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With that said, I am a huge fan of the "penny plan" to address our debt...Government is bloated, and needs to at this point learn to tighten their belts....I have to do it, you have to do it....Why shouldn't they...
sure you did, in that post. you said it was immoral to add more than a trillion dollars, why didn't you say so when obammy did it? seems you are immoral because you have no consistency with respect to the law. therefore you believe your opinion rules. well, knock knock, nope!when did your opinion become law? explain.Well Gator, wonderful story for you, and thank you for serving, from one vet to another. Now as for the story, all of these were your choices....And choices that puts you squarely in the crosshairs of the government declaring that YOU need to pony up more...Now, none of us are getting any younger, and my thoughts are that you are, like myself, headed toward retirement...Tell me why the government needs my hard earned money, more than I do in my retirement?
Well, I never said the government needs your money more than you do, but I will address your comments anyhow.
I believe two things in this matter...
1. It is immoral to be adding more than a trillion dollars a year to the national debt during a booming economy. I do not know if you have children or not, but I do and I think it is wrong they will have to pay for our excesses. Since we do not have a major party that will cut spending, I think it is our moral obligation to pay for what we spend. I do not want to pay any more in taxes than I do, trust me. I have basically zero deductions as I do not run my own business and I have only one child left to count as a dependent. The check I send to the IRS every April is growing each year and I am not thrilled about, but I am even less thrilled with fucking over my kids and grandkids. It is my belief that if everyone had to pay enough to cover our spending for even one year that there would be an outcry for spending cuts.
2. I also believe that the tax code should not be used for social engineering, just to raise funds to fund the government. I would love to see a flat tax across the board with zero credits or deductions. I have less issue with those better off paying a higher percent in taxes than I do with someone making the same as me getting to pay less because they might have a mortgage or more kids at home or any of 10000 other hoops the government has people jump through to get to pay less taxes.
oh and a third thing...thank you for your service!
Perfect answer, end thread. Exactly what I have been advocating this whole time!
. Thank you for doing it in a much more concise way than I as well.
Never said it did, explain!!!
With that said, I am a huge fan of the "penny plan" to address our debt...Government is bloated, and needs to at this point learn to tighten their belts....I have to do it, you have to do it....Why shouldn't they...
Why? Because then they'd lose their job.
It's not so much government is bloated, it's that the citizens are too comfortable to make any changes. If politicians start cutting this and cutting that to reduce the deficit, and eventually the debt, it means we all will have to do with less things from the government. People would get pissed, hold their representatives responsible, and then get voted out next election.
The check I send to the IRS every April is growing each year and I am not thrilled about, but I am even less thrilled with fucking over my kids and grandkids. It is my belief that if everyone had to pay enough to cover our spending for even one year that there would be an outcry for spending cuts.
With that said, I am a huge fan of the "penny plan" to address our debt...Government is bloated, and needs to at this point learn to tighten their belts....I have to do it, you have to do it....Why shouldn't they...
Why? Because then they'd lose their job.
It's not so much government is bloated, it's that the citizens are too comfortable to make any changes. If politicians start cutting this and cutting that to reduce the deficit, and eventually the debt, it means we all will have to do with less things from the government. People would get pissed, hold their representatives responsible, and then get voted out next election.
While I can agree with you Ray that 'we the people' have gotten used to voting ourselves largesse from the treasury, our politicians who make the laws have to be accountable...That is why the Penny Plan makes so much sense...Only in DC is not approving an increase in spending marketed to the people as a cut. What I am saying is that if every budget stays the same except for .01 cent per dollar is cut, the programs will continue on while we balance our budget, and at some point start paying down debt...I see that as a win, win....
With that said, I am a huge fan of the "penny plan" to address our debt...Government is bloated, and needs to at this point learn to tighten their belts....I have to do it, you have to do it....Why shouldn't they...
Why? Because then they'd lose their job.
It's not so much government is bloated, it's that the citizens are too comfortable to make any changes. If politicians start cutting this and cutting that to reduce the deficit, and eventually the debt, it means we all will have to do with less things from the government. People would get pissed, hold their representatives responsible, and then get voted out next election.
While I can agree with you Ray that 'we the people' have gotten used to voting ourselves largesse from the treasury, our politicians who make the laws have to be accountable...That is why the Penny Plan makes so much sense...Only in DC is not approving an increase in spending marketed to the people as a cut. What I am saying is that if every budget stays the same except for .01 cent per dollar is cut, the programs will continue on while we balance our budget, and at some point start paying down debt...I see that as a win, win....
It still would require major spending cuts. To put it better, let me reiterate something economist Walter E Williams came up with:
"I am running for an office in Congress. My platform is, I will not bring any money back to my state. I will vote against all spending bills. Would you vote for me?"
Well, I'm not even close to rich and never will be, however, I believe that the rich should pay no more percentage than lower income citizens. If taxes were say, 10% of your gross income and you made $10,000 for the year, you'd pay $1,000. If you made, $1,000,000, you'd pay $100,000. You paid more than the low income earner and thus a fair share, more than the lower income earner. Making the rich pay larger percentages than your average citizen is basically penalizing them for being successful. Why would you want to invent and create if you would only be penalized for doing so.WASHINGTON/NEW YORK (Reuters) - The idea of imposing a wealth tax on the richest Americans has elicited sharply divergent views across a spectrum of politicians, with President Donald Trump branding it socialist and progressive Democratic presidential contenders Senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders prominently endorsing it.
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Among the 4,441 respondents to the poll, 64% strongly or somewhat agreed that “the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs” - the essence of a wealth tax. Results were similar across gender, race and household income. While support among Democrats was stronger, at 77%, a majority of Republicans, 53%, also agreed with the idea.
Majority of Americans favor wealth tax on very rich: Reuters/Ipsos poll
If this is true, then the experiment called the United States of America as we know it is done....
A good example are Communist and strict Socialist nations. There is no incentive, thus they send spies out to the west to steal technology and once stealing it, use it and/or adapt it for their use. Once this nation goes backwards and becomes a strict Socialist or Communist nation, all incentive and technological improvements decline.
With that said, I am a huge fan of the "penny plan" to address our debt...Government is bloated, and needs to at this point learn to tighten their belts....I have to do it, you have to do it....Why shouldn't they...
Why? Because then they'd lose their job.
It's not so much government is bloated, it's that the citizens are too comfortable to make any changes. If politicians start cutting this and cutting that to reduce the deficit, and eventually the debt, it means we all will have to do with less things from the government. People would get pissed, hold their representatives responsible, and then get voted out next election.
While I can agree with you Ray that 'we the people' have gotten used to voting ourselves largesse from the treasury, our politicians who make the laws have to be accountable...That is why the Penny Plan makes so much sense...Only in DC is not approving an increase in spending marketed to the people as a cut. What I am saying is that if every budget stays the same except for .01 cent per dollar is cut, the programs will continue on while we balance our budget, and at some point start paying down debt...I see that as a win, win....
It still would require major spending cuts. To put it better, let me reiterate something economist Walter E Williams came up with:
"I am running for an office in Congress. My platform is, I will not bring any money back to my state. I will vote against all spending bills. Would you vote for me?"
We are going to get there sooner or later are we not? Now I love Mr. Williams...he is spot on with everything he says...But we have to change attitudes, and we don't do that by saying 'it's not possible', and giving up.
With that said, I am a huge fan of the "penny plan" to address our debt...Government is bloated, and needs to at this point learn to tighten their belts....I have to do it, you have to do it....Why shouldn't they...
Why? Because then they'd lose their job.
It's not so much government is bloated, it's that the citizens are too comfortable to make any changes. If politicians start cutting this and cutting that to reduce the deficit, and eventually the debt, it means we all will have to do with less things from the government. People would get pissed, hold their representatives responsible, and then get voted out next election.
While I can agree with you Ray that 'we the people' have gotten used to voting ourselves largesse from the treasury, our politicians who make the laws have to be accountable...That is why the Penny Plan makes so much sense...Only in DC is not approving an increase in spending marketed to the people as a cut. What I am saying is that if every budget stays the same except for .01 cent per dollar is cut, the programs will continue on while we balance our budget, and at some point start paying down debt...I see that as a win, win....
It still would require major spending cuts. To put it better, let me reiterate something economist Walter E Williams came up with:
"I am running for an office in Congress. My platform is, I will not bring any money back to my state. I will vote against all spending bills. Would you vote for me?"
We are going to get there sooner or later are we not? Now I love Mr. Williams...he is spot on with everything he says...But we have to change attitudes, and we don't do that by saying 'it's not possible', and giving up.
Agreed. That's why I wrote the solution in my response to Gator. A consumption tax to eliminate the deficit and reduce the debt would make everybody aware. Currently, only a small part of our country is aware of the problem, and a smaller amount even care. Hell, I'm almost 60 now. I'll likely be long off this earth when our country collapses. Why should I care? But if I had to pay for this debt every time I make a purchase, and pay even more for new social spending, you bet I'd care. You bet I would be going to the polls to make sure new spending politicians don't get into power.
fk dude, 47% of the country pays no money to the debt. how fking stupid is that? We have the stupidest folks representing our districts. By the way, we took in around 3.4 trillion in revenue last year, the spending is more than that amount. I'm not claiming to be a rocket scientist, but, anything over that amount means deficit. How about fking saying to the folks in congress, fk off and balance the budget?With that said, I am a huge fan of the "penny plan" to address our debt...Government is bloated, and needs to at this point learn to tighten their belts....I have to do it, you have to do it....Why shouldn't they...
Why? Because then they'd lose their job.
It's not so much government is bloated, it's that the citizens are too comfortable to make any changes. If politicians start cutting this and cutting that to reduce the deficit, and eventually the debt, it means we all will have to do with less things from the government. People would get pissed, hold their representatives responsible, and then get voted out next election.
While I can agree with you Ray that 'we the people' have gotten used to voting ourselves largesse from the treasury, our politicians who make the laws have to be accountable...That is why the Penny Plan makes so much sense...Only in DC is not approving an increase in spending marketed to the people as a cut. What I am saying is that if every budget stays the same except for .01 cent per dollar is cut, the programs will continue on while we balance our budget, and at some point start paying down debt...I see that as a win, win....
It still would require major spending cuts. To put it better, let me reiterate something economist Walter E Williams came up with:
"I am running for an office in Congress. My platform is, I will not bring any money back to my state. I will vote against all spending bills. Would you vote for me?"
We are going to get there sooner or later are we not? Now I love Mr. Williams...he is spot on with everything he says...But we have to change attitudes, and we don't do that by saying 'it's not possible', and giving up.
Agreed. That's why I wrote the solution in my response to Gator. A consumption tax to eliminate the deficit and reduce the debt would make everybody aware. Currently, only a small part of our country is aware of the problem, and a smaller amount even care. Hell, I'm almost 60 now. I'll likely be long off this earth when our country collapses. Why should I care? But if I had to pay for this debt every time I make a purchase, and pay even more for new social spending, you bet I'd care. You bet I would be going to the polls to make sure new spending politicians don't get into power.
The check I send to the IRS every April is growing each year and I am not thrilled about, but I am even less thrilled with fucking over my kids and grandkids. It is my belief that if everyone had to pay enough to cover our spending for even one year that there would be an outcry for spending cuts.
Here's the problem: We have a tax code where most don't even see the problem. The rich pay for most all of our expenditures, and the rest gets dumped into the debt wagon where most people don't care because it doesn't affect them directly.
Solution: A consumption tax for deficit and debt reduction. You want a war? Then our federal consumption tax goes from ten cents on a dollar to eleven cents. You want free college? Then the federal consumption tax goes from ten cents to eleven. You want government healthcare? Then the consumption tax goes from ten cents on the dollar to twenty cents. You want all three, then the consumption tax goes from ten cents on the dollar to twenty-two cents.
If everybody had to pay for this deficit, debt, and new spending today, you'd see how fast they'd become fiscally conservative. That would protect your kids and grandchildren.
The check I send to the IRS every April is growing each year and I am not thrilled about, but I am even less thrilled with fucking over my kids and grandkids. It is my belief that if everyone had to pay enough to cover our spending for even one year that there would be an outcry for spending cuts.
Here's the problem: We have a tax code where most don't even see the problem. The rich pay for most all of our expenditures, and the rest gets dumped into the debt wagon where most people don't care because it doesn't affect them directly.
Solution: A consumption tax for deficit and debt reduction. You want a war? Then our federal consumption tax goes from ten cents on a dollar to eleven cents. You want free college? Then the federal consumption tax goes from ten cents to eleven. You want government healthcare? Then the consumption tax goes from ten cents on the dollar to twenty cents. You want all three, then the consumption tax goes from ten cents on the dollar to twenty-two cents.
If everybody had to pay for this deficit, debt, and new spending today, you'd see how fast they'd become fiscally conservative. That would protect your kids and grandchildren.
Is that different than waht I said in this....It is my belief that if everyone had to pay enough to cover our spending for even one year that there would be an outcry for spending cuts.
fk dude, 47% of the country pays no money to the debt. how fking stupid is that? We have the stupidest folks representing our districts. By the way, we took in around 3.4 trillion in revenue last year, the spending is more than that amount. I'm not claiming to be a rocket scientist, but, anything over that amount means deficit. How about fking saying to the folks in congress, fk off and balance the budget?Why? Because then they'd lose their job.
It's not so much government is bloated, it's that the citizens are too comfortable to make any changes. If politicians start cutting this and cutting that to reduce the deficit, and eventually the debt, it means we all will have to do with less things from the government. People would get pissed, hold their representatives responsible, and then get voted out next election.
While I can agree with you Ray that 'we the people' have gotten used to voting ourselves largesse from the treasury, our politicians who make the laws have to be accountable...That is why the Penny Plan makes so much sense...Only in DC is not approving an increase in spending marketed to the people as a cut. What I am saying is that if every budget stays the same except for .01 cent per dollar is cut, the programs will continue on while we balance our budget, and at some point start paying down debt...I see that as a win, win....
It still would require major spending cuts. To put it better, let me reiterate something economist Walter E Williams came up with:
"I am running for an office in Congress. My platform is, I will not bring any money back to my state. I will vote against all spending bills. Would you vote for me?"
We are going to get there sooner or later are we not? Now I love Mr. Williams...he is spot on with everything he says...But we have to change attitudes, and we don't do that by saying 'it's not possible', and giving up.
Agreed. That's why I wrote the solution in my response to Gator. A consumption tax to eliminate the deficit and reduce the debt would make everybody aware. Currently, only a small part of our country is aware of the problem, and a smaller amount even care. Hell, I'm almost 60 now. I'll likely be long off this earth when our country collapses. Why should I care? But if I had to pay for this debt every time I make a purchase, and pay even more for new social spending, you bet I'd care. You bet I would be going to the polls to make sure new spending politicians don't get into power.
Why? Because then they'd lose their job.
It's not so much government is bloated, it's that the citizens are too comfortable to make any changes. If politicians start cutting this and cutting that to reduce the deficit, and eventually the debt, it means we all will have to do with less things from the government. People would get pissed, hold their representatives responsible, and then get voted out next election.
While I can agree with you Ray that 'we the people' have gotten used to voting ourselves largesse from the treasury, our politicians who make the laws have to be accountable...That is why the Penny Plan makes so much sense...Only in DC is not approving an increase in spending marketed to the people as a cut. What I am saying is that if every budget stays the same except for .01 cent per dollar is cut, the programs will continue on while we balance our budget, and at some point start paying down debt...I see that as a win, win....
It still would require major spending cuts. To put it better, let me reiterate something economist Walter E Williams came up with:
"I am running for an office in Congress. My platform is, I will not bring any money back to my state. I will vote against all spending bills. Would you vote for me?"
We are going to get there sooner or later are we not? Now I love Mr. Williams...he is spot on with everything he says...But we have to change attitudes, and we don't do that by saying 'it's not possible', and giving up.
Agreed. That's why I wrote the solution in my response to Gator. A consumption tax to eliminate the deficit and reduce the debt would make everybody aware. Currently, only a small part of our country is aware of the problem, and a smaller amount even care. Hell, I'm almost 60 now. I'll likely be long off this earth when our country collapses. Why should I care? But if I had to pay for this debt every time I make a purchase, and pay even more for new social spending, you bet I'd care. You bet I would be going to the polls to make sure new spending politicians don't get into power.
So why do we need yet another new tax to do that?
But unless we did it my way, not everybody will pay. It would be politics as usual. Our tax system only taxes most of the people. Other people get away scott free for all cash transactions.
I said the same thing. sales tax is what I said. BTW, it is the fairest thing out there.The check I send to the IRS every April is growing each year and I am not thrilled about, but I am even less thrilled with fucking over my kids and grandkids. It is my belief that if everyone had to pay enough to cover our spending for even one year that there would be an outcry for spending cuts.
Here's the problem: We have a tax code where most don't even see the problem. The rich pay for most all of our expenditures, and the rest gets dumped into the debt wagon where most people don't care because it doesn't affect them directly.
Solution: A consumption tax for deficit and debt reduction. You want a war? Then our federal consumption tax goes from ten cents on a dollar to eleven cents. You want free college? Then the federal consumption tax goes from ten cents to eleven. You want government healthcare? Then the consumption tax goes from ten cents on the dollar to twenty cents. You want all three, then the consumption tax goes from ten cents on the dollar to twenty-two cents.
If everybody had to pay for this deficit, debt, and new spending today, you'd see how fast they'd become fiscally conservative. That would protect your kids and grandchildren.
Is that different than waht I said in this....It is my belief that if everyone had to pay enough to cover our spending for even one year that there would be an outcry for spending cuts.
But unless we did it my way, not everybody will pay. It would be politics as usual. Our tax system only taxes most of the people. Other people get away scott free for all cash transactions.
are you really going to say you didn't say 'it is immoral to be adding more than a trillion dollars'? Are you really that impure? wow, again, you have zero credibility then.sure you did, in that post. you said it was immoral to add more than a trillion dollars, why didn't you say so when obammy did it? seems you are immoral because you have no consistency with respect to the law. therefore you believe your opinion rules. well, knock knock, nope!when did your opinion become law? explain.Well, I never said the government needs your money more than you do, but I will address your comments anyhow.
I believe two things in this matter...
1. It is immoral to be adding more than a trillion dollars a year to the national debt during a booming economy. I do not know if you have children or not, but I do and I think it is wrong they will have to pay for our excesses. Since we do not have a major party that will cut spending, I think it is our moral obligation to pay for what we spend. I do not want to pay any more in taxes than I do, trust me. I have basically zero deductions as I do not run my own business and I have only one child left to count as a dependent. The check I send to the IRS every April is growing each year and I am not thrilled about, but I am even less thrilled with fucking over my kids and grandkids. It is my belief that if everyone had to pay enough to cover our spending for even one year that there would be an outcry for spending cuts.
2. I also believe that the tax code should not be used for social engineering, just to raise funds to fund the government. I would love to see a flat tax across the board with zero credits or deductions. I have less issue with those better off paying a higher percent in taxes than I do with someone making the same as me getting to pay less because they might have a mortgage or more kids at home or any of 10000 other hoops the government has people jump through to get to pay less taxes.
oh and a third thing...thank you for your service!
Perfect answer, end thread. Exactly what I have been advocating this whole time!
. Thank you for doing it in a much more concise way than I as well.
Never said it did, explain!!!
As usual ewe fucked up. I didn't say that try again.
Ewe really are a freaking tool. And not even a sharp one at that.
are you really going to say you didn't say 'it is immoral to be adding more than a trillion dollars'? Are you really that impure? wow, again, you have zero credibility then.sure you did, in that post. you said it was immoral to add more than a trillion dollars, why didn't you say so when obammy did it? seems you are immoral because you have no consistency with respect to the law. therefore you believe your opinion rules. well, knock knock, nope!when did your opinion become law? explain.Perfect answer, end thread. Exactly what I have been advocating this whole time!
. Thank you for doing it in a much more concise way than I as well.
Never said it did, explain!!!
As usual ewe fucked up. I didn't say that try again.
Ewe really are a freaking tool. And not even a sharp one at that.
fk dude, 47% of the country pays no money to the debt. how fking stupid is that? We have the stupidest folks representing our districts. By the way, we took in around 3.4 trillion in revenue last year, the spending is more than that amount. I'm not claiming to be a rocket scientist, but, anything over that amount means deficit. How about fking saying to the folks in congress, fk off and balance the budget?While I can agree with you Ray that 'we the people' have gotten used to voting ourselves largesse from the treasury, our politicians who make the laws have to be accountable...That is why the Penny Plan makes so much sense...Only in DC is not approving an increase in spending marketed to the people as a cut. What I am saying is that if every budget stays the same except for .01 cent per dollar is cut, the programs will continue on while we balance our budget, and at some point start paying down debt...I see that as a win, win....
It still would require major spending cuts. To put it better, let me reiterate something economist Walter E Williams came up with:
"I am running for an office in Congress. My platform is, I will not bring any money back to my state. I will vote against all spending bills. Would you vote for me?"
We are going to get there sooner or later are we not? Now I love Mr. Williams...he is spot on with everything he says...But we have to change attitudes, and we don't do that by saying 'it's not possible', and giving up.
Agreed. That's why I wrote the solution in my response to Gator. A consumption tax to eliminate the deficit and reduce the debt would make everybody aware. Currently, only a small part of our country is aware of the problem, and a smaller amount even care. Hell, I'm almost 60 now. I'll likely be long off this earth when our country collapses. Why should I care? But if I had to pay for this debt every time I make a purchase, and pay even more for new social spending, you bet I'd care. You bet I would be going to the polls to make sure new spending politicians don't get into power.
So look at our spending and tell me what you would cut. Social Security? Medicare? Welfare? What?
Tell me what could be cut that would satisfy both parties enough to pass it.
