to jail time. Where he is not being honest is saying the "get off" what they get is talked into rolling over on some bigger fish.

Busting the little guys and Holding jail time over their heads is the main way Drug task forces make arrests on the bigger fish.

The point IMO is nobody should ever serve jail time for buying, selling, or smoking a ******* Herb.

and people caught with sell-weight, at least here in ny had to face the rockefeller drug laws... stupid as hell way to waste lives and resources.

 

[topspin]

In Louisiana we had a teacher of the year jailed for selling a couple ounces. She and her husband had 5 or six plants and were caught in a bar trying to sell to an under cover cop. Sad but true

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You're welcome to check it for yourself.

sorry Lone.....i dont trust stats from any organization that is dead set against OR dead set for what they are rallying about...who should you believe?.....the DEA?....NORMAL?....to biased Orgs....or an independent study?.....♠

Can you show a study that contradicts the ones the DEA's listed?

 

[ABikerSailor]

The second half of my career, I decided to become a Drug and Alcohol Program Advisor (DAPA). This required that I go to school, and learn about alcohol, cannabis, and all the other drugs. We were educated on the effects, how to spot people using, as well as other things.

Now, during that time, after all the research that I'd done, I decided that when I was completely out of the military, I would consider trying cannabis, because based on all the information that I had read in the military, I figured that it had no damaging effects on the body or mind.

6 months or so, after I'd done a great deal more research from places like Harvard Medical and British Medical society, as well as other references (many came from NORML), and I decided to give it a try. Based on my own experimentation as well as just about everything else I could get from LEGITIMATE (i.e. real doctors and scientists who worked for a reputable organization), there is nothing wrong with cannabis.

Incidentally, in Israel back in biblical times, cannabis was an ingredient in the Holy Annointing Oil of the Kings of Israel. Archaeological evidence has also been unearthed dating back to those times showing there was both medical and recreational use that those people did.

And, considering the whole reason it was made illegal in the first place (racism.....Anslinger wanted a way to lock up the brown and black people, and because they were the primary users of cannabis, he was FBI and made it illegal), I'd be willing to say that it was made illegal for the wrong reasons and should be legalized now.

Interestingly enough, Nixon wanted a report done on the dangers of pot, so he commissioned a study called "The Laguardia Report". Upon finding that it was favorable towards cannabis, he threw the whole thing into the trash.

If you'd like to get a true history of marijuana in this country, go to the video store sometime and rent a movie called "Grass" which is narrated by Woody Harrelson.

Trust me.......it's an eye opening documentary.

 

[Mr Natural]

The second half of my career, I decided to become a Drug and Alcohol Program Advisor (DAPA). This required that I go to school, and learn about alcohol, cannabis, and all the other drugs. We were educated on the effects, how to spot people using, as well as other things.

Now, during that time, after all the research that I'd done, I decided that when I was completely out of the military, I would consider trying cannabis, because based on all the information that I had read in the military, I figured that it had no damaging effects on the body or mind.

6 months or so, after I'd done a great deal more research from places like Harvard Medical and British Medical society, as well as other references (many came from NORML), and I decided to give it a try. Based on my own experimentation as well as just about everything else I could get from LEGITIMATE (i.e. real doctors and scientists who worked for a reputable organization), there is nothing wrong with cannabis.

Incidentally, in Israel back in biblical times, cannabis was an ingredient in the Holy Annointing Oil of the Kings of Israel. Archaeological evidence has also been unearthed dating back to those times showing there was both medical and recreational use that those people did.

And, considering the whole reason it was made illegal in the first place (racism.....Anslinger wanted a way to lock up the brown and black people, and because they were the primary users of cannabis, he was FBI and made it illegal), I'd be willing to say that it was made illegal for the wrong reasons and should be legalized now.

Interestingly enough, Nixon wanted a report done on the dangers of pot, so he commissioned a study called "The Laguardia Report". Upon finding that it was favorable towards cannabis, he threw the whole thing into the trash.

If you'd like to get a true history of marijuana in this country, go to the video store sometime and rent a movie called "Grass" which is narrated by Woody Harrelson.

Trust me.......it's an eye opening documentary.

No thanks, I learned everything I needed to know about the evils of the "Demon Weed" from watching Reefer Madness.

 

[Charles_Main]

He is right that most simple possession does not lead to jail time. Where he is not being honest is saying the "get off" what they get is talked into rolling over on some bigger fish.

Busting the little guys and Holding jail time over their heads is the main way Drug task forces make arrests on the bigger fish.

The point IMO is nobody should ever serve jail time for buying, selling, or smoking a ******* Herb.

and people caught with sell-weight, at least here in ny had to face the rockefeller drug laws... stupid as hell way to waste lives and resources.

Absolutely. The amount of Dollars, and time, and lives wasted by this war on a Herb are testimony to just how Stupid it is.

I want Weed legalized and taxed. As for the harder drugs, I do not think I would go as far as legalizing them outright. But some form of decriminalization to remove the massive profits to be made from them I would consider.

 

[Gadawg73]

Prescription drugs that are easily available via your neighborhood doctor any time you want them and are far more dangerous than heroin.
And you clowns believe reefer is the gateway to the prescription pills?
Marijuana is almost harmless.
Tobacco is the biggest killer and the worst drug out there.

 

[Charles_Main]

Prescription drugs that are easily available via your neighborhood doctor any time you want them and are far more dangerous than heroin.
And you clowns believe reefer is the gateway to the prescription pills?
Marijuana is almost harmless.
Tobacco is the biggest killer and the worst drug out there.

With Alcohol a close second.

 

[Gadawg73]

You're welcome to check it for yourself.

sorry Lone.....i dont trust stats from any organization that is dead set against OR dead set for what they are rallying about...who should you believe?.....the DEA?....NORMAL?....to biased Orgs....or an independent study?.....♠

Can you show a study that contradicts the ones the DEA's listed?

DEA is a government bureaucracy. They want to continue having jobs and funding.
I have worked many a drug case in my 30 year career. All of the retired DEA agents I have known all admit the war on drugs is a joke. Decriminalize drugs and the cartels disapear over night ie Al Capone and the liquor cartel.
Do they sell Jack Daniels on the street in your neighborhood and kill others that attempt to sell it?
Case closed.

 

[ABikerSailor]

The second half of my career, I decided to become a Drug and Alcohol Program Advisor (DAPA). This required that I go to school, and learn about alcohol, cannabis, and all the other drugs. We were educated on the effects, how to spot people using, as well as other things.

Now, during that time, after all the research that I'd done, I decided that when I was completely out of the military, I would consider trying cannabis, because based on all the information that I had read in the military, I figured that it had no damaging effects on the body or mind.

6 months or so, after I'd done a great deal more research from places like Harvard Medical and British Medical society, as well as other references (many came from NORML), and I decided to give it a try. Based on my own experimentation as well as just about everything else I could get from LEGITIMATE (i.e. real doctors and scientists who worked for a reputable organization), there is nothing wrong with cannabis.

Incidentally, in Israel back in biblical times, cannabis was an ingredient in the Holy Annointing Oil of the Kings of Israel. Archaeological evidence has also been unearthed dating back to those times showing there was both medical and recreational use that those people did.

And, considering the whole reason it was made illegal in the first place (racism.....Anslinger wanted a way to lock up the brown and black people, and because they were the primary users of cannabis, he was FBI and made it illegal), I'd be willing to say that it was made illegal for the wrong reasons and should be legalized now.

Interestingly enough, Nixon wanted a report done on the dangers of pot, so he commissioned a study called "The Laguardia Report". Upon finding that it was favorable towards cannabis, he threw the whole thing into the trash.

If you'd like to get a true history of marijuana in this country, go to the video store sometime and rent a movie called "Grass" which is narrated by Woody Harrelson.

Trust me.......it's an eye opening documentary.

No thanks, I learned everything I needed to know about the evils of the "Demon Weed" from watching Reefer Madness.

You know.....I've known people who think that fucked up piece of shit is an actual documentary.

Research a bit about the movie.........it was amazing how much Anslinger got HollyWeird to play along, as well as all the obvious things that they stated cannabis did.

You know.......they could have named that movie "Meth Madness" and it would have been closer to the truth, because meth and heroin causes behavior like what was in the movie.

Total fabricated bullshit, and I've told some of my friends that if they believe that movie, they're dumber than plant life.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Except for the assholes who lace their pot with LSD or something similar. Or do you not consider them to be pot users anymore?

NEVER encountered anything like that in all the years i smoked....most people i knew and bought from would not sell shit like that....if you go and buy from the lowlife on the corner you get what you get,including the shit that goes with it.....i knew who i was buying from,and i knew they knew their supplier.....your talking about the moron pot smokers Con....know your guys....there is the legit and the shady.....know who each are and you will have no problems....

 

[Charles_Main]

Except for the assholes who lace their pot with LSD or something similar. Or do you not consider them to be pot users anymore?

NEVER encountered anything like that in all the years i smoked....most people i knew and bought from would not sell shit like that....if you go and buy from the lowlife on the corner you get what you get,including the shit that goes with it.....i knew who i was buying from,and i knew they knew their supplier.....your talking about the moron pot smokers Con....know your guys....there is the legit and the shady.....know who each are and you will have no problems....

The whole the lace it with worse stuff argument is a joke.

First off Most people do not get their weed from some dark scary Drug dealer. The distribution system is very grass roots. Most people get their stuff from a friend. who got it from a friend, and so on.

Second, Most Drug dealing people would never lace pot with a much more expensive drug, and not tell the people they sell it to, so they can CHARGE MORE FOR IT.

Maybe in some inner city where some scum bag guy that tries to get little kids hooked might do that, but not the vast majority of people that sell weed.

Just another of the many scare tactics the government has used to demonize pot for decades.