Making America Great Again: President Trump Seriously Looking At Ending Birthright Citizenship

[Leo123]

Dress like an American? Like a Navajo, Apache, Amish, catholic nun, or like what exactly?

None of those groups include patriarchal-rule of women to dress a certain way. In fact, some Muslim women have been punished for taking them off.

Iranian woman gets 20-year punishment for publicly taking off hijab

"Iranian woman gets 20-year punishment for publicly taking off hijab

Since December 2017, more than 30 Iranian women have been arrested by authorities for removing their veils in public."

"Women, who appear in public places and roads without wearing an Islamic hijab shall be sentenced to ten days to two months imprisonment or a fine of 50 thousand to five hundred rials," states Article 638 of Iran's Islamic Penal Code."

Wouldn't it be a great gesture on the part of Omar to stand in Congress an remove her hijab and declare solidarity with her Iranian 'sisters?' Why doesn't she do this? Until she takes off that symbol of religious oppression of people and especially women I do not consider her part of America. Nor do a lot of people. Next election cycle she'll crash and burn if she doesn't change.

I guess he's been in this country for such a short time he can't figure out what American women dress like.

Maybe he likes 'em in those 'beekeeper' get ups.

 

[Leo123]

There is no express immigration clause, right wingers. It is about being faithful to our express supreme law of the land.

Sorry, the "express LOTL." left a long time ago. We now have a Constitution based on the law of the Creator.

 

[Correll]

I posted photographic evidence to back up my claim, and all you did was restate your claim.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP LEFTARD.

We explained to you that was during the Iraq invasion the international intervention was just...the American invasion of Iraq years later had no legitimacy. Capiche ?

What you did was post a bunch of shit, full more of partisan jabs and shit, than anything resembling a coherent point.


Are you incapable of doing more, or are you purposefully being a prick?

Dude I bet you cant even point where Iraq is...the whole entire world knows and recognize that the Iraq invasion was illegitimate and even the orange admitted that...and you are arguing with your own stupid unfounded stories.

1. You would lose that bet, asshole.

2. THe rest of the world, is too used to being able to take America for granted. No serious adult person could think that removing Saddam was illegitimate.

3. Not sure why you keep referencing Trump. Unless you are putting him forth as an Authority Figure who's wisdom should be deferred to?

You trolling now I have no time for your childish claims and hallucinations.

Your dodge is noted, and you are laughed at. Your cowardly and pathetic dodge.


My points stand.




1. You would lose that bet, asshole.

2. THe rest of the world, is too used to being able to take America for granted. No serious adult person could think that removing Saddam was illegitimate.

3. Not sure why you keep referencing Trump. Unless you are putting him forth as an Authority Figure who's wisdom should be deferred to?

 

[Issa]

Dress like an American? Like a Navajo, Apache, Amish, catholic nun, or like what exactly?

None of those groups include patriarchal-rule of women to dress a certain way. In fact, some Muslim women have been punished for taking them off.

Iranian woman gets 20-year punishment for publicly taking off hijab

"Iranian woman gets 20-year punishment for publicly taking off hijab

Since December 2017, more than 30 Iranian women have been arrested by authorities for removing their veils in public."

"Women, who appear in public places and roads without wearing an Islamic hijab shall be sentenced to ten days to two months imprisonment or a fine of 50 thousand to five hundred rials," states Article 638 of Iran's Islamic Penal Code."

Wouldn't it be a great gesture on the part of Omar to stand in Congress an remove her hijab and declare solidarity with her Iranian 'sisters?' Why doesn't she do this? Until she takes off that symbol of religious oppression of people and especially women I do not consider her part of America. Nor do a lot of people. Next election cycle she'll crash and burn if she doesn't change.

Did you notice how you said Muslim women and your examples are in Iran while there are 56 Muslim majority countries? How wide is your paint brush ?

 

[Issa]

Dress like an American? Like a Navajo, Apache, Amish, catholic nun, or like what exactly?

None of those groups include patriarchal-rule of women to dress a certain way. In fact, some Muslim women have been punished for taking them off.

Iranian woman gets 20-year punishment for publicly taking off hijab

"Iranian woman gets 20-year punishment for publicly taking off hijab

Since December 2017, more than 30 Iranian women have been arrested by authorities for removing their veils in public."

"Women, who appear in public places and roads without wearing an Islamic hijab shall be sentenced to ten days to two months imprisonment or a fine of 50 thousand to five hundred rials," states Article 638 of Iran's Islamic Penal Code."

Wouldn't it be a great gesture on the part of Omar to stand in Congress an remove her hijab and declare solidarity with her Iranian 'sisters?' Why doesn't she do this? Until she takes off that symbol of religious oppression of people and especially women I do not consider her part of America. Nor do a lot of people. Next election cycle she'll crash and burn if she doesn't change.

I guess he's been in this country for such a short time he can't figure out what American women dress like.

Nude? Like Melania ?

 

[Issa]

Dress like an American? Like a Navajo, Apache, Amish, catholic nun, or like what exactly?

None of those groups include patriarchal-rule of women to dress a certain way. In fact, some Muslim women have been punished for taking them off.

Iranian woman gets 20-year punishment for publicly taking off hijab

"Iranian woman gets 20-year punishment for publicly taking off hijab

Since December 2017, more than 30 Iranian women have been arrested by authorities for removing their veils in public."

"Women, who appear in public places and roads without wearing an Islamic hijab shall be sentenced to ten days to two months imprisonment or a fine of 50 thousand to five hundred rials," states Article 638 of Iran's Islamic Penal Code."

Wouldn't it be a great gesture on the part of Omar to stand in Congress an remove her hijab and declare solidarity with her Iranian 'sisters?' Why doesn't she do this? Until she takes off that symbol of religious oppression of people and especially women I do not consider her part of America. Nor do a lot of people. Next election cycle she'll crash and burn if she doesn't change.

I guess he's been in this country for such a short time he can't figure out what American women dress like.

Maybe he likes 'em in those 'beekeeper' get ups.

Like them or not women have the ultimate right to be nude as Melania and sell their bodies for the money or cover up and be modest, it is their ultimate choice.

 

[danielpalos]

Dude I bet you cant even point where Iraq is...the whole entire world knows and recognize that the Iraq invasion was illegitimate and even the orange admitted that...and you are arguing with your own stupid unfounded stories.

1. You would lose that bet, asshole.

2. THe rest of the world, is too used to being able to take America for granted. No serious adult person could think that removing Saddam was illegitimate.

3. Not sure why you keep referencing Trump. Unless you are putting him forth as an Authority Figure who's wisdom should be deferred to?

Saddam was a bad Nazi. The United States still did war crimes in Iraq.
Haditha massacre - Wikipedia
Mahmudiyah rape and killings - Wikipedia

You don't have the credibility for me to click on a link. YOu have a point to make, make it, concisely as you can.


What is your point with that post? Just to smear America?

There is no express immigration clause, right wingers. It is about being faithful to our express supreme law of the land.

Your heart belongs to Mexico. It is morally wrong of you to swear a false allegiance to America.

lol. we know where the mountains of the True caucasians are.

 

[Correll]

1. You would lose that bet, asshole.

2. THe rest of the world, is too used to being able to take America for granted. No serious adult person could think that removing Saddam was illegitimate.

3. Not sure why you keep referencing Trump. Unless you are putting him forth as an Authority Figure who's wisdom should be deferred to?

Saddam was a bad Nazi. The United States still did war crimes in Iraq.
Haditha massacre - Wikipedia
Mahmudiyah rape and killings - Wikipedia

You don't have the credibility for me to click on a link. YOu have a point to make, make it, concisely as you can.


What is your point with that post? Just to smear America?

There is no express immigration clause, right wingers. It is about being faithful to our express supreme law of the land.

Your heart belongs to Mexico. It is morally wrong of you to swear a false allegiance to America.

lol. we know where the mountains of the True caucasians are.

Your gibberish is noted.


My point stands. Your loyalty is to Mexico, not America.

 

[danielpalos]

Saddam was a bad Nazi. The United States still did war crimes in Iraq.
Haditha massacre - Wikipedia
Mahmudiyah rape and killings - Wikipedia

You don't have the credibility for me to click on a link. YOu have a point to make, make it, concisely as you can.


What is your point with that post? Just to smear America?

There is no express immigration clause, right wingers. It is about being faithful to our express supreme law of the land.

Your heart belongs to Mexico. It is morally wrong of you to swear a false allegiance to America.

lol. we know where the mountains of the True caucasians are.

Your gibberish is noted.


My point stands. Your loyalty is to Mexico, not America.

you have to be a True caucasian for me to believe you.

 

[Dana7360]

Let's also remember.......this is Trump. Trump says he is "considering" many things but then never actually does something. He knows how to pull these strings.

Yep, the nut job has nothing else to do but throw shit out and get his base riled up and then pull back disappointing the suck asses once again.

It's the same thing he did in 2018. He said he would change the 14th amendment by executive order and got his "base" all riled up about it.

It's a year later. No executive order.

He made this latest declaration a week ago.

No executive order.

trump lies constantly. He just says things he knows his base will lap up and beg for more even though it's all lies. It seems to me they want the lies.

It's sick but the far right radical extremists love being lied to.

 

[Dana7360]

Wrong. Illegal Aliens are not Subject to US Jurisdiction. This is why they can be deported simply for missing a Court date.
It's why they can be held in detention simply because they are here.

The Constitution defines that. ie: Subject to the Jusrisdiction.

Wrong.

The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies birthright citizenship - interpretation and misinterpretation - US Constitution

The whole Anchor Baby Myth was created by The Democrat Party who have implemented a long term strategy of importing illegal immigrants in to their states and districts to bolster their populations, falsely acquire a larger share of Federal Dollars, and Game The System and gather to themselves an unfair share of Representatives in Congress.

The 14th Amendment was written to stop The Southern Democrat States from Discriminating against The Children of their Former Slaves and declared them US Citizens via The Constitution so that they could not be denied their rights by The Bigoted Democrat Party.

Which is why Trump should make an executive order about no more anchor babies and let the left push it to the Supreme.

The left never cared about the country, the left only cares about the left. At this very moment, China or some terrorist organization sent pregnant women here to have babies that become automatic citizens. They take those women and babies back and will raise the baby to adulthood with their radicalization. Then when they turn of age, they can walk into our country with no questions asked because they are technically Americans.

Birther Tourism is a real threat to the future of this country, but do you think one Democrat cares that we are creating more problems for this country, and quite possibly the next 911 attackers? Of course not. All they care about is power; power they can get from foreigners in this country legal or not.

Baron Trump is an anchor baby . Such a shame he will have to go back to his moms shithole country .

Not just baron but trump jr is also an anchor baby. Ivanna wasn't a citizen when trump jr was born,.

So if trump and the far right radical extremists have their way two of the trump children wouldn't be citizens of the United States. Both would be citizens of former soviet block nations.

 

[pknopp]

The Constitution defines that. ie: Subject to the Jusrisdiction.

Wrong.

The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies birthright citizenship - interpretation and misinterpretation - US Constitution

The whole Anchor Baby Myth was created by The Democrat Party who have implemented a long term strategy of importing illegal immigrants in to their states and districts to bolster their populations, falsely acquire a larger share of Federal Dollars, and Game The System and gather to themselves an unfair share of Representatives in Congress.

The 14th Amendment was written to stop The Southern Democrat States from Discriminating against The Children of their Former Slaves and declared them US Citizens via The Constitution so that they could not be denied their rights by The Bigoted Democrat Party.

Which is why Trump should make an executive order about no more anchor babies and let the left push it to the Supreme.

The left never cared about the country, the left only cares about the left. At this very moment, China or some terrorist organization sent pregnant women here to have babies that become automatic citizens. They take those women and babies back and will raise the baby to adulthood with their radicalization. Then when they turn of age, they can walk into our country with no questions asked because they are technically Americans.

Birther Tourism is a real threat to the future of this country, but do you think one Democrat cares that we are creating more problems for this country, and quite possibly the next 911 attackers? Of course not. All they care about is power; power they can get from foreigners in this country legal or not.

Baron Trump is an anchor baby . Such a shame he will have to go back to his moms shithole country .

Not just baron but trump jr is also an anchor baby. Ivanna wasn't a citizen when trump jr was born,.

So if trump and the far right radical extremists have their way two of the trump children wouldn't be citizens of the United States. Both would be citizens of former soviet block nations.

Trump's wives......doing the job American's won't do.

 

[Dana7360]

It's the next step in making America great again. Birthright Citizenship refers to Citizen parents, not Illegals. The 14th Amendment was only created for slaves after the civil war. It was not created for foreigners. Let's hear from the man who wrote the Citizenship clause himself, Senator John Jacob Howard:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.



President Trump Says He Is Still "Looking Seriously" at Ending Birthright Citizenship

I can see granting US citizenship only to children who have one parent living here LEGALLY. That is easy enough to prove. However, using a term as fuzzy as "foreigners" is never going to cut it. By law, immigrants who WANT to become citizens must live in the US FIVE YEARS before applying for naturalization. They are foreigners who plan to become citizens and of course want their children to be, as well, since they will be raised here.

I agree that Chinese women who travel here on a tourist visa to have a baby and then fly back to China with a US citizen child is BULLSHIT. So is granting citizenship to the children of two illegals living in the US. The illegal shit has got to stop. I agree with that.

Trump has to be careful how that is done, though, in order to be fair. And I don't believe Trump can change that himself; it is written in law and needs to be changed by Congress, doesn't it?

Congress can't amend the constitution alone. They can pass all the changes to the constitution they want, the president can sign it. It's no more an amendment to the constitution than wallpaper.

The process to amend the constitution isn't easy. It requires a super majority of two thirds of both chambers of congress, the signature of the president AND three fourths of the states to ratify it.

It's article V of the constitution.

 

[Dana7360]

It's the next step in making America great again. Birthright Citizenship refers to Citizen parents, not Illegals. The 14th Amendment was only created for slaves after the civil war. It was not created for foreigners. Let's hear from the man who wrote the Citizenship clause himself, Senator John Jacob Howard:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.



President Trump Says He Is Still "Looking Seriously" at Ending Birthright Citizenship

You're so stupid.

You fell for this lie in the 2018 election.

You're buying this lie again.

trump can't do anything about the 14th Amendment.

trump is making a total fool of you and everyone like you.

I haven't fallen for anything. The Constitution and Case law backs Trump on ending Birthright Citizenship.

Ok so trump told you in 2018 that he was going to change the 14th amendment.

There was no change. No executive order. No court case. Nothing has been done.

trump made this announcement a week ago. No executive order. No court case. No change. Nothing has been done or even debated.

All trump is doing is lying to you.

The constitution and case law doesn't back trump or you. Just saying it doesn't make it true. If the constitution and case law doesn't back up birth right citizenship then why is it still law of the land? If the constitution and case law doesn't support it the case law rulings would have made birth right citizenship illegal.

Why do you think that just saying something makes it true?

Where in the 14th amendment does it say those who are born in the United States aren't citizens by birth? What court case law says those who are born in the United States aren't citizens by birth?

Here's the exact text of the amendment. The very first sentence of that amendment says that anyone born here is a citizen. Plain English for anyone who is an American understands. There are no words of slaves or anyone's skin color so don't bring that up because there is no wording in that regard. It was written for all Americans.

I have never believed you're an American. I have always believed you're a russian. In russia working from one of the bot installations to throw the 2020 election to trump and create hate and division in our nation. You fit the profile exactly.

Either that or you like to lie or live in a very strange fantasy world.

Text of the 14th Amendment.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.[1]

 

[The Original Tree]

The Constitution defines that. ie: Subject to the Jusrisdiction.

Wrong.

The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies birthright citizenship - interpretation and misinterpretation - US Constitution

The whole Anchor Baby Myth was created by The Democrat Party who have implemented a long term strategy of importing illegal immigrants in to their states and districts to bolster their populations, falsely acquire a larger share of Federal Dollars, and Game The System and gather to themselves an unfair share of Representatives in Congress.

The 14th Amendment was written to stop The Southern Democrat States from Discriminating against The Children of their Former Slaves and declared them US Citizens via The Constitution so that they could not be denied their rights by The Bigoted Democrat Party.

Which is why Trump should make an executive order about no more anchor babies and let the left push it to the Supreme.

The left never cared about the country, the left only cares about the left. At this very moment, China or some terrorist organization sent pregnant women here to have babies that become automatic citizens. They take those women and babies back and will raise the baby to adulthood with their radicalization. Then when they turn of age, they can walk into our country with no questions asked because they are technically Americans.

Birther Tourism is a real threat to the future of this country, but do you think one Democrat cares that we are creating more problems for this country, and quite possibly the next 911 attackers? Of course not. All they care about is power; power they can get from foreigners in this country legal or not.

Baron Trump is an anchor baby . Such a shame he will have to go back to his moms shithole country .

Not just baron but trump jr is also an anchor baby. Ivanna wasn't a citizen when trump jr was born,.

So if trump and the far right radical extremists have their way two of the trump children wouldn't be citizens of the United States. Both would be citizens of former soviet block nations.

But the Father was dummy. And in that case, The US has jurisdiction in the matter of citizenship.

 

[The Original Tree]

It's the next step in making America great again. Birthright Citizenship refers to Citizen parents, not Illegals. The 14th Amendment was only created for slaves after the civil war. It was not created for foreigners. Let's hear from the man who wrote the Citizenship clause himself, Senator John Jacob Howard:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.



President Trump Says He Is Still "Looking Seriously" at Ending Birthright Citizenship

You're so stupid.

You fell for this lie in the 2018 election.

You're buying this lie again.

trump can't do anything about the 14th Amendment.

trump is making a total fool of you and everyone like you.

I haven't fallen for anything. The Constitution and Case law backs Trump on ending Birthright Citizenship.

Ok so trump told you in 2018 that he was going to change the 14th amendment.

There was no change. No executive order. No court case. Nothing has been done.

trump made this announcement a week ago. No executive order. No court case. No change. Nothing has been done or even debated.

All trump is doing is lying to you.

The constitution and case law doesn't back trump or you. Just saying it doesn't make it true. If the constitution and case law doesn't back up birth right citizenship then why is it still law of the land? If the constitution and case law doesn't support it the case law rulings would have made birth right citizenship illegal.

Why do you think that just saying something makes it true?

Where in the 14th amendment does it say those who are born in the United States aren't citizens by birth? What court case law says those who are born in the United States aren't citizens by birth?

Here's the exact text of the amendment. The very first sentence of that amendment says that anyone born here is a citizen. Plain English for anyone who is an American understands. There are no words of slaves or anyone's skin color so don't bring that up because there is no wording in that regard. It was written for all Americans.

I have never believed you're an American. I have always believed you're a russian. In russia working from one of the bot installations to throw the 2020 election to trump and create hate and division in our nation. You fit the profile exactly.

Either that or you like to lie or live in a very strange fantasy world.

Text of the 14th Amendment.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.[1]

SUBJECT TO JURISDICTION

Means you have to have LEGAL STATUS in THE US

 

[pknopp]

It's the next step in making America great again. Birthright Citizenship refers to Citizen parents, not Illegals. The 14th Amendment was only created for slaves after the civil war. It was not created for foreigners. Let's hear from the man who wrote the Citizenship clause himself, Senator John Jacob Howard:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.



President Trump Says He Is Still "Looking Seriously" at Ending Birthright Citizenship

You're so stupid.

You fell for this lie in the 2018 election.

You're buying this lie again.

trump can't do anything about the 14th Amendment.

trump is making a total fool of you and everyone like you.

I haven't fallen for anything. The Constitution and Case law backs Trump on ending Birthright Citizenship.

Ok so trump told you in 2018 that he was going to change the 14th amendment.

There was no change. No executive order. No court case. Nothing has been done.

trump made this announcement a week ago. No executive order. No court case. No change. Nothing has been done or even debated.

All trump is doing is lying to you.

The constitution and case law doesn't back trump or you. Just saying it doesn't make it true. If the constitution and case law doesn't back up birth right citizenship then why is it still law of the land? If the constitution and case law doesn't support it the case law rulings would have made birth right citizenship illegal.

Why do you think that just saying something makes it true?

Where in the 14th amendment does it say those who are born in the United States aren't citizens by birth? What court case law says those who are born in the United States aren't citizens by birth?

Here's the exact text of the amendment. The very first sentence of that amendment says that anyone born here is a citizen. Plain English for anyone who is an American understands. There are no words of slaves or anyone's skin color so don't bring that up because there is no wording in that regard. It was written for all Americans.

I have never believed you're an American. I have always believed you're a russian. In russia working from one of the bot installations to throw the 2020 election to trump and create hate and division in our nation. You fit the profile exactly.

Either that or you like to lie or live in a very strange fantasy world.

Text of the 14th Amendment.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.[1]

SUBJECT TO JURISDICTION

Means you have to have LEGAL STATUS in THE US

No it doesn't.

 

[Leo123]

Did you notice how you said Muslim women and your examples are in Iran while there are 56 Muslim majority countries? How wide is your paint brush ?

So what? Some women around the world don't count? What kind of hateful crap is that? These poor women around the world are being abused and punished for the simple reason of not wanting to wear what their husbands' religion decrees. Instead of bleating about her hatred of Israel and America maybe she could use her platform for protesting and maybe even reforming Islam.

 

[The Original Tree]

It's the next step in making America great again. Birthright Citizenship refers to Citizen parents, not Illegals. The 14th Amendment was only created for slaves after the civil war. It was not created for foreigners. Let's hear from the man who wrote the Citizenship clause himself, Senator John Jacob Howard:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.



President Trump Says He Is Still "Looking Seriously" at Ending Birthright Citizenship

You're so stupid.

You fell for this lie in the 2018 election.

You're buying this lie again.

trump can't do anything about the 14th Amendment.

trump is making a total fool of you and everyone like you.

I haven't fallen for anything. The Constitution and Case law backs Trump on ending Birthright Citizenship.

Ok so trump told you in 2018 that he was going to change the 14th amendment.

There was no change. No executive order. No court case. Nothing has been done.

trump made this announcement a week ago. No executive order. No court case. No change. Nothing has been done or even debated.

All trump is doing is lying to you.

The constitution and case law doesn't back trump or you. Just saying it doesn't make it true. If the constitution and case law doesn't back up birth right citizenship then why is it still law of the land? If the constitution and case law doesn't support it the case law rulings would have made birth right citizenship illegal.

Why do you think that just saying something makes it true?

Where in the 14th amendment does it say those who are born in the United States aren't citizens by birth? What court case law says those who are born in the United States aren't citizens by birth?

Here's the exact text of the amendment. The very first sentence of that amendment says that anyone born here is a citizen. Plain English for anyone who is an American understands. There are no words of slaves or anyone's skin color so don't bring that up because there is no wording in that regard. It was written for all Americans.

I have never believed you're an American. I have always believed you're a russian. In russia working from one of the bot installations to throw the 2020 election to trump and create hate and division in our nation. You fit the profile exactly.

Either that or you like to lie or live in a very strange fantasy world.

Text of the 14th Amendment.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.[1]

SUBJECT TO JURISDICTION

Means you have to have LEGAL STATUS in THE US

No it doesn't.

Yes it does, Liar.

The 14th was written to stop Southern Democrats from Denying The Rights of Citizenship to The Children of Their Former Slaves.

Emancipated Slaves or Free Slaves, now called Freemen came under The Jurisdiction of The US Legal System.

Prior to that, they were treated as property in The South and had No Civil Rights in a Court of Law.

Their Children when born became US Citizens No Matter what The Southern Democrats did to try to discriminate against them.

The 14th ensured that The Children of Former Slaves were now US Citizens and this could be enforced via Federal Law.

The Democrats were powerless to stop the children of Freemen from claiming the rights of US Citizenship after the passage of the 14th.

 

[Leo123]

Like them or not women have the ultimate right to be nude as Melania and sell their bodies for the money or cover up and be modest, it is their ultimate choice.

You seem to be really bad at reading and comprehending or, attempting to pivot and obfuscate. (maybe both)

My whole point is that Omar should stand up for women who have NO RIGHTS! If Omar has a 'choice' they why doesn't she remove that symbol of women's oppression and promote FREE CHOICE of Muslim women?