MAGA, Trump loyalist and the 2007 Tea Party

[Stryder50]

How would you label yourself - if you were inclined to, so people could understand better?

He could try this little quiz, but doubt he'd be honest with himself or those of us reading/posting here.
I've an idea what range he'd fall into.

 

[Billiejeens]

If the GOP was so great, there would only be them.



Trump is causing the infighting, dood. He's not cut spending, cut taxes/tariffs. He's not released all the Epstein files. He's not stopped bombing. The only real promise he's kept has been the borders.

Blaming us actual conservatives for the democrats gaining the majority back, is silly. All Trump had to do was what he said he'd do when he was campaigning.

Your lives are limited to trying to hold 95% of the party hostage for your fringe ideas.
You will never be helpful.

The majority will simply have disdain for you, which I think that you probably relish.

 

[Billiejeens]

He could try this little quiz, but doubt he'd be honest with himself or those of us reading/posting here.
I've an idea what range he'd fall into.

He's a far-right wing fringe extremist-

 

[YoursTruly]

Your lives are limited to trying to hold 95% of the party hostage for your fringe ideas.
You will never be helpful.

The majority will simply have disdain for you, which I think that you probably relish.

Fringe idea's?

Spending reductions
0 tariffs on the American consumers
No more wars
Release the Epstein files
No socialism

That's only fringe to you trans-MAGA's and RINO's.

 

[Billiejeens]

Fringe idea's?

Spending reductions
0 tariffs on the American consumers
No more wars
Release the Epstein files
No socialism

That's only fringe to you trans-MAGA's and RINO's.

if that were true -

You all would be dominating elections.
Are you?

 

[YoursTruly]

You and your antifa allies are the ones who think this is all a game, with only two teams playing.

If you have to lie to make a point, then you really don't have one. Do you.

BTW, Trump named antifa a terrorist organization. And has yet arrest any of them for being antifa.

 

[YoursTruly]

if that were true -

You all would be dominating elections.
Are you?

Not really. We're not the million/billionaire donors & lobbyist.

But the trans-MAGA republicans run on fiscal conservatism. Y'all are using what we actually support, to win elections.

 

[Billiejeens]

Fringe idea's?

Spending reductions
0 tariffs on the American consumers
No more wars
Release the Epstein files
No socialism

That's only fringe to you trans-MAGA's and RINO's.

There will never be overall spending reductions - you will die a completely disappointed dead soul
Tariffs are a tool - why would you want to limit what tools can be used to make the country stronger?
There are no wars
Epstein is not a political thing.
We don't have any socialism in the USA.

 

[Stryder50]

He's a far-right wing fringe extremist-

So far "Right" he's gone over to the Left.

 

[Stryder50]

Anarchy is complete freedom. Its literally the definition, ya big dummy.
Antifa? Do you have an original thought in your head?

There are several variations of the definition in most dictionaries.
The one that applies to the USA is the least government control versus individual choice balanced with respect and preservation of individual Rights.

You oppose this because your posts show you want to cram everyone into a single box, of your choice and definition.

 

[Stryder50]

If you have to lie to make a point, then you really don't have one. Do you.

BTW, Trump named antifa a terrorist organization. And has yet arrest any of them for being antifa.

So far ideology isn't a crime.
There have been arrests of those who have antifa affiliations and have engaged in riot, looting, assault, arson, insurrection, etc.
Not enough I'd admit.

 

[YoursTruly]

There will never be overall spending reductions - you will die a completely disappointed dead soul
Tariffs are a tool - why would you want to limit what tools can be used to make the country stronger?
There are no wars
Epstein is not a political thing.
We don't have any socialism in the USA.

Because you RINO's and democrats have the majority. DUH !!!!!!!!!!!

Tariffs are tax. A took used by the government to collect more money from US, and blame some other country.
Trump bombed 7 countries in this passed year. And we're headed for another bombing, possible war with Iran.
Trump made it political when he forced congress to pass a law (that he signed) about the Epstein files.
Yes, Under Trump, the government owns a % in some corporations now. That's 100% socialism.

Geezus, this is easy stuff. How TF do you keep falling for it? And making excuses.....

And for what? A left leaning Republican with a good sales pitch. You're clearly showing you don't know your political left from your right.

 

[Billiejeens]

Because you RINO's and democrats have the majority. DUH !!!!!!!!!!!

Tariffs are tax. A took used by the government to collect more money from US, and blame some other country.
Trump bombed 7 countries in this passed year. And we're headed for another bombing, possible war with Iran.
Trump made it political when he forced congress to pass a law (that he signed) about the Epstein files.
Yes, Under Trump, the government owns a % in some corporations now. That's 100% socialism.

Geezus, this is easy stuff. How TF do you keep falling for it? And making excuses.....

And for what? A left leaning Republican with a good sales pitch. You're clearly showing you don't know your political left from your right.

"Because you RINO's and democrats have the majority"


Why do you not have the majority?

 

[YoursTruly]

"Because you RINO's and democrats have the majority"


Why do you not have the majority?

Me and the other fiscal conservatives on this board are exactly where Trump said he'd be.

To answer your question, re read post #87. That's how you RINO's destroyed the tea Party. It's how y'all are destroying MAGA and the GOP. Big money, lobbyist, special interest. Millionaire and billionaire donors (like AIPAC) who'll get preferential treatment after the elections.

All based on some false pretense that the GOP is still fiscal & constitutional conservatives.

F&C conservatives don't lie and promise kicks backs for donations or favors. And for that, we don't receive a lot of corrupt money to run ad's.

 

[YoursTruly]

 

[Billiejeens]

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Literally no chance

(he has somehow Jedi-mind tricked a single district in Kentucky - but)

But if it happens - it happens.

 

[YoursTruly]

So far "Right" he's gone over to the Left.

Actually I'm in the same exact spot that conservatives were before Reagan. And several after Reagan. Y'all are just so far left, you think we're far right.

LMAO........ And y'all don't even know how you got there.

 

[Stryder50]

Anyone remember the 2007 Tea Party? A movement to stop the wars, stop all the excess spending, to make government smaller and more transparent. It was a good movement. That is, until those same type of republicans we opposed, infiltrated it and turned into the very opposite of what it started off as.
Within a year or 2, the big government Republicans had successfully co-opted the Tea Party. Changing the dynamics to be more "party loyalist." More pro war. Not concerned with the excessive borrowing and spending.
Basically destroying it from the inside out.

Trump loyalist are doing the same exact thing to MAGA. And for the same exact reasons. MAGA wanted almost the same exact thing as the 2007 Tea Party. Massive spending cuts. We wanted to stay out of foreign affairs. Stop funding foreign countries, including Israel. We wanted the Epstein files released.

Trump has massively increased spending. He's bombed 7 countries in 1 year. He had to be forced to release them. And still hasn't release 1/2 of them. And suspects names are still redacted. He ended DOGE.

It's been said that MAGA is just as strong today as it was in it's first year. And maybe they're right. Maybe that loyalty is rock solid. But I just think that the real MAGA people just aren't saying much about their disappointment.
It's a fact that if anyone in MAGA speaks out against Trump, the loyalist in MAGA will attack them. So it's just easier to not say anything and avoid fighting.

None the less, what happened to the 2007 Tea Party is happening to MAGA. And it'll end up exactly the same way. Dead and gone because the loyalist were louder. More obnoxious. More violent (even in their speech).

I'm still MAGA. But I oppose 75% of what Trump and his congressional Republicans are doing.

I decided I'd read through this thread before replying to this misinformed and erroneous OP. Just to see if any more accurate details would appear to substantiate the false claims here, or if more detailed rebuttal might be made.
Unfortunately, as often happens, things have veered off course ...
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I'll start with some excerpts from the Wiki 'page' on "the Tea Party" even though there are a few errors and omissions in it.
For one, many of us involved preferred "TEA Party" where TEA stood for Taxed Enough Already.
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EXCERPTS:
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The Tea Party movement was an American fiscally conservative political movement within the Republican Party that began in 2007, catapulted into the mainstream by Congressman Ron Paul's presidential campaign. The movement expanded in response to the policies of Democratic president Barack Obama and was a major factor in the 2010 wave election in which Republicans gained 63 House seats and took control of the U.S. House of Representatives.
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The Tea Party movement was popularly launched following a February 19, 2009, call by CNBC reporter Rick Santelli on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange for a "tea party". On February 20, 2009, The Nationwide Tea Party Coalition also helped launch the Tea Party movement via a conference call attended by around 50 conservative activists.Supporters of the movement subsequently had a major impact on the internal politics of the Republican Party. While the Tea Party was not a political party in the strict sense, research published in 2016 suggests that members of the Tea Party Caucus voted like a right-wing third party in Congress. A major force behind the movement was Americans for Prosperity (AFP), a conservative political advocacy group founded by businessman and political activist David Koch.
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Tea Party groups have also voiced support for right to work legislation as well as tighter border security and opposed amnesty for illegal immigrants.On the federal health care reform law, they began to work at the state level to nullify the law, after the Republican Party lost seats in Congress and the presidency in the 2012 elections.

They mobilized locally against the United Nations Agenda 21. They have protested the IRS for controversial treatment of groups with "tea party" in their names. They have formed Super PACs to support candidates sympathetic to their goals and have opposed what they call the "Republican establishment" candidates.

The Tea Party does not have a single uniform agenda. The decentralized character of the Tea Party, with its lack of formal structure or hierarchy, allows each autonomous group to set its own priorities and goals. Goals may conflict, and priorities will often differ between groups. Many Tea Party organizers see this as a strength rather than a weakness; decentralization has helped to immunize the Tea Party against co-opting by outside entities and corruption from within.

Even though the groups participating in the movement have a wide range of different goals, the Tea Party places its view of the Constitution at the center of its reform agenda. It urges the return of government as intended by some of the Founding Fathers. ...
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Organization​

The Tea Party movement is composed of a loose affiliation of national and local groups that determine their own platforms and agendas without central leadership. The Tea Party movement has both been cited as an example of grassroots political activity and has also been described as an example of corporate-funded activity made to appear as spontaneous community action, a practice known as "astroturfing". Other observers see the organization as having its grassroots element "amplified by the right-wing media", supported by elite funding.

The Tea Party movement is not a national political party; polls show that most Tea Partiers consider themselves to be Republicans. Commentators, including Gallup editor-in-chief Frank Newport, have suggested that the movement is not a new political group but simply a re-branding of traditional Republican candidates and policies. An October 2010 Washington Post canvass of local Tea Party organizers found 87% saying "dissatisfaction with mainstream Republican Party leaders" was "an important factor in the support the group has received so far".

Tea Party activists have expressed support for Republican politicians Sarah Palin, Dick Armey, Michele Bachmann, Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz. In July 2010, Bachmann formed the Tea Party Congressional Caucus; however, since July 16, 2012, the caucus has been defunct. An article in Politico reported that many Tea Party activists were skeptical of the caucus, seeing it as an effort by the Republican Party to hijack the movement. Utah congressman Jason Chaffetz refused to join the caucus, saying

Structure and formality are the exact opposite of what the Tea Party is, and if there is an attempt to put structure and formality around it, or to co-opt it by Washington, D.C., it's going to take away from the free-flowing nature of the true Tea Party movement.

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Tea Party movement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Color highlighting and bolding are my edit.

 

[Stryder50]

When I got involved in the local "Tea Party" back in 2009, we started with a couple of street protests where hundreds lined the major highway, but did not impede traffic or riot. Just held our placards and American flags - showing solidarity on the issues.
This was in Bellingham, Whatcom County, Washington State.

Several months later, we changed our "name" from "Whatcom Tea Party" to "Whatcom County Citizens for Freedom".
Our mission statement;

To reverse deficit spending and the concentration of power in central government, in order to preserve states' rights and individual liberty for future generations.

Within a couple of years many of the main members had moved on to other focused efforts, public office, convention political action/office, and/or businesses.

Shortly after we disbanded/dissolved our ".org".

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Anyone remember the 2007 Tea Party? A movement to stop the wars, stop all the excess spending, to make government smaller and more transparent. It was a good movement. That is, until those same type of republicans we opposed, infiltrated it and turned into the very opposite of what it started off as.
Within a year or 2, the big government Republicans had successfully co-opted the Tea Party. Changing the dynamics to be more "party loyalist." More pro war. Not concerned with the excessive borrowing and spending.
Basically destroying it from the inside out.

Trump loyalist are doing the same exact thing to MAGA. And for the same exact reasons. MAGA wanted almost the same exact thing as the 2007 Tea Party. Massive spending cuts. We wanted to stay out of foreign affairs. Stop funding foreign countries, including Israel. We wanted the Epstein files released.

Trump has massively increased spending. He's bombed 7 countries in 1 year. He had to be forced to release them. And still hasn't release 1/2 of them. And suspects names are still redacted. He ended DOGE.

It's been said that MAGA is just as strong today as it was in it's first year. And maybe they're right. Maybe that loyalty is rock solid. But I just think that the real MAGA people just aren't saying much about their disappointment.
It's a fact that if anyone in MAGA speaks out against Trump, the loyalist in MAGA will attack them. So it's just easier to not say anything and avoid fighting.

None the less, what happened to the 2007 Tea Party is happening to MAGA. And it'll end up exactly the same way. Dead and gone because the loyalist were louder. More obnoxious. More violent (even in their speech).

I'm still MAGA. But I oppose 75% of what Trump and his congressional Republicans are doing.

Trump is against most of the MAGA Agenda