MAGA and die hard Trump supporters..... The difference

[YoursTruly]

We are both fiscal hawks, but democrats are much worse than Republicans.
I assume you are using the CBO budget projections. I can improve the Trump budget deficit based on conservative CBO assumptions,
1. Tariff revenue should be about $400b if the Supreme Court doesn't **** it up
2. As the Fed cuts interest rates we save $300b for every 1% cut in rates. The Fed needs a major house cleaning...
3. DOGE savings could be $214b if congress cooperates
4. GDP should grow more than the 1.8%, at 3% tax revenues increase
5. IMHO Trump needs to eliminate the Capital Gains tax break, and raise the top rate to 40%, where it was under Reagan.

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1. If the RINO's would focus on increasing the value of the USD, instead of overinflating it with all their spending, we could put tariffs at zero. Because companies would could come back to the US and create jobs, without the government subsidizing them so much. FFS, $5 hr in China and Mexico is a great wage. $15hr here is a poverty wage. Why? Because our government has overinflated our currency. Where as Mexico, China and others have maintained their currency value.
This tariff BS is just a "subject change" to keep people from even thinking about the currency value. By the time Trump is done with this term, $25hr will be a poverty wage. And we'll continue to lose industry that doesn't get subsidized by the government. (IE the government picking winners and losers)

2. The fed cutting interest rates is a double edge sword. Less interest, the fewer countries buy our debt. Our biggest problem with the Fed is RINO's and democrats using is so much, for every thing under the sun.

3. Yeah well DOGE is under direct orders from Trump. Who'll be able to keep spending on what he wants, without DOGE calling him out on it. They'll focus on things the democrats did wrong. But totally ignore any fraud and abuse from the Trump administration. DOGE should investigate every dollar. Not jus the democrats dollars.

4 & 5. That's just tinkering and not addressing the actual problem. The government needs to stay TF out of the economy. It's not theirs to regulate. "We the People" do a much better job. The government never improves it. It's always "We the People" who have to suffer through the economic bust cycles that the government creates. We wad through it, keep the stores open and help protect the jobs. And when we finally get through all that (recession and economic downturns) some president gets all the credit for something he had almost nothing to do with.
Then he spends trillions more (borrowed), and initiate's the next economic down turn with the inflation he created from all that spending.

 

[YoursTruly]

You can self-identify however you want.
It doesn't make it reality.

^^^ Childish jab. Trump would be proud.

 

[Stryder50]

The equivocation position oh they are all just the same. Thats not just an amoral position but its also ignorant. Israel has never started a war with Islam. Islam has attacked Israel every time. The Muslims use children as human shields. Israel does everything to avoid harming them. Thats all the same to you right. Islam targets civilians. Israel avoids harming them.
So its been established you lack a moral foundation and have no idea about the history of the Middle East or how it effects the world.
It has been the goal first by Egypt under Nasser and today Iran to dominate ther Middle east and control the worlds oil. Imagine a theocracy genocidal barbaric and oppressive ;like Iran with unlimited wealth and nuclear bombs. You do know rape is legal in Iran.
Its hard to think anyone can be born this dumb. One has to be taught to think like you.

Goes back @ 1400 years, to Muhammad and his 'Satanic versus'=Koran.
Two factoids of Islam, either unknown to many and overlooked by Islamophiles.
1) Muhammad claimed he was commanded by Allah to fight all men(humans) until all of humanity accepted Allah/Islam. The whole world, all of humanity must be converted. Until then, the forever "holy" war - Jihad will continue.

No Allah - No Peace
Know Allah - Know Peace

2) Islamic Paradise/Heaven is many levels/layers.
Quiet, peaceful, non-violent Muslims will get the basement level.
Higher levels, greater "accommodations" and more rewards* are for the Holy Warriors, the more they kill and enslave the higher their penthouse, the more the other rewards**.

* One of those rewards oft mentioned is the "70 virgins" implying young nubile women ...
** ... pederasty being a centuries old and current Arab custom, those "virgins" also include plenty of little boys.

 

[Billiejeens]

^^^ Childish jab. Trump would be proud.

How is that a jab?

 

[Stryder50]

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Um...no.

You all voted for a traitor who attempted to overthrow our democracy.

It does not get more diehard than that.

You can't try to distance yourself from that now that you are finally seeing your massive mistake.

Sorry.

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Says the voice(s) that supported, encouraged the months long insurrections and riots in scores of USA cities during Summer 2020 seeking to set off a second Civil War in this nation by declaring "autonomy"(= above the Law), secession, attacking Federal Buildings and Officers, and undermining the Constitution, while thwarting the election process.

You commies and anarchists sure are full of krap, komrade.

You antifa take diehard to a stratospheric level.

 

[YoursTruly]

How is that a jab?

 

[kyzr]

1. If the RINO's would focus on increasing the value of the USD, instead of over-inflating it with all their spending, we could put tariffs at zero. Because companies would could come back to the US and create jobs, without the government subsidizing them so much. FFS, $5 hr in China and Mexico is a great wage. $15hr here is a poverty wage. Why? Because our government has overinflated our currency. Where as Mexico, China and others have maintained their currency value.
This tariff BS is just a "subject change" to keep people from even thinking about the currency value. By the time Trump is done with this term, $25hr will be a poverty wage. And we'll continue to lose industry that doesn't get subsidized by the government. (IE the government picking winners and losers)

I'm not sure RINOs control the value of the USD as much as Fed policy does. We need Powell replaced ASAP
We disagree on tariffs vs devaluing currencies. Tariffs got $17T in new capital here, plus $400b in new revenue.

I object to "give-away" subsidies. I prefer buying stock and keeping the stock in a new "Sovereign Fund", getting some value.

2. The fed cutting interest rates is a double edge sword. Less interest, the fewer countries buy our debt. Our biggest problem with the Fed is RINO's and democrats using is so much, for every thing under the sun.

Agreed, especially Pocahontas' CFPB, and building a new $2.5b palace.

3. Yeah well DOGE is under direct orders from Trump. Who'll be able to keep spending on what he wants, without DOGE calling him out on it. They'll focus on things the democrats did wrong. But totally ignore any fraud and abuse from the Trump administration. DOGE should investigate every dollar. Not just the democrats dollars.

agreed. democrats and IGs are supposed to be watching, you know they are.

4 & 5. That's just tinkering and not addressing the actual problem. The government needs to stay TF out of the economy. It's not theirs to regulate. "We the People" do a much better job. The government never improves it. It's always "We the People" who have to suffer through the economic bust cycles that the government creates. We wade through it, keep the stores open and help protect the jobs. And when we finally get through all that (recession and economic downturns) some president gets all the credit for something he had nothing to do with.
Then he spends trillions more (borrowed), and initiate's the next economic down turn with the inflation he created from all that spending.

I don't see your complaints as against Trump, I see them all against democrats.
Trump cuts regulations. It took 10 years to get a permit before Trump, now it takes two weeks, especially for mining and processing rare earth metals.

Democrats have the horrible policies. The "war on energy", the "green new deal", DEI, woke, 1619 Project, CRT, not to mention the explosion of entitlements, open borders, no cash bail, Lawfare, 87,000 IRS agents "willing to kill", EV tanks, no new pipelines, no KeystoneXL, etc.

 

[Lockback]

And if you haven't noticed, we have a social and corporate welfare state. We're the worlds police. We're $38 trillion in debt. Our government is supporting way too much socialism (R & D's both).

Someone mentioned that our government is like Thelma and Louise, driving us off a cliff. And the Trump supporters are focused on how good Trump's driving is.

The point, we don't have to go back. We just need to stop letting the RINO's attack FC's. Start supporting the FC's. Start electing FC's based off merit. And if they cave once elected, oppose TF out of them.

Trump proved he was a big spending, big government RINO in his first term. He should've been kicked out of the RNC and not allowed within 100 miles of DC or the RNC headquarters.

Trump never claimed to be a conservative. We all knew that when he won the nomination and then the presidency.
Besides for all the so-called conservatives in the old Republican Party, I remember a whole lot of 'em who spent like drunken sailors and got us involved in every damn war you can imagine. It was time for a change. And Trump understands the culture war better than almost any other Republican. Ultimately, that's more important to me than all the fiscal and foreign policy stuff.

 

[dblack]

Trump never claimed to be a conservative. We all knew that when he won the nomination and then the presidency.
Besides for all the so-called conservatives, in the old Republican Party, I remember a whole lot of 'em who spent like drunken sailors and got us involved in every damn war you can imagine. It was time for a change. And Trump understands the culture war better than almost any other Republican. Ultimately, that's more important to me than all the fiscal and foreign policy stuff.

The culture war is killing us.

 

[whitehall]

Democrats and commie hate mongering jihadists? No difference

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You can self-identify however you want.
It doesn't make it reality.

Proof that Quentin Tarantino had discovered the source of these Muzziphiles:

 

[Stryder50]

Defund the RichKid Reich. Only Then Will Its Snobbery Cease to Dominate America.

HOW ?

History has shown each time such just results in a new and different batch being the RichKid Reich.

A snobbery that dominates all nations, not just America.

 

[YoursTruly]

Trump never claimed to be a conservative. We all knew that when he won the nomination and then the presidency.
Besides for all the so-called conservatives in the old Republican Party, I remember a whole lot of 'em who spent like drunken sailors and got us involved in every damn war you can imagine. It was time for a change. And Trump understands the culture war better than almost any other Republican. Ultimately, that's more important to me than all the fiscal and foreign policy stuff.

Who cares what he "claimed." He campaigned on fiscal conservative actions.

The fiscal stuff affects every American consumer. It affects every job, every grocery and gas price. It affects every dollar that every American has.

If/when this country collapses, it'll be because of the "fiscal stuff."

 

[Stryder50]

Plus, just a post up she showed total contempt for Jews by saying “they deny the divinity of Christ” and that she would have less of a problem with Israel if “it were a Christian nation that shared American values.”

And we’re supposed to believe this Israel-hater, who is peddling lies about Israel, is unrelated to her antisemitism?

More a cause of being another pro-Islamic Jihad mouthpiece of pravda.

 

[Stryder50]

Who cares what he "claimed." He campaigned on fiscal conservative actions.

The fiscal stuff affects every American consumer. It affects every job, every grocery and gas price. It affects every dollar that every American has.

If/when this country collapses, it'll be because of the "fiscal stuff."

As mismanaged by the antifa and dimbocrat idiots like yourself.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There is no reasoning with Israel First "MAGA" Imposters. They want to use "MAGA" as a springboard to achieve their own goals for a foreign nation, which do not align with ours. The Muslims in the Middle East are fanatics, while Israel is just the same. Not our war! America first.

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[YoursTruly]

I'm not sure RINOs control the value of the USD as much as Fed policy does. We need Powell replaced ASAP

Because the RINO's in congress controls the purse strings. And Trump signs every massive spending bill into law.
They grow the debt. Grow the deficit. Grow the debt ceiling.
This is what helps create inflation and destroys the USD value. And severely hurts the economy. Especially the economic recovery.

We disagree on tariffs vs devaluing currencies. Tariffs got $17T in new capital here, plus $400b in new revenue.
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I object to "give-away" subsidies. I prefer buying stock and keeping the stock in a new "Sovereign Fund", getting some value.

China doesn't devalue their currency. They simply keep their currency stable. They just don't over inflate it like our government does ours. Their prices and wages increase in small increments. As our should.

China devaluing their currency is just US political rhetoric. They can say this, because most people don't understand it.

Agreed, especially Pocahontas' CFPB, and building a new $2.5b palace.

That and a whole bunch of other BS that both sides spend. Trump funded "gender studies." Most of that USAID crap that Elon & DOGE found, was being funded in Trumps first administration.

agreed. democrats and IGs are supposed to be watching, you know they are.

Did you forget that the GOP has the trifecta now? Are you not allowed to call out their waste, fraud and over spending?

I don't see your complaints as against Trump, I see them all against democrats.
Trump cuts regulations. It took 10 years to get a permit before Trump, now it takes two weeks, especially for mining and processing rare earth metals.

Democrats have the horrible policies. The "war on energy", the "green new deal", DEI, woke, 1619 Project, CRT, not to mention the explosion of entitlements, open borders, no cash bail, Lawfare, 87,000 IRS agents "willing to kill", EV tanks, no new pipelines, no KeystoneXL, etc.

You're making out like I'm some sort of democrat supporter. And I'm NOT going to allow you to run with that false narrative. Again, I do not support any big spending, big government polities or politicians. Regardless of what party they're affiliated with.

But as someone who politically leans further right than 95% of republicans, I say we need to get our own fiscal house in order. Then we'll have something to say about how bad the democrats are. Atm, I don't even care about the democrats. What they say or what they do, because they're in the minority. And our own GOP is leaning way further left than they campaigned on.

GOP voters need to pull the party back right of center.

They're driving us off a cliff, and their supporters are bragging about how good of a driver they are.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Israel is just another nation. No more special than Mongolia, Uruguay, Tanganyika, or Uzbekistan. What the others have over Israel is that they aren't sponges for huge amounts of US taxpayer's money.

Netanyahu Is the Churchill of the Middle East

We funded the formerly Great Britain before our self-centered, cowardly, and Hitler-financing WASP tyranny let us get into the war. Forty thousand British civilians died holding the line until we could take on the Fascists. The situation in Israel is no different from that.

 

[YoursTruly]

^^^ From Way Down Under the Deep Blue Sea, Osama bin Laden Approves of This Message

Stop acting like JanetTheGreat supports Muslims or Islam. That's a lame jab, dude.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Israel is a secular nation hiding behind a veil of religion.
If you want to go the religious direction, they were given their messiah, and have rejected him for 2000 years.

A Hebrew Messiah Would Have Liberated His People, Like Moses Did

With that self-righteous Christofascism, you have to condemn all Catholics for not joining the Protestant Reformation. In fact, whatever your denomination is, you have to condemn every other Protestant denomination, too, for heresy. That's how you get your kicks from what is otherwise and boring and self-oppressing doctrine.