Mail in voting - Democrats again the party of despotism

[kaz]

You don't buy that people will send in ballots for other people if mass ballots are mailed out with no accountability? That's insane. The rest of your post was pretty reasonable though

Pure nonsense. All states have mechanism in place to detect and prevent double voting and ballots are only sent to registered voters

All states have mechanism in place to detect and prevent double voting and ballots are only sent to registered voters

And every time the states use those them to purge their rolls, the Dems scream like stuck pigs.

One has nothing to do with the other

You don't get the connection between mailing out millions of ballots all the hell over the place and cleaning out the voter rolls? Seriously? OMG, Democrats are just the dumbest people in the world.

Your userid should not be Lesh, it should be Sheesh ...

They are not being mailed all over the place. Also Republicans have purged voters who have not voted in 4 years. That is too soon as many states give out licenses that are good for 8 years or more. Wisconsin wanted to give voters until 2021 but a partisan REPUBLICAN judge forced them to do it immediately. A convicted killer's appeals can last for years but a voter can be removed immediately. In addition, many people have been removed based on bad databases. Some of them have been restored but I suspect many will not be aware of this and will be denied the right to vote. Republicans are using purging of the rolls in a partisan manner.

Stop derailing the thread.

The question is whether one participant should be able to unilaterally change the rules of the game

 

[kaz]

Can you point me to any post where I said that?

Yes. It's in the conversation in your quote, actually. Hutch said people can't mail in someone else's ballot when they are dead and you agreed with him

Yes. It's in the conversation in your quote, actually. Hutch said people can't mail in someone else's ballot when they are dead and you agreed with him

I never said that at all, ya fuckin liar.

That's what you said when I said they could do that. You're just stuck in lie your ass off mode

That's what you said when I said they could do that. You're just stuck in lie your ass off mode

Quote it, loser.

Obviously you saw it since it was in this chain and you just cut it when you asked me for the quote. Here you go, liar

They didn't just send out ballots to everyone alive or dead they can imagine.

That's your imagination, dope.

Note, you will not now admit I was right even though I showed you the quote because you're a shemale. A flaming fag with no testicles

Note, you will not now admit I was right even though I showed you the quote because you're a shemale. A flaming fag with no testicles

Good job, loser.
We all lnew you had nothing but more bullshit.

When you were wrong, proven you were wrong, you had the chance to man up and say OK, your bad. Instead you put on a dress and hid under a bed

 

[berg80]

That Democrats are ramming a new system down everyone's throats

It's not a new system.

Colorado is a testament to the safety of mail-in voting | CNN

On Thursday, President Donald Trump shared a dangerous fiction regarding mail-in voting when he tweeted, "With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRADULENT Election in history. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely...

www.cnn.com

 

[Lesh]

How does vote-by-mail work and does it increase election fraud? | Brookings

Darrell West explains the different vote-by-mail systems and addresses fears over the political consequences of mail voting and potential for fraud.

www.brookings.edu

 

[kaz]

This thread is not about whether or not government mailing ballots all over the place without being prompted is a good idea or not. I think it's not, but that's for another thread.

The parties of course are competing with each other. And realistically, there are only two parties that win any substantial number of elections. Fair play in all competitions is that rules are agreed on before the competition by the contestants.

That Democrats are ramming a new system down everyone's throats is in itself wrong and despotic. The parties should agree to changing the system of deciding who wins those competitions before the competition. One party should not be able to unilaterally change the rules themselves on their own.

Democrats keep saying we're a "democracy." Well, when one side is deciding how we determine the winner, it's not. Democrats are more and more like any despotic government that decides how elections will be run and who will win.

If mail in ballots are better, then we need to take the time and figure out how to make it work so both sides are comfortable.

So the question to address in the thread: Should one party be able to unilaterally be able to change the basic rules of the game over the objections of the other party?

I say no. Republicans should not be able to do it either

What rules are you talking about? The rules where many Republican Floridians voted by mail previously, and that there is no evidence of fraud? Hayes: Trump plan is to attack legitimacy of voting system while also undermining it Mail in voting is not just a Democrat thing. Nice try.

Now that's a wild pitch. You gave an example of a case where the parties worked together and agreed. That's not what my OP is about. Try again:

So the question to address in the thread: Should one party be able to unilaterally be able to change the basic rules of the game over the objections of the other party?

The question is mute. It's irrelevant. It's also a stupid question. Why do you suppose we had a voting rights act? If a party changes a rule to disenfranchise voters, whether they are Republican or not, you are in violation of the act itself. Closing 868 polls in the south to disenfranchise minority voters didn't happen because of some rule. It happened as a result to suppress the minority vote. The fact that there is a remedy for that, has nothing to do with changing rules. Those rules were already in place to secure equal protections for ones vote.
No one party should have the power to curb a legal voters right to vote. The question is self-explanatory. Why ask such a ridiculous question?
In other words,

No voters are being disenfranchised by not mailing out unsolicited ballots. What the hell is wrong with you?

 

[kaz]

Can you point me to any post where I said that?

Yes. It's in the conversation in your quote, actually. Hutch said people can't mail in someone else's ballot when they are dead and you agreed with him

Yes. It's in the conversation in your quote, actually. Hutch said people can't mail in someone else's ballot when they are dead and you agreed with him

I never said that at all, ya fuckin liar.

That's what you said when I said they could do that. You're just stuck in lie your ass off mode

That's what you said when I said they could do that. You're just stuck in lie your ass off mode

Quote it, loser.

Obviously you saw it since it was in this chain and you just cut it when you asked me for the quote. Here you go, liar

They didn't just send out ballots to everyone alive or dead they can imagine.

That's your imagination, dope.

Note, you will not now admit I was right even though I showed you the quote because you're a shemale. A flaming fag with no testicles

Note, you will not now admit I was right even though I showed you the quote because you're a shemale. A flaming fag with no testicles

Good job, loser.
We all lnew you had nothing but more bullshit.

The fact that he has no argument, you have ugly shoes, or in this case, happen to be a "Shemale." lol! What a loser he is.

He denied what he said, I showed him the quote, he looked at it and still denied it. Shemale is exactly right

 

[kaz]

This thread is not about whether or not government mailing ballots all over the place without being prompted is a good idea or not. I think it's not, but that's for another thread.

The parties of course are competing with each other. And realistically, there are only two parties that win any substantial number of elections. Fair play in all competitions is that rules are agreed on before the competition by the contestants.

That Democrats are ramming a new system down everyone's throats is in itself wrong and despotic. The parties should agree to changing the system of deciding who wins those competitions before the competition. One party should not be able to unilaterally change the rules themselves on their own.

Democrats keep saying we're a "democracy." Well, when one side is deciding how we determine the winner, it's not. Democrats are more and more like any despotic government that decides how elections will be run and who will win.

If mail in ballots are better, then we need to take the time and figure out how to make it work so both sides are comfortable.

So the question to address in the thread: Should one party be able to unilaterally be able to change the basic rules of the game over the objections of the other party?

I say no. Republicans should not be able to do it either

What rules are you talking about? The rules where many Republican Floridians voted by mail previously, and that there is no evidence of fraud? Hayes: Trump plan is to attack legitimacy of voting system while also undermining it Mail in voting is not just a Democrat thing. Nice try.

Now that's a wild pitch. You gave an example of a case where the parties worked together and agreed. That's not what my OP is about. Try again:

So the question to address in the thread: Should one party be able to unilaterally be able to change the basic rules of the game over the objections of the other party?

The question is mute. It's irrelevant. It's also a stupid question. Why do you suppose we had a voting rights act? If a party changes a rule to disenfranchise voters, whether they are Republican or not, you are in violation of the act itself. Closing 868 polls in the south to disenfranchise minority voters didn't happen because of some rule. It happened as a result to suppress the minority vote. The fact that there is a remedy for that, has nothing to do with changing rules. Those rules were already in place to secure equal protections for ones vote.
No one party should have the power to curb a legal voters right to vote. The question is self-explanatory. Why ask such a ridiculous question?
In other words,

Republicans stole votes with poll closings. Democrats have a remedy for that. It's called voting like a Republican.

Just a useless DNC talking point

 

[easyt65]

Have you clowns figured out why the Democrats picked the specific - very late - date they did for the 1st debate?

The 1st debate is scheduled for AFTER mail-in voting starts. So Biden can stumble, stutter, forget where he is, declare he hates all blacks and honestly declare Dems only pretend to like Latinos for their votes, and the ballots already cast can't be changed.

Trump can talk about suburban housewives, the head coach of Alabama Lou Saban and honestly say he hates everyone except white males. There is absolutely no reason why people should not be able to vote before the first debate if they have made up their mind. No debate has changed the outcome since the 60s and maybe the 70s.

No debate has changed the outcome since the 60s and maybe the 70s.

Tell that to Dem nominee Michael Bloomberg.

Biden and his campaign know that if Biden demonstrates his obvious dementia in the debates its a massive game changer.

 

[kaz]

How is mail in voting a new system?

Because in the past you had to ask for a ballot. They didn't just send out ballots to everyone alive or dead they can imagine.

You didn't know that? Seriously? Where have you been, Antarctica?

They didn't just send out ballots to everyone alive or dead they can imagine.

That's your imagination, dope.

Bull shit, you made that up and you're completely wrong.

People die, they don't remove them from the voter registration rolls, they mail them a ballot. Anyone who gets that ballot can fill it out and mail it in. The person they voted for won't object. Can you think of why they won't object? LOL?

You don't understand that? How stupid are you?

1. Are you saying the Republicans doesn’t do that? Or both.

2. Show us evidence that MASSIVE mail in voter fraud existed, results and years.

I don't want either party to be able to do that

 

[kaz]

One word, harvesting

Ya know which party was convicted of illegal vote harvesting in North Carolina?
Yea...the GOP

That was one district, and it's the go to Democrat talking point because there are so many more Democrat ones but that's one of the few on the Republican side on that scale.

But it's irrelevant. I oppose fraud on both sides. The Democrats are better at it, but I don't want the better cheater to win

 

[easyt65]

You're an imbecile. The issue is not absentee ballots. The issue is mailing out unsolicited ballots.

Listen you stupid schmuck. You write one post after another that misses the point and doesn't address anything I said. If you're going to dump your bile allover the board, at least FOLLOW THE DISCUSSION.

I've only ever put one person on ignore for pure stupidity and having a complete and utter inability to follow a discussion or address anything that I actually said. That was DanielPalos on this board. You're becoming a candidate to be number two.

Write your stupid, moronic, leftist bile and I'll respond. But again, ADDRESS WHAT I SAID

That was quite the rant
Why not put everyone on ignore LOL

...because stupid, lying sheep are entertaining.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Voting rolls should be purged if a voter has not voted for something like 10 years not 4 years.

People who haven't voted for 9 years should get a ballot for November?

The fact is that 4 years is not enough. We use the census results for 10 years.

The fact is that 4 years is not enough.

The fact is that 10 years is way too much.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

This is taking a simple and accurate method and turning it into an agenda fulfilling nightmare.
“Expert analysis of each signature” would take many many months.
Libs don’t want results from this election because they fear the result.

So what you're saying is that absentee balloting (which Republicans have used for years) is not valid?

That method has always been for a tiny minority and not the total voting public.

A tiny minority? Entire states vote exclusively by mail and have for years. In 2016 over 20% of all votes were cast by mail.

223K Clark County NV Mail Ballots Went to Wrong Addresses in 2020 Primary

County Returns: 17% of Clark County Voter Roll Shows Wrong Addresses

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/NV-2020-Primary-1P-1.pdf

That is not evidence of fraud.

That is not evidence of fraud.

It's evidence that mailing ballots out to everyone would be a huge fuck up.

No it would not. Several states have done it for years.

Yup. With huge numbers of lost or spoiled ballots.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Have you clowns figured out why the Democrats picked the specific - very late - date they did for the 1st debate?

The 1st debate is scheduled for AFTER mail-in voting starts. So Biden can stumble, stutter, forget where he is, declare he hates all blacks and honestly declare Dems only pretend to like Latinos for their votes, and the ballots already cast can't be changed.

Trump can talk about suburban housewives, the head coach of Alabama Lou Saban and honestly say he hates everyone except white males. There is absolutely no reason why people should not be able to vote before the first debate if they have made up their mind. No debate has changed the outcome since the 60s and maybe the 70s.

No debate has changed the outcome since the 60s and maybe the 70s.

Tell that to Dem nominee Michael Bloomberg.

Thedebates did not hurt Bloomberg. It was his inability to win the black vote. When he went to a black church, the parishioners made their views known.

Churchgoers turn their backs on Bloomberg in protest during his remarks at service in Selma

A group of churchgoers turned their backs on Democratic presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg as he spoke at Brown Chapel AME Church, a historic black church in Selma, Ala., on Sunday.Foota…

thehill.com

The debates did not hurt Bloomberg.

Hilarious!!!

He was in second place before and irrelevent after the first debate.
Dropped out 2 weeks later.
Despite spending nearly a billion dollars.

Poll: Sanders Leads The Field, Bloomberg Qualifies For His 1st Debate

The survey by NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist gives the former New York mayor enough polls showing him over 10% nationally to be on stage for the next Democratic debate Wednesday in Nevada.

www.npr.org

Feb. 20, 2020 at 12:19 p.m. CST

It took only minutes for the pummeling of former New York mayor Mike Bloomberg to commence at Wednesday’s Democratic presidential debate. “I’d like to talk about who we’re running against, a billionaire who calls women ‘fat broads’ and ‘horse-faced lesbians,’” Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) declared. “And, no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump. I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/20/bloombergs-disastrous-debate-performance-capped-his-catastrophic-week/

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So now Trump's toadie in the US Post Office is actively trying to destroy it

And it was doing so well before.......DURR

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Ha, you forgot about the defunding process of the post office by Trump. Mail in will be a disaster if you defund and suppress the vote that way.

It will be a disaster regardless.

It will be a disaster regardless.

Sure. Republicans will see to that. It will be a shitstorm of convoluted and baseless lawsuits and recriminations as the real disaster is that republicans can't win a free and fair election.

 

[kaz]

It will be a disaster regardless.

Sure. Republicans will see to that. It will be a shitstorm of convoluted and baseless lawsuits and recriminations as the real disaster is that republicans can't win a free and fair election.

Leftists are full wing nut today. Is it a full moon?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Ha, you forgot about the defunding process of the post office by Trump. Mail in will be a disaster if you defund and suppress the vote that way.

It will be a disaster regardless.

Defunding the post office by Trump to suppress the vote is disastrous for voters. That's the only disaster there is.

They lost $2.2 billion in the 2nd quarter, without hundreds of millions of ballots being sent out.

Has nothing to do with it. Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time. And now they will go in over drive with it. They knew a long time ago, that Covid would bring on mail- in -voting. They have to stop it to suppress the vote. There is no legitimate reason to defund an institution that has been successful for decades other than to suppress the vote and feed the corporate elites.

Has nothing to do with it. Trump and the Republicans have been defunding the post office for a long time.

Sneaky how they stopped Clinton and Obama from funding it for 16 years, eh?

They have to stop it to suppress the vote. There is no legitimate reason to defund an institution that has been successful for decades

I know!!! And with a 20% failure rate on recent election mailings, what could go wrong?

how they stopped Clinton and Obama from funding it for 16 years, eh?

Uff...
The Gov't doesnt fund the USPS at all, dope.
Not a dime of tax money goes there.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It will be a disaster regardless.

Sure. Republicans will see to that. It will be a shitstorm of convoluted and baseless lawsuits and recriminations as the real disaster is that republicans can't win a free and fair election.

Leftists are full wing nut today. Is it a full moon?

Leftists are full wing nut today. Is it a full moon?

Nothing to say yet again? Such a loser.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

So the question to address in the thread: Should one party be able to unilaterally be able to change the basic rules of the game over the objections of the other party?

Yes, within reason. Voting is a matter controlled by the state within guidelines set by the U.S. Constitution. If both governor and legislature of the state are controlled by one political party then of course they have leeway to some extent on voting procedures. However, the judicial branch of government is there to act upon any objection based on injustice.

For example, I'm sure the Democrats would follow through with a lawsuit if the GOP here in Arizona had passed a law this past Spring requiring mail-in voting as the only means to vote in yesterday's primary and this November's general election. I'm pretty sure the court would agree that it disenfranchises a good number of Native-American voters living on reservations on roads with no names where mail delivery is problematic at best.

Thank you! One of the few people who made an actual attempt to answer the question.

My question doesn't really specify the Federal level. I wanted to point that out. I don't think new rules should be rammed down either party's throat against their objections at the State or Federal level.

If Democrats really believed in democracy, this is the last thing they would do. Think about it. Democracy relies on that when you lose, you accept the results because the process was fair.

Doesn't that bother you? That ballots are being mailed all the hell over and half the country thinks that's not a valid way to determine who won an election? It is just part of ending belief in the American system

Again these are not new rules. Nevada has had absentee balloting in place for a long time. Mail in balloting has been in place for some time. Worth noting that many stateas run by Republicans have refused to allow voters to even vote absentee without excuses. You are not concerned about the fact that Republicans are ignoring Democrats.

There is no evidence that ballots are beingt mailed willy nilly. A big majority support mail in balloting. You are in the clear minority.

OK, so just to be clear. Your standard is that if any Democrat anywhere agrees to something, that is binding on you that you agreed to it. That's what you're arguing. That's just stupid

You are stupid. Your whole argument is stupid. Nevada has had absentee balloting for some time. Mail in balloting is not that much different. They certainly have safeguards in place to prevent fraud.

You're an imbecile. The issue is not absentee ballots. The issue is mailing out unsolicited ballots.

Listen you stupid schmuck. You write one post after another that misses the point and doesn't address anything I said. If you're going to dump your bile allover the board, at least FOLLOW THE DISCUSSION.

I've only ever put one person on ignore for pure stupidity and having a complete and utter inability to follow a discussion or address anything that I actually said. That was DanielPalos on this board. You're becoming a candidate to be number two.

Write your stupid, moronic, leftist bile and I'll respond. But again, ADDRESS WHAT I SAID

You're an imbecile. The issue is not absentee ballots. The issue is mailing out unsolicited ballots

Yes, dope. Your imagined issues.