Manafort and Flynn descending into a legal hell

[rshermn]

So Mueller asked to seal nothing? Really?

You have a really nasty habit of rushing through posts and sloppily responding. That's because you don't put any effort into this because you're a troll.

Mueller had to seal the classified intel because he couldn't risk Flynn or his attorneys leaking it to Russia because it contains the methods and tactics used by counter-intelligence to spy on Russian spies.

Yes, but crusader frank does not believe what he says. Poor baby just likes to distribute conservative talking points. Truth be damned.

 

[The Derp]

I was thinking of improperly unmasking Flynn. Kislayk was supposedly subject to FISA and Obama thought to listen in on a call between the Russian Ambassador and the new head of NSA and then have that call leaked to the media

Kislyak is a foreign spy and our intelligence agencies surveil him because of his position as a Russian spy.

Why shouldn't Obama have listened into a conversation Kislyak was having with Flynn when Trump was saying no one on his team had contact with Russia? Obviously, they did have contact with Russia and Trump was lying when he said they didn't.

 

[bendog]

They stem from the Illegally obtained FISA Warrant,

How so? The recordings of Flynn were of the Russian's tapped line, not Flynn's. Why was Flynn talking to the top Russian spy when you all were saying there was no contact with Russia?

I think you're trying to conflate Flynn with Page because you think that's how you obfuscate your way outta this thread.

Flynn wasn't wiretapped; the Russian spy he was working with was. Flynn was caught on the surveillance of the Russian spy. That's got nothing to do with FISA.

or are you OK with the government spying on political opponents? Can Trump spy on Kamala Harris, cause, ya know Russia!?

The government wasn't wiretapping Flynn, they were wiretapping Kislyak. You know, the Russian spy Trump said no one in his campaign had any contact with. That obviously wasn't true, was it?

That's why the meme doesn't make sense to me. Assuming there's anything wrong with the Page taps, they have nothing to do with Flynn/Russian ambassador. As Franks reply sort of alludes to, there's speculation that not everyone in the FBI was on board with Flynn actually having lied to the FBI about his Russian contacts. Did the FBI hide those dissenting opinions that Flynn could have put in front on a jury to defend himself at trial? There's no way to know.

But the ramifications to Flynn for withdrawing the plea .....
Michael Flynn’s latest legal problems: a brief guide

And he didn't absolutely get immunity from his invovment with Turkey and there attempts to get ahold of Erdogon's enemy, but if he's helpful to Mueller, and if he's no longer a player in working for foreign govts .... what's the point of prosecuting him. It looks vindictive and petty.

 

[nat4900]

One has to wonder how folks like Manafort and Flynn (especially) are today reviewing their future fate.

Manafort has been a fraud and a treasonous crook for many years, and would probably have continued to be a wealthy scoundrel had he not decided to link up with the likes of an even bigger crook like Trump to avoid financial ruin.

Flynn, on the other hand, has forfeited a stellar military career and because of his greed, decided to also link up with the fraudulent likes of Trump, only to be ruined for life.

Just think of how these two men will be judged in the future….not only legally, but ethically as well.

Of course, other low-life people like Papadopolus and Page also thought that they had hit the “jackpot” when Trump chose these two pieces of scum to be part of his “advisory” entourage, only to find out that their only hope of escaping prison was to sing “arias” about the crooked dealings of this totally corrupt administration.

Trump acolytes have decided to place their dimming hopes that Trump would escape his just “desserts” on a questionable dossier, but delusion is an empty and sorry escape from the on-coming storm to soon hit Trump and his entourage, and these naive backers' own stupidity in supporting a fast-talking liar, demagogue, inept and self-centered charlatan.

This next few months should be “historical.”...The small "bribe" of a tax cut with borrowed money may not be enough to lull the senses of that 1/3 of the electorate that backed the buffoon.

They must be terrified. They should be...

Watergate Figure John Dean Says Rick Gates’ Testimony Could Be The End Of The Trump Presidency

Indeed, when you've chosen to "dance with the devil" expect to get a bit singed.

 

[rshermn]

Flynn didn't do anything wrong...if he did you libs would be able to tell us what he did but none of you can....Try it libs! tell all of us what Flynn did to collude with Russia...tell us what he did and what his punishment should be...this ought to be good....

it's mueller who knows. & it will all come out.

Very true. All that one should know is true is that Moeller knows more than we do, and way more than the con trolls know. Time will tell.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

They stem from the Illegally obtained FISA Warrant,

How so? The recordings of Flynn were of the Russian's tapped line, not Flynn's. Why was Flynn talking to the top Russian spy when you all were saying there was no contact with Russia?

I think you're trying to conflate Flynn with Page because you think that's how you obfuscate your way outta this thread.

Flynn wasn't wiretapped; the Russian spy he was working with was. Flynn was caught on the surveillance of the Russian spy. That's got nothing to do with FISA.

or are you OK with the government spying on political opponents? Can Trump spy on Kamala Harris, cause, ya know Russia!?

The government wasn't wiretapping Flynn, they were wiretapping Kislyak. You know, the Russian spy Trump said no one in his campaign had any contact with. That obviously wasn't true, was it?

That's why the meme doesn't make sense to me. Assuming there's anything wrong with the Page taps, they have nothing to do with Flynn/Russian ambassador. As Franks reply sort of alludes to, there's speculation that not everyone in the FBI was on board with Flynn actually having lied to the FBI about his Russian contacts. Did the FBI hide those dissenting opinions that Flynn could have put in front on a jury to defend himself at trial? There's no way to know.

But the ramifications to Flynn for withdrawing the plea .....
Michael Flynn’s latest legal problems: a brief guide

And he didn't absolutely get immunity from his invovment with Turkey and there attempts to get ahold of Erdogon's enemy, but if he's helpful to Mueller, and if he's no longer a player in working for foreign govts .... what's the point of prosecuting him. It looks vindictive and petty.

Right, there's been so much wrongdoing by the Democrat Police State under Obama's transformed America, it gets crossed sometimes.

Someone in our Intel agencies committed a still unprosecuted felony in unmasking Flynn and leaking that to the press.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I was thinking of improperly unmasking Flynn. Kislayk was supposedly subject to FISA and Obama thought to listen in on a call between the Russian Ambassador and the new head of NSA and then have that call leaked to the media

Kislyak is a foreign spy and our intelligence agencies surveil him because of his position as a Russian spy.

Why shouldn't Obama have listened into a conversation Kislyak was having with Flynn when Trump was saying no one on his team had contact with Russia? Obviously, they did have contact with Russia and Trump was lying when he said they didn't.

Has this Russian Ambassador spy talked to any Democrats? Trump might want to listen in, right?

 

[bendog]

I was thinking of improperly unmasking Flynn. Kislayk was supposedly subject to FISA and Obama thought to listen in on a call between the Russian Ambassador and the new head of NSA and then have that call leaked to the media

Kislyak is a foreign spy and our intelligence agencies surveil him because of his position as a Russian spy.

Why shouldn't Obama have listened into a conversation Kislyak was having with Flynn when Trump was saying no one on his team had contact with Russia? Obviously, they did have contact with Russia and Trump was lying when he said they didn't.

That goes to unmasking Flynn. Trump's saying his team has no contact .... but...... Masking is to protect innocent americans caught up on taps of foreign nationals in the US. It's not to facilitate hiding people.

 

[playtime]

The point of the O/P is just about how "dangerous" it has proven to link up with the Trump fiasco.

Look at the picture below and tell us who is still around the oval office.

& pence is just as filthy as the rest of them.

Pence definitely knew what was going on because he was head of the transition after Christie was fired.

& pence was handpicked by manafort. what a coinky dinky, 'eh?

 

[bendog]

They stem from the Illegally obtained FISA Warrant,

How so? The recordings of Flynn were of the Russian's tapped line, not Flynn's. Why was Flynn talking to the top Russian spy when you all were saying there was no contact with Russia?

I think you're trying to conflate Flynn with Page because you think that's how you obfuscate your way outta this thread.

Flynn wasn't wiretapped; the Russian spy he was working with was. Flynn was caught on the surveillance of the Russian spy. That's got nothing to do with FISA.

or are you OK with the government spying on political opponents? Can Trump spy on Kamala Harris, cause, ya know Russia!?

The government wasn't wiretapping Flynn, they were wiretapping Kislyak. You know, the Russian spy Trump said no one in his campaign had any contact with. That obviously wasn't true, was it?

That's why the meme doesn't make sense to me. Assuming there's anything wrong with the Page taps, they have nothing to do with Flynn/Russian ambassador. As Franks reply sort of alludes to, there's speculation that not everyone in the FBI was on board with Flynn actually having lied to the FBI about his Russian contacts. Did the FBI hide those dissenting opinions that Flynn could have put in front on a jury to defend himself at trial? There's no way to know.

But the ramifications to Flynn for withdrawing the plea .....
Michael Flynn’s latest legal problems: a brief guide

And he didn't absolutely get immunity from his invovment with Turkey and there attempts to get ahold of Erdogon's enemy, but if he's helpful to Mueller, and if he's no longer a player in working for foreign govts .... what's the point of prosecuting him. It looks vindictive and petty.

Right, there's been so much wrongdoing by the Democrat Police State under Obama's transformed America, it gets crossed sometimes.

Someone in our Intel agencies committed a still unprosecuted felony in unmasking Flynn and leaking that to the press.

The FBI and Obama came to the conclusion sometime in the fall of 16 that Russia was helping Trump, and Trump may have been complicit in accepting help. Obama did not come out and publically say the election was in danger of outside propaganda. btw, Neither did Comey, despite his November surprise with Hillary's emails, and I think that more Comey's incompetence than a conspiracy.

But at any rate the Obama admin got very nervious that Trump was going to bury any evidence of not just help from Russia, but Russia's meddling. And firing Comey makes it pretty undeniable that that was Trump's intention.

 

[rshermn]

I was thinking of improperly unmasking Flynn. Kislayk was supposedly subject to FISA and Obama thought to listen in on a call between the Russian Ambassador and the new head of NSA and then have that call leaked to the media

Kislyak is a foreign spy and our intelligence agencies surveil him because of his position as a Russian spy.

Why shouldn't Obama have listened into a conversation Kislyak was having with Flynn when Trump was saying no one on his team had contact with Russia? Obviously, they did have contact with Russia and Trump was lying when he said they didn't.

Has this Russian Ambassador spy talked to any Democrats? NO. Trump might want to listen in, Again, too busy trying to equip teachers with guns.

 

[bendog]

Regardless of whether Flynn was ground down by the wheels of the DOJ, and imo he was, he's guilty. It's not just his plea, but he took money without disclosing it when as a retired military member he was supposed to disclose it. He's also nuts, and so is his son, but that's not a crime. It's probably why he didn't disclose what he should have. And he's up to his ass in Turkey.

If Flynn knows something about Russia influencing the election, or worse working with Trump to do that, we should know about it.

Worst case is the dems take the House and impeach the guy and the Senate won't convict. And the dems win in 20.

 

[Political Junky]

Most of the charges against Manafort are a joke and I expect Trump to pardon Flynn

Don't hold your breath.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Foreigners are likely helping dems. Trump need to monitor every overseas called made to or from a Dem politician. Cuz, Russia

 

[JakeStarkey]

Mueller knows so much more (like a Ph.d) than TomParks (like pre-k).

 

[del]

Hey moron Flynn pled guilty to lying to FBI about his conversations with Kysliak - what part of that is to tough for you to understand?

I don't care he will walk...he will not go to prison...

yeah, that's kind of the point of a plea deal, corky

 

[del]

Light a few candles to help your cause.......lol

Candles???? When the time comes that you say to yourself damn it that Rambunctious was right again you will take a roman candle and shove it up your ass and light it...

fortunately, we all know that time will never come.

 

[nat4900]

Most of the charges against Manafort are a joke and I expect Trump to pardon Flynn

Don't hold your breath.

On the other hand.........

 

[TomParks]

Most of the charges against Manafort are a joke and I expect Trump to pardon Flynn

Don't hold your breath.

We shall see

 

[nat4900]

Ty Cobb to the Trumpster's entourage....