Mail in voting - Democrats again the party of despotism

[BWK]

This is taking a simple and accurate method and turning it into an agenda fulfilling nightmare.
“Expert analysis of each signature” would take many many months.
Libs don’t want results from this election because they fear the result.

So what you're saying is that absentee balloting (which Republicans have used for years) is not valid?

That method has always been for a tiny minority and not the total voting public.

A tiny minority? Entire states vote exclusively by mail and have for years. In 2016 over 20% of all votes were cast by mail.

223K Clark County NV Mail Ballots Went to Wrong Addresses in 2020 Primary

County Returns: 17% of Clark County Voter Roll Shows Wrong Addresses

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/NV-2020-Primary-1P-1.pdf

That's fraud? Shit man! Get a clue.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ha, you forgot about the defunding process of the post office by Trump. Mail in will be a disaster if you defund and suppress the vote that way.

It will be a disaster regardless.

Defunding the post office by Trump to suppress the vote is disastrous for voters. That's the only disaster there is.

They lost $2.2 billion in the 2nd quarter, without hundreds of millions of ballots being sent out.

Has nothing to do with it. Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time. And now they will go in over drive with it. They knew a long time ago, that Covid would bring on mail- in -voting. They have to stop it to suppress the vote. There is no legitimate reason to defund an institution that has been successful for decades other than to suppress the vote and feed the corporate elites.

Has nothing to do with it. Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time.

Sneaky how they stopped Clinton and Obama from funding it for 16 years, eh?

They have to stop it to suppress the vote. There is no legitimate reason to defund an institution that has been successful for decades

I know!!! And with a 20% failure rate on recent election mailings, what could go wrong?

how they stopped Clinton and Obama from funding it for 16 years, eh?

Uff...
The Gov't doesnt fund the USPS at all, dope.
Not a dime of tax money goes there.

The Gov't doesnt fund the USPS at all, dope.
Not a dime of tax money goes there.

Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time.

You should tell that to the stupid twat who posted this ^

Do you ever get a fucking clue?


The Week Customer Service

OPINION
Donald Trump is destroying the Post Office

Ryan Cooper

The United States Postal Service has long been the most popular government agency. The last Gallup poll on the question found 74 percent of Americans rated it as excellent or good — as compared to 60 percent for NASA or 50 percent for the IRS. Despite years of cash trouble (mainly the fault of Congress), most people like their good old mail carrier. Indeed, as I have written, this country could not function without the USPS.So it should come as no surprise that President Trump is taking the agency apart. Jacob Bogage reports at The Washington Postthat the USPS is facing huge problems under Louis DeJoy, a big Trump donor who was recently appointed postmaster general. DeJoy supposedly wants it to run more like a business, and has implemented structural changes that have fouled up deliveries. It's yet another example of how Trump's authoritarian rot is dissolving the American state — and raising the possibility of interference with the 2020 election.

Let me start with some background. As noted, the USPS has struggled since 2006, when Congress and President Bush imposed absurd retirement benefit funding requirements in the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. As my colleague Jeff Spross writes, this required the agency to pre-fund its retiree health benefits over the next 75 years, and immediately knocked its budget into the red. As I have argued before, fully pre-funding even normal pensions is absurd for a permanent government agency, but this is even worse — requiring the USPS to sock money away for future employees who aren't even born yet.As a result, the collapse in ordinary mail volume thanks to the coronavirus pandemic landed on an agency that was already struggling to keep its head above water. More than half of its mail trucks are outdated Grumman Long Life Vehicle models, kept in service long past their planned retirement dates, and have an alarming habit of catching on fire. They also have no air conditioning — as a result, hundreds of mail carriers have suffered heat exhaustion over the last few years, and some have even died of heatstroke.Now, as the Post reports, the USPS has also seen a huge spike in demand for package delivery as people shop more online under quarantine, which has cushioned the blow somewhat. But the agency is still reeling, and now the Trump administration is making the problems worse. Congress authorized USPS to borrow $10 billion as part of a coronavirus relief package, but Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin is refusing to hand over the money until it turns over much of its operations to him. (This was not remotely stipulated in the law and is probably illegal.)Meanwhile, DeJoy is pushing a lot of business consultant mumbo-jumbo on the agency. He has limited overtime, instructed mail carriers to leave mail behind that will slow down their delivery routes, and required that they park no more than four times along their delivery routes. Trump, meanwhile, has demanded the USPS quadruple its rates on packages.MORE PERSPECTIVES
Does Biden's running mate really matter?
This betrays an alarming lack of understanding about what makes the USPS work. Its primary advantage is daily, inexpensive service to almost every house and business in the country. Efficiency is important, but reliability is even more so. People will not turn to it if their mail is randomly delayed or lost, which is liable to happen if it is left behind, much less if it costs four times what it currently does. Indeed, several cities are reporting severe problems with mail service of late. And limiting parking along the delivery route is simply bizarre — it could easily make the route take longer by forcing mail carriers to walk longer distances. (It sounds very much like the plutocrat knee-jerk belief that the way to improve efficiency is to abuse one's employees.)

It is hard to explain what is going on here. Part of it is surely the Republican hatred of public services of any kind. GOP dogma holds that government is bad by definition, and if there is a popular and successful agency, by God they will ruin it out of spite. Part of it is just the general

malicious incompetence that saturates every part of the Trump administration. Part of it probably has to do with Trump's feud with Jeff Bezos — he seems to think that by punishing the USPS he can hurt Amazon.

But it's also impossible not to notice that Trump has been screeching paranoid lies about voting by mail for the last few months, falsely portraying it as some kind of Democratic conspiracy to commit voter fraud. The pandemic will surely still be raging come November, and people will therefore want to vote by mail if they can. Indeed, the USPS is already warning people to submit their ballots early. Trump or his toadies may be calculating that Democrats are more likely to vote by mail, therefore ruining mail delivery might mean enough ballots are lost or unable to be delivered in time to tip the election to Trump.

If that were to happen, it would be straight-up election theft. However, it might actually boomerang on Trump and other Republican candidates, which have historically relied on mail-in ballots to drive turnout among their elderly voters. Trump's own campaign has a large absentee ballot operation, but Trump's howling has apparently made his crackpot base leery of mail-in voting themselves — missing the intended message that mail-in voting is fraud only when Democrats do it. And if the pandemic is bad enough, many older Republicans may not vote at all for fear of catching COVID-19.

Whatever the reason, it's just one more potential accelerating catastrophe to add to the pile caused by Trump's disastrous misrule. The U.S. could not possibly have become a rich country without the connective social tissue of efficient mail service. But it seems the president is determined to cause as much destruction on his way down as he can.

Thanks!

Your article that didn't mention defunding really backed up your claim about defunding.

Twat.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

This is taking a simple and accurate method and turning it into an agenda fulfilling nightmare.
“Expert analysis of each signature” would take many many months.
Libs don’t want results from this election because they fear the result.

So what you're saying is that absentee balloting (which Republicans have used for years) is not valid?

That method has always been for a tiny minority and not the total voting public.

A tiny minority? Entire states vote exclusively by mail and have for years. In 2016 over 20% of all votes were cast by mail.

223K Clark County NV Mail Ballots Went to Wrong Addresses in 2020 Primary

County Returns: 17% of Clark County Voter Roll Shows Wrong Addresses

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/NV-2020-Primary-1P-1.pdf

That's fraud? Shit man! Get a clue.

No, that's incompetence.

 

[BWK]

Ha, you forgot about the defunding process of the post office by Trump. Mail in will be a disaster if you defund and suppress the vote that way.

It will be a disaster regardless.

Defunding the post office by Trump to suppress the vote is disastrous for voters. That's the only disaster there is.

They lost $2.2 billion in the 2nd quarter, without hundreds of millions of ballots being sent out.

Has nothing to do with it. Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time. And now they will go in over drive with it. They knew a long time ago, that Covid would bring on mail- in -voting. They have to stop it to suppress the vote. There is no legitimate reason to defund an institution that has been successful for decades other than to suppress the vote and feed the corporate elites.

Has nothing to do with it. Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time.

Sneaky how they stopped Clinton and Obama from funding it for 16 years, eh?

They have to stop it to suppress the vote. There is no legitimate reason to defund an institution that has been successful for decades

I know!!! And with a 20% failure rate on recent election mailings, what could go wrong?

how they stopped Clinton and Obama from funding it for 16 years, eh?

Uff...
The Gov't doesnt fund the USPS at all, dope.
Not a dime of tax money goes there.

The Gov't doesnt fund the USPS at all, dope.
Not a dime of tax money goes there.

Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time.

You should tell that to the stupid twat who posted this ^

Do you ever get a fucking clue?


The Week Customer Service

OPINION
Donald Trump is destroying the Post Office

Ryan Cooper

The United States Postal Service has long been the most popular government agency. The last Gallup poll on the question found 74 percent of Americans rated it as excellent or good — as compared to 60 percent for NASA or 50 percent for the IRS. Despite years of cash trouble (mainly the fault of Congress), most people like their good old mail carrier. Indeed, as I have written, this country could not function without the USPS.So it should come as no surprise that President Trump is taking the agency apart. Jacob Bogage reports at The Washington Postthat the USPS is facing huge problems under Louis DeJoy, a big Trump donor who was recently appointed postmaster general. DeJoy supposedly wants it to run more like a business, and has implemented structural changes that have fouled up deliveries. It's yet another example of how Trump's authoritarian rot is dissolving the American state — and raising the possibility of interference with the 2020 election.

Let me start with some background. As noted, the USPS has struggled since 2006, when Congress and President Bush imposed absurd retirement benefit funding requirements in the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. As my colleague Jeff Spross writes, this required the agency to pre-fund its retiree health benefits over the next 75 years, and immediately knocked its budget into the red. As I have argued before, fully pre-funding even normal pensions is absurd for a permanent government agency, but this is even worse — requiring the USPS to sock money away for future employees who aren't even born yet.As a result, the collapse in ordinary mail volume thanks to the coronavirus pandemic landed on an agency that was already struggling to keep its head above water. More than half of its mail trucks are outdated Grumman Long Life Vehicle models, kept in service long past their planned retirement dates, and have an alarming habit of catching on fire. They also have no air conditioning — as a result, hundreds of mail carriers have suffered heat exhaustion over the last few years, and some have even died of heatstroke.Now, as the Post reports, the USPS has also seen a huge spike in demand for package delivery as people shop more online under quarantine, which has cushioned the blow somewhat. But the agency is still reeling, and now the Trump administration is making the problems worse. Congress authorized USPS to borrow $10 billion as part of a coronavirus relief package, but Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin is refusing to hand over the money until it turns over much of its operations to him. (This was not remotely stipulated in the law and is probably illegal.)Meanwhile, DeJoy is pushing a lot of business consultant mumbo-jumbo on the agency. He has limited overtime, instructed mail carriers to leave mail behind that will slow down their delivery routes, and required that they park no more than four times along their delivery routes. Trump, meanwhile, has demanded the USPS quadruple its rates on packages.MORE PERSPECTIVES
Does Biden's running mate really matter?
This betrays an alarming lack of understanding about what makes the USPS work. Its primary advantage is daily, inexpensive service to almost every house and business in the country. Efficiency is important, but reliability is even more so. People will not turn to it if their mail is randomly delayed or lost, which is liable to happen if it is left behind, much less if it costs four times what it currently does. Indeed, several cities are reporting severe problems with mail service of late. And limiting parking along the delivery route is simply bizarre — it could easily make the route take longer by forcing mail carriers to walk longer distances. (It sounds very much like the plutocrat knee-jerk belief that the way to improve efficiency is to abuse one's employees.)

It is hard to explain what is going on here. Part of it is surely the Republican hatred of public services of any kind. GOP dogma holds that government is bad by definition, and if there is a popular and successful agency, by God they will ruin it out of spite. Part of it is just the general

malicious incompetence that saturates every part of the Trump administration. Part of it probably has to do with Trump's feud with Jeff Bezos — he seems to think that by punishing the USPS he can hurt Amazon.

But it's also impossible not to notice that Trump has been screeching paranoid lies about voting by mail for the last few months, falsely portraying it as some kind of Democratic conspiracy to commit voter fraud. The pandemic will surely still be raging come November, and people will therefore want to vote by mail if they can. Indeed, the USPS is already warning people to submit their ballots early. Trump or his toadies may be calculating that Democrats are more likely to vote by mail, therefore ruining mail delivery might mean enough ballots are lost or unable to be delivered in time to tip the election to Trump.

If that were to happen, it would be straight-up election theft. However, it might actually boomerang on Trump and other Republican candidates, which have historically relied on mail-in ballots to drive turnout among their elderly voters. Trump's own campaign has a large absentee ballot operation, but Trump's howling has apparently made his crackpot base leery of mail-in voting themselves — missing the intended message that mail-in voting is fraud only when Democrats do it. And if the pandemic is bad enough, many older Republicans may not vote at all for fear of catching COVID-19.

Whatever the reason, it's just one more potential accelerating catastrophe to add to the pile caused by Trump's disastrous misrule. The U.S. could not possibly have become a rich country without the connective social tissue of efficient mail service. But it seems the president is determined to cause as much destruction on his way down as he can.

Thanks!

Your article that didn't mention defunding really backed up your claim about defunding.

Twat.

Your ignorance and inability to comprehend documents of fact comes to no surprise by any of us who understand what they are reading. The fact that bush forced the post office through an act, to pre-fund their retiree health benefits for 75 years, putting the post office in the red, obviously went right over your head.

You cannot help those who look facts in the eye, pretend they are not there, and use that as intelligent debate. You are totally lost to the universe, and you have no role concerning serious debate.

Let me start with some background. As noted, the USPS has struggled since 2006, when Congress and President Bush imposed absurd retirement benefit funding requirements in the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. As my colleague Jeff Spross writes, this required the agency to pre-fund its retiree health benefits over the next 75 years, and immediately knocked its budget into the red. As I have argued before, fully pre-funding even normal pensions is absurd for a permanent government agency, but this is even worse — requiring the USPS to sock money away for future employees who aren't even born yet.As a result, the collapse in ordinary mail volume thanks to the coronavirus pandemic landed on an agency that was already struggling to keep its head above water. This is an example of de funding that anyone with a functioning brain with eyes who can read, could comprehend.

 

[BWK]

This is taking a simple and accurate method and turning it into an agenda fulfilling nightmare.
“Expert analysis of each signature” would take many many months.
Libs don’t want results from this election because they fear the result.

So what you're saying is that absentee balloting (which Republicans have used for years) is not valid?

That method has always been for a tiny minority and not the total voting public.

A tiny minority? Entire states vote exclusively by mail and have for years. In 2016 over 20% of all votes were cast by mail.

223K Clark County NV Mail Ballots Went to Wrong Addresses in 2020 Primary

County Returns: 17% of Clark County Voter Roll Shows Wrong Addresses

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/NV-2020-Primary-1P-1.pdf

That's fraud? Shit man! Get a clue.

No, that's incompetence.

Thanks, you just argued against your own argument that it was fraud, and replaced it with incompetence. Dude, you are too easy.

 

[WEATHER53]

If voting in person is too much of an ordeal then you are unqualified to vote so dont

 

[BWK]

If voting in person is too much of an ordeal then you are unqualified to vote so dont

Really? Says who? Are people with covid unqualified? What about people who do not have vehicles, or their polling places have been shut down? What about disabled folks who can't leave the house? How are they unqualified? If you are unable to answer, then you are nothing but a liar.

 

[jc456]

How is mail in voting a new system?

Because in the past you had to ask for a ballot. They didn't just send out ballots to everyone alive or dead they can imagine.

You didn't know that? Seriously? Where have you been, Antarctica?

You still have to ask for them. WTF are you talking about?

In Washington, Oregon, Colorado they have been mailing ballots to all voters, unrequested. They have been doing it for years and years. Because of COVID, additional states like California (who passed the Voter's Choice Act long before COVID) will be mailing a ballot automatically to all registered voters. They don't have to be requested in advance.

Trump sycophants only started to get upset about mailing ballots to all registered voters in the past few months. You won't find a single concern or complaint from them about VBM in WA, OR or CO prior to a couple months ago...when their cult leader started looking down the barrel of a loss.

They are as transparent as glass. We SEE how desperate and pathetic they are.

One word, harvesting

Ya know which party was convicted of illegal vote harvesting in North Carolina?
Yea...the GOP

So you’re for it?

 

[jc456]

So, got thinking about this today, I know get a life. Anyway, if mailed ballots are so in, how is it black voters votes were supposedly suppressed? Are all you demofks saying now they aren’t smart enough to mail in their votes as well? I mean, you all say they are too stupid to locate a changed voting location! So how is it they didn’t just mail their votes?

 

[WEATHER53]

If voting in person is too much of an ordeal then you are unqualified to vote so dont

Really? Says who? Are people with covid unqualified? What about people who do not have vehicles, or their polling places have been shut down? What about disabled folks who can't leave the house? How are they unqualified? If you are unable to answer, then you are nothing but a liar.

Once again shit for brains. 5% of the population has always voted by mail which is not the same as all or mostly all of the voters
And who says so is anyone with an ounce of gumption snd motivation
Typical liberal hoax trying to present the exception as the rule

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ha, you forgot about the defunding process of the post office by Trump. Mail in will be a disaster if you defund and suppress the vote that way.

It will be a disaster regardless.

Defunding the post office by Trump to suppress the vote is disastrous for voters. That's the only disaster there is.

They lost $2.2 billion in the 2nd quarter, without hundreds of millions of ballots being sent out.

Has nothing to do with it. Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time. And now they will go in over drive with it. They knew a long time ago, that Covid would bring on mail- in -voting. They have to stop it to suppress the vote. There is no legitimate reason to defund an institution that has been successful for decades other than to suppress the vote and feed the corporate elites.

Has nothing to do with it. Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time.

Sneaky how they stopped Clinton and Obama from funding it for 16 years, eh?

They have to stop it to suppress the vote. There is no legitimate reason to defund an institution that has been successful for decades

I know!!! And with a 20% failure rate on recent election mailings, what could go wrong?

how they stopped Clinton and Obama from funding it for 16 years, eh?

Uff...
The Gov't doesnt fund the USPS at all, dope.
Not a dime of tax money goes there.

The Gov't doesnt fund the USPS at all, dope.
Not a dime of tax money goes there.

Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time.

You should tell that to the stupid twat who posted this ^

Do you ever get a fucking clue?


The Week Customer Service

OPINION
Donald Trump is destroying the Post Office

Ryan Cooper

The United States Postal Service has long been the most popular government agency. The last Gallup poll on the question found 74 percent of Americans rated it as excellent or good — as compared to 60 percent for NASA or 50 percent for the IRS. Despite years of cash trouble (mainly the fault of Congress), most people like their good old mail carrier. Indeed, as I have written, this country could not function without the USPS.So it should come as no surprise that President Trump is taking the agency apart. Jacob Bogage reports at The Washington Postthat the USPS is facing huge problems under Louis DeJoy, a big Trump donor who was recently appointed postmaster general. DeJoy supposedly wants it to run more like a business, and has implemented structural changes that have fouled up deliveries. It's yet another example of how Trump's authoritarian rot is dissolving the American state — and raising the possibility of interference with the 2020 election.

Let me start with some background. As noted, the USPS has struggled since 2006, when Congress and President Bush imposed absurd retirement benefit funding requirements in the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. As my colleague Jeff Spross writes, this required the agency to pre-fund its retiree health benefits over the next 75 years, and immediately knocked its budget into the red. As I have argued before, fully pre-funding even normal pensions is absurd for a permanent government agency, but this is even worse — requiring the USPS to sock money away for future employees who aren't even born yet.As a result, the collapse in ordinary mail volume thanks to the coronavirus pandemic landed on an agency that was already struggling to keep its head above water. More than half of its mail trucks are outdated Grumman Long Life Vehicle models, kept in service long past their planned retirement dates, and have an alarming habit of catching on fire. They also have no air conditioning — as a result, hundreds of mail carriers have suffered heat exhaustion over the last few years, and some have even died of heatstroke.Now, as the Post reports, the USPS has also seen a huge spike in demand for package delivery as people shop more online under quarantine, which has cushioned the blow somewhat. But the agency is still reeling, and now the Trump administration is making the problems worse. Congress authorized USPS to borrow $10 billion as part of a coronavirus relief package, but Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin is refusing to hand over the money until it turns over much of its operations to him. (This was not remotely stipulated in the law and is probably illegal.)Meanwhile, DeJoy is pushing a lot of business consultant mumbo-jumbo on the agency. He has limited overtime, instructed mail carriers to leave mail behind that will slow down their delivery routes, and required that they park no more than four times along their delivery routes. Trump, meanwhile, has demanded the USPS quadruple its rates on packages.MORE PERSPECTIVES
Does Biden's running mate really matter?
This betrays an alarming lack of understanding about what makes the USPS work. Its primary advantage is daily, inexpensive service to almost every house and business in the country. Efficiency is important, but reliability is even more so. People will not turn to it if their mail is randomly delayed or lost, which is liable to happen if it is left behind, much less if it costs four times what it currently does. Indeed, several cities are reporting severe problems with mail service of late. And limiting parking along the delivery route is simply bizarre — it could easily make the route take longer by forcing mail carriers to walk longer distances. (It sounds very much like the plutocrat knee-jerk belief that the way to improve efficiency is to abuse one's employees.)

It is hard to explain what is going on here. Part of it is surely the Republican hatred of public services of any kind. GOP dogma holds that government is bad by definition, and if there is a popular and successful agency, by God they will ruin it out of spite. Part of it is just the general

malicious incompetence that saturates every part of the Trump administration. Part of it probably has to do with Trump's feud with Jeff Bezos — he seems to think that by punishing the USPS he can hurt Amazon.

But it's also impossible not to notice that Trump has been screeching paranoid lies about voting by mail for the last few months, falsely portraying it as some kind of Democratic conspiracy to commit voter fraud. The pandemic will surely still be raging come November, and people will therefore want to vote by mail if they can. Indeed, the USPS is already warning people to submit their ballots early. Trump or his toadies may be calculating that Democrats are more likely to vote by mail, therefore ruining mail delivery might mean enough ballots are lost or unable to be delivered in time to tip the election to Trump.

If that were to happen, it would be straight-up election theft. However, it might actually boomerang on Trump and other Republican candidates, which have historically relied on mail-in ballots to drive turnout among their elderly voters. Trump's own campaign has a large absentee ballot operation, but Trump's howling has apparently made his crackpot base leery of mail-in voting themselves — missing the intended message that mail-in voting is fraud only when Democrats do it. And if the pandemic is bad enough, many older Republicans may not vote at all for fear of catching COVID-19.

Whatever the reason, it's just one more potential accelerating catastrophe to add to the pile caused by Trump's disastrous misrule. The U.S. could not possibly have become a rich country without the connective social tissue of efficient mail service. But it seems the president is determined to cause as much destruction on his way down as he can.

Thanks!

Your article that didn't mention defunding really backed up your claim about defunding.

Twat.

Your ignorance and inability to comprehend documents of fact comes to no surprise by any of us who understand what they are reading. The fact that bush forced the post office through an act, to pre-fund their retiree health benefits for 75 years, putting the post office in the red, obviously went right over your head.

You cannot help those who look facts in the eye, pretend they are not there, and use that as intelligent debate. You are totally lost to the universe, and you have no role concerning serious debate.

Let me start with some background. As noted, the USPS has struggled since 2006, when Congress and President Bush imposed absurd retirement benefit funding requirements in the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. As my colleague Jeff Spross writes, this required the agency to pre-fund its retiree health benefits over the next 75 years, and immediately knocked its budget into the red. As I have argued before, fully pre-funding even normal pensions is absurd for a permanent government agency, but this is even worse — requiring the USPS to sock money away for future employees who aren't even born yet.As a result, the collapse in ordinary mail volume thanks to the coronavirus pandemic landed on an agency that was already struggling to keep its head above water. This is an example of de funding that anyone with a functioning brain with eyes who can read, could comprehend.

The fact that bush forced the post office through an act, to pre-fund their retiree health benefits for 75 years,

What's the proper number of years they should be pre-funded for.......?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

This is taking a simple and accurate method and turning it into an agenda fulfilling nightmare.
“Expert analysis of each signature” would take many many months.
Libs don’t want results from this election because they fear the result.

So what you're saying is that absentee balloting (which Republicans have used for years) is not valid?

That method has always been for a tiny minority and not the total voting public.

A tiny minority? Entire states vote exclusively by mail and have for years. In 2016 over 20% of all votes were cast by mail.

223K Clark County NV Mail Ballots Went to Wrong Addresses in 2020 Primary

County Returns: 17% of Clark County Voter Roll Shows Wrong Addresses

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/NV-2020-Primary-1P-1.pdf

That's fraud? Shit man! Get a clue.

No, that's incompetence.

Thanks, you just argued against your own argument that it was fraud, and replaced it with incompetence. Dude, you are too easy.

Thanks, you just argued against your own argument

How did pointing out the inability of the Post office to correctly mail out millions of ballots argue against voter fraud which is made easier by mailing out ballots to every registered voter?

 

[BWK]

This is taking a simple and accurate method and turning it into an agenda fulfilling nightmare.
“Expert analysis of each signature” would take many many months.
Libs don’t want results from this election because they fear the result.

So what you're saying is that absentee balloting (which Republicans have used for years) is not valid?

That method has always been for a tiny minority and not the total voting public.

A tiny minority? Entire states vote exclusively by mail and have for years. In 2016 over 20% of all votes were cast by mail.

223K Clark County NV Mail Ballots Went to Wrong Addresses in 2020 Primary

County Returns: 17% of Clark County Voter Roll Shows Wrong Addresses

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/NV-2020-Primary-1P-1.pdf

That's fraud? Shit man! Get a clue.

No, that's incompetence.

Thanks, you just argued against your own argument that it was fraud, and replaced it with incompetence. Dude, you are too easy.

Thanks, you just argued against your own argument

How did pointing out the inability of the Post office to correctly mail out millions of ballots argue against voter fraud which is made easier by mailing out ballots to every registered voter?

It isn't the job of the post office to read other people's mail. It's their job to deliver it. If the envelopes show a different address, that's not on the post office.

Do you make it a habit to present to us ridiculous arguments because you cannot produce any intelligent one's?

 

[BWK]

Ha, you forgot about the defunding process of the post office by Trump. Mail in will be a disaster if you defund and suppress the vote that way.

It will be a disaster regardless.

Defunding the post office by Trump to suppress the vote is disastrous for voters. That's the only disaster there is.

They lost $2.2 billion in the 2nd quarter, without hundreds of millions of ballots being sent out.

Has nothing to do with it. Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time. And now they will go in over drive with it. They knew a long time ago, that Covid would bring on mail- in -voting. They have to stop it to suppress the vote. There is no legitimate reason to defund an institution that has been successful for decades other than to suppress the vote and feed the corporate elites.

Has nothing to do with it. Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time.

Sneaky how they stopped Clinton and Obama from funding it for 16 years, eh?

They have to stop it to suppress the vote. There is no legitimate reason to defund an institution that has been successful for decades

I know!!! And with a 20% failure rate on recent election mailings, what could go wrong?

how they stopped Clinton and Obama from funding it for 16 years, eh?

Uff...
The Gov't doesnt fund the USPS at all, dope.
Not a dime of tax money goes there.

The Gov't doesnt fund the USPS at all, dope.
Not a dime of tax money goes there.

Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time.

You should tell that to the stupid twat who posted this ^

Do you ever get a fucking clue?


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OPINION
Donald Trump is destroying the Post Office

Ryan Cooper

The United States Postal Service has long been the most popular government agency. The last Gallup poll on the question found 74 percent of Americans rated it as excellent or good — as compared to 60 percent for NASA or 50 percent for the IRS. Despite years of cash trouble (mainly the fault of Congress), most people like their good old mail carrier. Indeed, as I have written, this country could not function without the USPS.So it should come as no surprise that President Trump is taking the agency apart. Jacob Bogage reports at The Washington Postthat the USPS is facing huge problems under Louis DeJoy, a big Trump donor who was recently appointed postmaster general. DeJoy supposedly wants it to run more like a business, and has implemented structural changes that have fouled up deliveries. It's yet another example of how Trump's authoritarian rot is dissolving the American state — and raising the possibility of interference with the 2020 election.

Let me start with some background. As noted, the USPS has struggled since 2006, when Congress and President Bush imposed absurd retirement benefit funding requirements in the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. As my colleague Jeff Spross writes, this required the agency to pre-fund its retiree health benefits over the next 75 years, and immediately knocked its budget into the red. As I have argued before, fully pre-funding even normal pensions is absurd for a permanent government agency, but this is even worse — requiring the USPS to sock money away for future employees who aren't even born yet.As a result, the collapse in ordinary mail volume thanks to the coronavirus pandemic landed on an agency that was already struggling to keep its head above water. More than half of its mail trucks are outdated Grumman Long Life Vehicle models, kept in service long past their planned retirement dates, and have an alarming habit of catching on fire. They also have no air conditioning — as a result, hundreds of mail carriers have suffered heat exhaustion over the last few years, and some have even died of heatstroke.Now, as the Post reports, the USPS has also seen a huge spike in demand for package delivery as people shop more online under quarantine, which has cushioned the blow somewhat. But the agency is still reeling, and now the Trump administration is making the problems worse. Congress authorized USPS to borrow $10 billion as part of a coronavirus relief package, but Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin is refusing to hand over the money until it turns over much of its operations to him. (This was not remotely stipulated in the law and is probably illegal.)Meanwhile, DeJoy is pushing a lot of business consultant mumbo-jumbo on the agency. He has limited overtime, instructed mail carriers to leave mail behind that will slow down their delivery routes, and required that they park no more than four times along their delivery routes. Trump, meanwhile, has demanded the USPS quadruple its rates on packages.MORE PERSPECTIVES
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This betrays an alarming lack of understanding about what makes the USPS work. Its primary advantage is daily, inexpensive service to almost every house and business in the country. Efficiency is important, but reliability is even more so. People will not turn to it if their mail is randomly delayed or lost, which is liable to happen if it is left behind, much less if it costs four times what it currently does. Indeed, several cities are reporting severe problems with mail service of late. And limiting parking along the delivery route is simply bizarre — it could easily make the route take longer by forcing mail carriers to walk longer distances. (It sounds very much like the plutocrat knee-jerk belief that the way to improve efficiency is to abuse one's employees.)

It is hard to explain what is going on here. Part of it is surely the Republican hatred of public services of any kind. GOP dogma holds that government is bad by definition, and if there is a popular and successful agency, by God they will ruin it out of spite. Part of it is just the general

malicious incompetence that saturates every part of the Trump administration. Part of it probably has to do with Trump's feud with Jeff Bezos — he seems to think that by punishing the USPS he can hurt Amazon.

But it's also impossible not to notice that Trump has been screeching paranoid lies about voting by mail for the last few months, falsely portraying it as some kind of Democratic conspiracy to commit voter fraud. The pandemic will surely still be raging come November, and people will therefore want to vote by mail if they can. Indeed, the USPS is already warning people to submit their ballots early. Trump or his toadies may be calculating that Democrats are more likely to vote by mail, therefore ruining mail delivery might mean enough ballots are lost or unable to be delivered in time to tip the election to Trump.

If that were to happen, it would be straight-up election theft. However, it might actually boomerang on Trump and other Republican candidates, which have historically relied on mail-in ballots to drive turnout among their elderly voters. Trump's own campaign has a large absentee ballot operation, but Trump's howling has apparently made his crackpot base leery of mail-in voting themselves — missing the intended message that mail-in voting is fraud only when Democrats do it. And if the pandemic is bad enough, many older Republicans may not vote at all for fear of catching COVID-19.

Whatever the reason, it's just one more potential accelerating catastrophe to add to the pile caused by Trump's disastrous misrule. The U.S. could not possibly have become a rich country without the connective social tissue of efficient mail service. But it seems the president is determined to cause as much destruction on his way down as he can.

Thanks!

Your article that didn't mention defunding really backed up your claim about defunding.

Twat.

Your ignorance and inability to comprehend documents of fact comes to no surprise by any of us who understand what they are reading. The fact that bush forced the post office through an act, to pre-fund their retiree health benefits for 75 years, putting the post office in the red, obviously went right over your head.

You cannot help those who look facts in the eye, pretend they are not there, and use that as intelligent debate. You are totally lost to the universe, and you have no role concerning serious debate.

Let me start with some background. As noted, the USPS has struggled since 2006, when Congress and President Bush imposed absurd retirement benefit funding requirements in the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. As my colleague Jeff Spross writes, this required the agency to pre-fund its retiree health benefits over the next 75 years, and immediately knocked its budget into the red. As I have argued before, fully pre-funding even normal pensions is absurd for a permanent government agency, but this is even worse — requiring the USPS to sock money away for future employees who aren't even born yet.As a result, the collapse in ordinary mail volume thanks to the coronavirus pandemic landed on an agency that was already struggling to keep its head above water. This is an example of de funding that anyone with a functioning brain with eyes who can read, could comprehend.

The fact that bush forced the post office through an act, to pre-fund their retiree health benefits for 75 years,

What's the proper number of years they should be pre-funded for.......?

So, you finally admitted to it being defunded. Thanks!

And your question is a stupid one that could only have an answer for a potato head idiot dumb enough to give an answer. Thanks for the distraction that is worth shit.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

This is taking a simple and accurate method and turning it into an agenda fulfilling nightmare.
“Expert analysis of each signature” would take many many months.
Libs don’t want results from this election because they fear the result.

So what you're saying is that absentee balloting (which Republicans have used for years) is not valid?

That method has always been for a tiny minority and not the total voting public.

A tiny minority? Entire states vote exclusively by mail and have for years. In 2016 over 20% of all votes were cast by mail.

223K Clark County NV Mail Ballots Went to Wrong Addresses in 2020 Primary

County Returns: 17% of Clark County Voter Roll Shows Wrong Addresses

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/NV-2020-Primary-1P-1.pdf

That's fraud? Shit man! Get a clue.

No, that's incompetence.

Thanks, you just argued against your own argument that it was fraud, and replaced it with incompetence. Dude, you are too easy.

Thanks, you just argued against your own argument

How did pointing out the inability of the Post office to correctly mail out millions of ballots argue against voter fraud which is made easier by mailing out ballots to every registered voter?

It isn't the job of the post office to read other people's mail. It's their job to deliver it. If the envelopes show a different address, that's not on the post office.

Do you make it a habit to present to us ridiculous arguments because you cannot produce any intelligent one's?

If the envelopes show a different address, that's not on the post office.

So the voter rolls are that fucked up?
Maybe mailing everyone a ballot without purging dead, moved and invalid registrations is a stupid idea? I see why you like it.

Do you make it a habit to present to us ridiculous arguments

I make it a habit to refute your ridiculous arguments.

 

[BWK]

If voting in person is too much of an ordeal then you are unqualified to vote so dont

Really? Says who? Are people with covid unqualified? What about people who do not have vehicles, or their polling places have been shut down? What about disabled folks who can't leave the house? How are they unqualified? If you are unable to answer, then you are nothing but a liar.

Once again shit for brains. 5% of the population has always voted by mail which is not the same as all or mostly all of the voters
And who says so is anyone with an ounce of gumption snd motivation
Typical liberal hoax trying to present the exception as the rule

You can't answer any of my questions. You lose.

By the way, Republicans closing 868 polling places in the south in minority areas, is going to change the way we vote because of voter suppression,and turn this country back to "all" the people who deserve a free and fair election. So screw you mf.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ha, you forgot about the defunding process of the post office by Trump. Mail in will be a disaster if you defund and suppress the vote that way.

It will be a disaster regardless.

Defunding the post office by Trump to suppress the vote is disastrous for voters. That's the only disaster there is.

They lost $2.2 billion in the 2nd quarter, without hundreds of millions of ballots being sent out.

Has nothing to do with it. Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time. And now they will go in over drive with it. They knew a long time ago, that Covid would bring on mail- in -voting. They have to stop it to suppress the vote. There is no legitimate reason to defund an institution that has been successful for decades other than to suppress the vote and feed the corporate elites.

Has nothing to do with it. Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time.

Sneaky how they stopped Clinton and Obama from funding it for 16 years, eh?

They have to stop it to suppress the vote. There is no legitimate reason to defund an institution that has been successful for decades

I know!!! And with a 20% failure rate on recent election mailings, what could go wrong?

how they stopped Clinton and Obama from funding it for 16 years, eh?

Uff...
The Gov't doesnt fund the USPS at all, dope.
Not a dime of tax money goes there.

The Gov't doesnt fund the USPS at all, dope.
Not a dime of tax money goes there.

Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time.

You should tell that to the stupid twat who posted this ^

Do you ever get a fucking clue?


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OPINION
Donald Trump is destroying the Post Office

Ryan Cooper

The United States Postal Service has long been the most popular government agency. The last Gallup poll on the question found 74 percent of Americans rated it as excellent or good — as compared to 60 percent for NASA or 50 percent for the IRS. Despite years of cash trouble (mainly the fault of Congress), most people like their good old mail carrier. Indeed, as I have written, this country could not function without the USPS.So it should come as no surprise that President Trump is taking the agency apart. Jacob Bogage reports at The Washington Postthat the USPS is facing huge problems under Louis DeJoy, a big Trump donor who was recently appointed postmaster general. DeJoy supposedly wants it to run more like a business, and has implemented structural changes that have fouled up deliveries. It's yet another example of how Trump's authoritarian rot is dissolving the American state — and raising the possibility of interference with the 2020 election.

Let me start with some background. As noted, the USPS has struggled since 2006, when Congress and President Bush imposed absurd retirement benefit funding requirements in the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. As my colleague Jeff Spross writes, this required the agency to pre-fund its retiree health benefits over the next 75 years, and immediately knocked its budget into the red. As I have argued before, fully pre-funding even normal pensions is absurd for a permanent government agency, but this is even worse — requiring the USPS to sock money away for future employees who aren't even born yet.As a result, the collapse in ordinary mail volume thanks to the coronavirus pandemic landed on an agency that was already struggling to keep its head above water. More than half of its mail trucks are outdated Grumman Long Life Vehicle models, kept in service long past their planned retirement dates, and have an alarming habit of catching on fire. They also have no air conditioning — as a result, hundreds of mail carriers have suffered heat exhaustion over the last few years, and some have even died of heatstroke.Now, as the Post reports, the USPS has also seen a huge spike in demand for package delivery as people shop more online under quarantine, which has cushioned the blow somewhat. But the agency is still reeling, and now the Trump administration is making the problems worse. Congress authorized USPS to borrow $10 billion as part of a coronavirus relief package, but Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin is refusing to hand over the money until it turns over much of its operations to him. (This was not remotely stipulated in the law and is probably illegal.)Meanwhile, DeJoy is pushing a lot of business consultant mumbo-jumbo on the agency. He has limited overtime, instructed mail carriers to leave mail behind that will slow down their delivery routes, and required that they park no more than four times along their delivery routes. Trump, meanwhile, has demanded the USPS quadruple its rates on packages.MORE PERSPECTIVES
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This betrays an alarming lack of understanding about what makes the USPS work. Its primary advantage is daily, inexpensive service to almost every house and business in the country. Efficiency is important, but reliability is even more so. People will not turn to it if their mail is randomly delayed or lost, which is liable to happen if it is left behind, much less if it costs four times what it currently does. Indeed, several cities are reporting severe problems with mail service of late. And limiting parking along the delivery route is simply bizarre — it could easily make the route take longer by forcing mail carriers to walk longer distances. (It sounds very much like the plutocrat knee-jerk belief that the way to improve efficiency is to abuse one's employees.)

It is hard to explain what is going on here. Part of it is surely the Republican hatred of public services of any kind. GOP dogma holds that government is bad by definition, and if there is a popular and successful agency, by God they will ruin it out of spite. Part of it is just the general

malicious incompetence that saturates every part of the Trump administration. Part of it probably has to do with Trump's feud with Jeff Bezos — he seems to think that by punishing the USPS he can hurt Amazon.

But it's also impossible not to notice that Trump has been screeching paranoid lies about voting by mail for the last few months, falsely portraying it as some kind of Democratic conspiracy to commit voter fraud. The pandemic will surely still be raging come November, and people will therefore want to vote by mail if they can. Indeed, the USPS is already warning people to submit their ballots early. Trump or his toadies may be calculating that Democrats are more likely to vote by mail, therefore ruining mail delivery might mean enough ballots are lost or unable to be delivered in time to tip the election to Trump.

If that were to happen, it would be straight-up election theft. However, it might actually boomerang on Trump and other Republican candidates, which have historically relied on mail-in ballots to drive turnout among their elderly voters. Trump's own campaign has a large absentee ballot operation, but Trump's howling has apparently made his crackpot base leery of mail-in voting themselves — missing the intended message that mail-in voting is fraud only when Democrats do it. And if the pandemic is bad enough, many older Republicans may not vote at all for fear of catching COVID-19.

Whatever the reason, it's just one more potential accelerating catastrophe to add to the pile caused by Trump's disastrous misrule. The U.S. could not possibly have become a rich country without the connective social tissue of efficient mail service. But it seems the president is determined to cause as much destruction on his way down as he can.

Thanks!

Your article that didn't mention defunding really backed up your claim about defunding.

Twat.

Your ignorance and inability to comprehend documents of fact comes to no surprise by any of us who understand what they are reading. The fact that bush forced the post office through an act, to pre-fund their retiree health benefits for 75 years, putting the post office in the red, obviously went right over your head.

You cannot help those who look facts in the eye, pretend they are not there, and use that as intelligent debate. You are totally lost to the universe, and you have no role concerning serious debate.

Let me start with some background. As noted, the USPS has struggled since 2006, when Congress and President Bush imposed absurd retirement benefit funding requirements in the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. As my colleague Jeff Spross writes, this required the agency to pre-fund its retiree health benefits over the next 75 years, and immediately knocked its budget into the red. As I have argued before, fully pre-funding even normal pensions is absurd for a permanent government agency, but this is even worse — requiring the USPS to sock money away for future employees who aren't even born yet.As a result, the collapse in ordinary mail volume thanks to the coronavirus pandemic landed on an agency that was already struggling to keep its head above water. This is an example of de funding that anyone with a functioning brain with eyes who can read, could comprehend.

The fact that bush forced the post office through an act, to pre-fund their retiree health benefits for 75 years,

What's the proper number of years they should be pre-funded for.......?

So, you finally admitted to it being defunded. Thanks!

And your question is a stupid one that could only have an answer for a potato head idiot dumb enough to give an answer. Thanks for the distraction that is worth shit.

So, you finally admitted to it being defunded.

Scared to say how many years their benefits should be pre-funded? DURR

It must have made you sad when Republicans forced this crappy bill thru
over the objections of most (all?) the Dems, eh?

Nasty Republicans.......LOL!

 

[BWK]

This is taking a simple and accurate method and turning it into an agenda fulfilling nightmare.
“Expert analysis of each signature” would take many many months.
Libs don’t want results from this election because they fear the result.

So what you're saying is that absentee balloting (which Republicans have used for years) is not valid?

That method has always been for a tiny minority and not the total voting public.

A tiny minority? Entire states vote exclusively by mail and have for years. In 2016 over 20% of all votes were cast by mail.

223K Clark County NV Mail Ballots Went to Wrong Addresses in 2020 Primary

County Returns: 17% of Clark County Voter Roll Shows Wrong Addresses

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/NV-2020-Primary-1P-1.pdf

That's fraud? Shit man! Get a clue.

No, that's incompetence.

Thanks, you just argued against your own argument that it was fraud, and replaced it with incompetence. Dude, you are too easy.

Thanks, you just argued against your own argument

How did pointing out the inability of the Post office to correctly mail out millions of ballots argue against voter fraud which is made easier by mailing out ballots to every registered voter?

It isn't the job of the post office to read other people's mail. It's their job to deliver it. If the envelopes show a different address, that's not on the post office.

Do you make it a habit to present to us ridiculous arguments because you cannot produce any intelligent one's?

If the envelopes show a different address, that's not on the post office.

So the voter rolls are that fucked up?
Maybe mailing everyone a ballot without purging dead, moved and invalid registrations is a stupid idea? I see why you like it.

Do you make it a habit to present to us ridiculous arguments

I make it a habit to refute your ridiculous arguments.

Who said anything about purging dead people? I didn't,you did. Purging voters illegally for double voting when that didn't happen is not an argument you have the luxury of refuting; The Election Was Stolen - Here’s How... - Greg Palast

Start refuting loser.

 

[BWK]

Ha, you forgot about the defunding process of the post office by Trump. Mail in will be a disaster if you defund and suppress the vote that way.

It will be a disaster regardless.

Defunding the post office by Trump to suppress the vote is disastrous for voters. That's the only disaster there is.

They lost $2.2 billion in the 2nd quarter, without hundreds of millions of ballots being sent out.

Has nothing to do with it. Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time. And now they will go in over drive with it. They knew a long time ago, that Covid would bring on mail- in -voting. They have to stop it to suppress the vote. There is no legitimate reason to defund an institution that has been successful for decades other than to suppress the vote and feed the corporate elites.

Has nothing to do with it. Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time.

Sneaky how they stopped Clinton and Obama from funding it for 16 years, eh?

They have to stop it to suppress the vote. There is no legitimate reason to defund an institution that has been successful for decades

I know!!! And with a 20% failure rate on recent election mailings, what could go wrong?

how they stopped Clinton and Obama from funding it for 16 years, eh?

Uff...
The Gov't doesnt fund the USPS at all, dope.
Not a dime of tax money goes there.

The Gov't doesnt fund the USPS at all, dope.
Not a dime of tax money goes there.

Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time.

You should tell that to the stupid twat who posted this ^

Do you ever get a fucking clue?


The Week Customer Service

OPINION
Donald Trump is destroying the Post Office

Ryan Cooper

The United States Postal Service has long been the most popular government agency. The last Gallup poll on the question found 74 percent of Americans rated it as excellent or good — as compared to 60 percent for NASA or 50 percent for the IRS. Despite years of cash trouble (mainly the fault of Congress), most people like their good old mail carrier. Indeed, as I have written, this country could not function without the USPS.So it should come as no surprise that President Trump is taking the agency apart. Jacob Bogage reports at The Washington Postthat the USPS is facing huge problems under Louis DeJoy, a big Trump donor who was recently appointed postmaster general. DeJoy supposedly wants it to run more like a business, and has implemented structural changes that have fouled up deliveries. It's yet another example of how Trump's authoritarian rot is dissolving the American state — and raising the possibility of interference with the 2020 election.

Let me start with some background. As noted, the USPS has struggled since 2006, when Congress and President Bush imposed absurd retirement benefit funding requirements in the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. As my colleague Jeff Spross writes, this required the agency to pre-fund its retiree health benefits over the next 75 years, and immediately knocked its budget into the red. As I have argued before, fully pre-funding even normal pensions is absurd for a permanent government agency, but this is even worse — requiring the USPS to sock money away for future employees who aren't even born yet.As a result, the collapse in ordinary mail volume thanks to the coronavirus pandemic landed on an agency that was already struggling to keep its head above water. More than half of its mail trucks are outdated Grumman Long Life Vehicle models, kept in service long past their planned retirement dates, and have an alarming habit of catching on fire. They also have no air conditioning — as a result, hundreds of mail carriers have suffered heat exhaustion over the last few years, and some have even died of heatstroke.Now, as the Post reports, the USPS has also seen a huge spike in demand for package delivery as people shop more online under quarantine, which has cushioned the blow somewhat. But the agency is still reeling, and now the Trump administration is making the problems worse. Congress authorized USPS to borrow $10 billion as part of a coronavirus relief package, but Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin is refusing to hand over the money until it turns over much of its operations to him. (This was not remotely stipulated in the law and is probably illegal.)Meanwhile, DeJoy is pushing a lot of business consultant mumbo-jumbo on the agency. He has limited overtime, instructed mail carriers to leave mail behind that will slow down their delivery routes, and required that they park no more than four times along their delivery routes. Trump, meanwhile, has demanded the USPS quadruple its rates on packages.MORE PERSPECTIVES
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This betrays an alarming lack of understanding about what makes the USPS work. Its primary advantage is daily, inexpensive service to almost every house and business in the country. Efficiency is important, but reliability is even more so. People will not turn to it if their mail is randomly delayed or lost, which is liable to happen if it is left behind, much less if it costs four times what it currently does. Indeed, several cities are reporting severe problems with mail service of late. And limiting parking along the delivery route is simply bizarre — it could easily make the route take longer by forcing mail carriers to walk longer distances. (It sounds very much like the plutocrat knee-jerk belief that the way to improve efficiency is to abuse one's employees.)

It is hard to explain what is going on here. Part of it is surely the Republican hatred of public services of any kind. GOP dogma holds that government is bad by definition, and if there is a popular and successful agency, by God they will ruin it out of spite. Part of it is just the general

malicious incompetence that saturates every part of the Trump administration. Part of it probably has to do with Trump's feud with Jeff Bezos — he seems to think that by punishing the USPS he can hurt Amazon.

But it's also impossible not to notice that Trump has been screeching paranoid lies about voting by mail for the last few months, falsely portraying it as some kind of Democratic conspiracy to commit voter fraud. The pandemic will surely still be raging come November, and people will therefore want to vote by mail if they can. Indeed, the USPS is already warning people to submit their ballots early. Trump or his toadies may be calculating that Democrats are more likely to vote by mail, therefore ruining mail delivery might mean enough ballots are lost or unable to be delivered in time to tip the election to Trump.

If that were to happen, it would be straight-up election theft. However, it might actually boomerang on Trump and other Republican candidates, which have historically relied on mail-in ballots to drive turnout among their elderly voters. Trump's own campaign has a large absentee ballot operation, but Trump's howling has apparently made his crackpot base leery of mail-in voting themselves — missing the intended message that mail-in voting is fraud only when Democrats do it. And if the pandemic is bad enough, many older Republicans may not vote at all for fear of catching COVID-19.

Whatever the reason, it's just one more potential accelerating catastrophe to add to the pile caused by Trump's disastrous misrule. The U.S. could not possibly have become a rich country without the connective social tissue of efficient mail service. But it seems the president is determined to cause as much destruction on his way down as he can.

Thanks!

Your article that didn't mention defunding really backed up your claim about defunding.

Twat.

Your ignorance and inability to comprehend documents of fact comes to no surprise by any of us who understand what they are reading. The fact that bush forced the post office through an act, to pre-fund their retiree health benefits for 75 years, putting the post office in the red, obviously went right over your head.

You cannot help those who look facts in the eye, pretend they are not there, and use that as intelligent debate. You are totally lost to the universe, and you have no role concerning serious debate.

Let me start with some background. As noted, the USPS has struggled since 2006, when Congress and President Bush imposed absurd retirement benefit funding requirements in the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. As my colleague Jeff Spross writes, this required the agency to pre-fund its retiree health benefits over the next 75 years, and immediately knocked its budget into the red. As I have argued before, fully pre-funding even normal pensions is absurd for a permanent government agency, but this is even worse — requiring the USPS to sock money away for future employees who aren't even born yet.As a result, the collapse in ordinary mail volume thanks to the coronavirus pandemic landed on an agency that was already struggling to keep its head above water. This is an example of de funding that anyone with a functioning brain with eyes who can read, could comprehend.

The fact that bush forced the post office through an act, to pre-fund their retiree health benefits for 75 years,

What's the proper number of years they should be pre-funded for.......?

So, you finally admitted to it being defunded. Thanks!

And your question is a stupid one that could only have an answer for a potato head idiot dumb enough to give an answer. Thanks for the distraction that is worth shit.

So, you finally admitted to it being defunded.

Scared to say how many years their benefits should be pre-funded? DURR

It must have made you sad when Republicans forced this crappy bill thru
over the objections of most (all?) the Dems, eh?

Nasty Republicans.......LOL!

So, attacking the argument without refuting it, shows you lost the argument. Thanks! You lose again. It must make you sad and mad when your non existing argument becomes nothing more than your own private pity party.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Ha, you forgot about the defunding process of the post office by Trump. Mail in will be a disaster if you defund and suppress the vote that way.

It will be a disaster regardless.

Defunding the post office by Trump to suppress the vote is disastrous for voters. That's the only disaster there is.

They lost $2.2 billion in the 2nd quarter, without hundreds of millions of ballots being sent out.

Has nothing to do with it. Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time. And now they will go in over drive with it. They knew a long time ago, that Covid would bring on mail- in -voting. They have to stop it to suppress the vote. There is no legitimate reason to defund an institution that has been successful for decades other than to suppress the vote and feed the corporate elites.

Has nothing to do with it. Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time.

Sneaky how they stopped Clinton and Obama from funding it for 16 years, eh?

They have to stop it to suppress the vote. There is no legitimate reason to defund an institution that has been successful for decades

I know!!! And with a 20% failure rate on recent election mailings, what could go wrong?

how they stopped Clinton and Obama from funding it for 16 years, eh?

Uff...
The Gov't doesnt fund the USPS at all, dope.
Not a dime of tax money goes there.

The Gov't doesnt fund the USPS at all, dope.
Not a dime of tax money goes there.

Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time.

You should tell that to the stupid twat who posted this ^

You should tell that to the stupid twat who posted this ^

I understand quite clearly what that poster meant. Why don't you?
Because you, like most Trumpians, are incompetent.

Postal Service dying from 1,000 cuts and a GOP stab in the back

Postal Service dying from 1,000 cuts and a GOP stab in the back

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House committee requests hearing with postmaster general amid mail-in voting concerns

The House Oversight and Reform Committee on Monday asked Postmaster General Louis DeJoy to answer questions at an upcoming hearing as concerns mount over delivery delays and how they could aff…

thehill.com

Postmaster general, a Trump crony, admits slowing the mail

Trump’s Postmaster General, Louis DeJoy, admitted yesterday, in a closed-door meeting with lawmakers, that he is behind the wave of mail delays rolling across the country in recent weeks.

peoplesworld.org

.

I understand quite clearly what that poster meant. Why don't you?

You said no tax dollars go there. Were you lying, or was the twat?

You said no tax dollars go there. Were you lying, or was the twat?

Your incompetence has left you adrift yet again.
I gave you the answer, dope.

If no taxpayer dollars fund them, Republicans can't defund them.

Don't tell the twat.

If no taxpayer dollars fund them, Republicans can't defund them.

Don't tell the twat.

Your incompetence makes you appear retarded.
I've given you everything you need to understand what you should already know.