MAGA and die hard Trump supporters..... The difference

[Lisa558]

I don't think I have ever met or have seen a post from a 'die hard Trump supporter.' Where do you find people like that?

I know a LOT of MAGAs though who support President Trump's vision of a free, secure, prosperous America with maximum reasonable liberty, choices, options, opportunities for all Americans and who push back on the dishonest propaganda and hate speech that attempts to dishonestly accuse and demonize the President and take away his significant accomplishments.

That MAGAs don't buy into the dishonest and hateful propaganda from the left doesn't make them 'die hard' about anything.

Just between you and me, I’m not even sure what a MAGA is. Leftists use it as a slur.

What’s wrong with wanting to make America great again?

• To want to go back to an educational system that prioritizes foundational academics over “social justice”?
• To want to select people for jobs and promotions based on who is most qualified, not by checking identity politics boxes?
• To want to put the interests (and safety!) of law-abiding citizens over violent criminals?
• To want to deport illegals aliens who are harming the neighborhoods where they settle, and support our law enforcement carrying out their duties rather than positing them as “the Gestapo”?
• To want people to work for a living, if able, instead of enabling government dependence that gets passed down from one generation to another?
• To want to keep books on oral sex and homosexuality out of elementary school libraries?

 

[JWBooth]

Israel has a lot of socialism. A national healthcare plan. And that $4 billion+ we give him helps to pay for that socialism.
Not to mention the fact that Judaism is closer to Islam than Christianity. FFS, they don't even believe Jesus is the son of god.

There's some deep rooted swamp stuff going on with Israel. And I highly doubt it has anything to do with their so called democracy, religion or location in the middle east.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The Israel issue boils down to both sides being theocratic fascists intent on killing each other. Israel, and the nations that surround them are the same. Both radical theocrats slugging it out while innocents on both sides die for it.

The US should produce its own oil and not have restrictions. We need to be self reliant and be energy independent.

The Jewish Homeland Has Always Been a Decoy to Sidetrack Islamic World Domination

How can you listen to what the hired Foreign Policy pundits say about the Middle East? Their shallow thinking is why we were caught flat-footed on 9/11. They should have known when, where, how, and why that inevitable attack would take place.

Americans should be the ones saying, "Never Again!" to these elevated Diploma Dumbos and their narrow-minded conformity. The I in the CIA stands for ego, not intelligence. Who has made us such mind-slave authority-worshippers?

 

[Lockback]

Just between you and me, I’m not even sure what a MAGA is. Leftists use it as a slur.

What’s wrong with wanting to make America great again?

• To want to go back to an educational system that prioritizes foundational academics over “social justice”?
• To want to select people for jobs and promotions based on who is most qualified, not by checking identity politics boxes?
• To want to put the interests (and safety!) of law-abiding citizens over violent criminals?
• To want to deport illegals aliens who are harming the neighborhoods where they settle, and support our law enforcement carrying out their duties rather than positing them as “the Gestapo”?
• To want people to work for a living, if able, instead of enabling government dependence that gets passed down from one generation to another?
• To want to keep books on oral sex and homosexuality out of elementary school libraries?

"Game, set, match to Lisa558 ..."

 

[YoursTruly]

1. The BBB cut $1.5T off Biden's last budget
2. Trump's tariffs are raising $400b in new revenue
3. DOGE cut $214b of government waste
4. Trump and the GOP are cutting fraud in entitlements that exploded under Biden
5. If you think Trump is a big spender look at these from the democrats, can congress claw this $400b back?

Exclusive | $375B EPA slush fund handled by John Podesta gave billions to charities founded only months earlier

The EPA gave out $20 billion to environmental justice and green credit groups that had barely registered with the IRS.

nypost.com

Administrator Zeldin Terminates Biden-Harris $20B 'Gold Bar' Grants | US EPA

EPA News Release: Administrator Zeldin Terminates Biden-Harris $20B 'Gold Bar' Grants

www.epa.gov

Biden sent $2 billion to Stacey Abrams-linked group in green energy 'scheme,' EPA says

The Environmental Protection Agency found that the Biden administration gave $2 billion to a climate group linked to Stacey Abrams.

www.foxnews.com

The $42 billion internet program that has connected 0 people

The federal BEAD program makes little sense with the rate of private markets providing internet access.

www.washingtonpolicy.org

1. Spending increased..... FFS, this is easy stuff. They add $3 trillion to a spending bill, then cut $1.5 trillion. And then brag about cutting $1.5 trillion.
2. $214 B from US consumers. Generating government revenue from us.
3. To a point. But when Elon started looking into the Big Beautiful Behemoth, and all the massive waste, he got forced out. I'm all for cutting waste and fraud. But putting the money saved into other wasteful things, isn't right. Neither is putting that money into forms of socialism. Like funding universities. Buying a % of a private company. Giving it to Israel or Africa.
4. Since 1980, Republicans have spent more money and increased the debt ceiling more times than the democrats have. Trump spent almost as much in 4 years as Obama did in 8. So don't talk to me about spending.

I don't support big spending politicians from either party.

 

[Foxfyre]

Just between you and me, I’m not even sure what a MAGA is. Leftists use it as a slur.

What’s wrong with wanting to make America great again?

• To want to go back to an educational system that prioritizes foundational academics over “social justice”?
• To want to select people for jobs and promotions based on who is most qualified, not by checking identity politics boxes?
• To want to put the interests (and safety!) of law-abiding citizens over violent criminals?
• To want to deport illegals aliens who are harming the neighborhoods where they settle, and support our law enforcement carrying out their duties rather than positing them as “the Gestapo”?
• To want people to work for a living, if able, instead of enabling government dependence that gets passed down from one generation to another?
• To want to keep books on oral sex and homosexuality out of elementary school libraries?

MAGAs are just people though they are people who love America and Americans. I don't imagine there are many, if any, MAGAs who would likely list the exact same priorities in the same order most important to least important to them. Some would put the economy first, some education, some immigration/secure border, individual liberties, etc.

But with varying degrees of passion, all share the same MAGA vision that President Trump and his team are working for, i.e. a strong, secure, prosperous America with maximum reasonable liberty, choices, options, opportunity for all Americans. That includes restoration of America's proven values, principles, ideals that made this the greatest nation the world has ever known.

The goal is to make America great again.

You, Lisa, are definitely a MAGA person whether or not you define yourself that way.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I'm all for the America First thing. Seriously.
But I don't think that means, "America First. Allies Immediately Forgotten. So Sorry."

Chickenhawks First! Anti-Draft Traitors and Cowards First! Antisemites First! Ignore World History First!

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

(Moreso as his dementia advanced.) Same with Kamala.

Kamalekite

 

[YoursTruly]

Well, that's all well and good but we haven't lived in that world since, oh, about Woodrow Wilson. Or maybe as late as Eisenhower in the Fifties. But even then we were diddling other countries and expanding the welfare state. You've gotta go back a long, long way to capture the America that you - and I - would love to have back.

And if you haven't noticed, we have a social and corporate welfare state. We're the worlds police. We're $38 trillion in debt. Our government is supporting way too much socialism (R & D's both).

Someone mentioned that our government is like Thelma and Louise, driving us off a cliff. And the Trump supporters are focused on how good Trump's driving is.

The point, we don't have to go back. We just need to stop letting the RINO's attack FC's. Start supporting the FC's. Start electing FC's based off merit. And if they cave once elected, oppose TF out of them.

Trump proved he was a big spending, big government RINO in his first term. He should've been kicked out of the RNC and not allowed within 100 miles of DC or the RNC headquarters.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There is this dominating elitist arrogant attitude that if you aren't a one and only professional (career)focused person (and from the "right" college, fraternity/sorority, cultural class, etc.) you have no right to be in elected office or running government.

How dare you common riff-raff deplorables think you should have any Rights or be allowed to run anything, choose your leaders, etc.

Defund the RichKid Reich. Only Then Will Its Snobbery Cease to Dominate America.

 

[kyzr]

1. Spending increased, this is easy stuff. They add $3 trillion to a spending bill, then cut $1.5 trillion. And then brag about cutting $1.5 trillion.

See CBO $240b annual deficit below.

2. $214 B from US consumers. Generating government revenue from us.
3. To a point. But when Elon started looking into the Big Beautiful Behemoth, and all the massive waste, he got forced out. I'm all for cutting waste and fraud. But putting the money saved into other wasteful things, isn't right. Neither is putting that money into forms of socialism. Like funding universities. Buying a % of a private company. Giving it to Israel or Africa.
4. Since 1980, Republicans have spent more money and increased the debt ceiling more times than the democrats have. Trump spent almost as much in 4 years as Obama did in 8. So don't talk to me about spending. I don't support big spending politicians from either party.

We are both fiscal hawks, but democrats are much worse than Republicans.
I assume you are using the 2026 CBO budget projections? (link below)
I can improve the Trump $240b budget deficit (NOT $1.5T) based on conservative CBO assumptions,
1. Tariff revenue should be about $400b if the Supreme Court doesn't **** it up
2. As the Fed cuts interest rates we save $300b for every 1% cut in rates. The Fed needs a major house cleaning...
3. DOGE savings could be $214b if congress cooperates
4. GDP should grow more than the 1.8%, at 3% tax revenues increase
5. IMHO Trump needs to eliminate the Capital Gains tax break, and raise the top rate to 40%, where it was under Reagan.

Trump tax bill would widen deficits by $2.8T after factoring in economic impacts, CBO says

President Donald Trump’s tax and budget bill would increase deficits by $2.8 trillion over the next decade after factoring in other economic effects.

apnews.com

The CBO released its static scoring analysis earlier this month, estimating that Trump’s bill would unleash trillions in tax cuts and slash spending, but also increase deficits by $2.4 trillion over the decade and leave some 10.9 million more people without health insurance.

 

[Billiejeens]

I am against the state of Israel and their policies. Not the lives of un-involved Jews. Not all Jews approve of Israel's policies. Opposing Israel is not the same as being against all Jews.

You can self-identify however you want.
It doesn't make it reality.

 

[Billiejeens]

Yep, among a few others.
I like James Webb, former Secretary of the Navy and Senator.
He was rational. Tough. And smart.
Therefore, he had absolutely no chance of moving high up in the Democrat Party. They prefer demagogues and weaklings.

Still a Democrat
Therefore, No Bueno.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Once again, the Left has successfully peddled a complete ******* lie.
They're pros at it. They learned from the best.

High-Society Socialist

Lenin's powerful father had been elevated to the hereditary nobility. That's the only reason he had a "Born to Rule" attitude. Leftism and Rightism are irrelevant; our only future is in abolishing the privileges of the birth-class both come from.

 

[Lisa558]

MAGAs are just people though they are people who love America and Americans. I don't imagine there are many, if any, MAGAs who would likely list the exact same priorities in the same order most important to least important to them. Some would put the economy first, some education, some immigration/secure border, individual liberties, etc.

But with varying degrees of passion, all share the same MAGA vision that President Trump and his team are working for, i.e. a strong, secure, prosperous America with maximum reasonable liberty, choices, options, opportunity for all Americans. That includes restoration of America's proven values, principles, ideals that made this the greatest nation the world has ever known.

The goal is to make America great again.

You, Lisa, are definitely a MAGA person whether or not you define yourself that way.

And that’s a compliment!

 

[Lisa558]

You can self-identify however you want.
It doesn't make it reality.

Plus, just a post up she showed total contempt for Jews by saying “they deny the divinity of Christ” and that she would have less of a problem with Israel if “it were a Christian nation that shared American values.”

And we’re supposed to believe this Israel-hater, who is peddling lies about Israel, is unrelated to her antisemitism?

 

[dblack]

I think he could have fielded a larger win over Harris, if Trump didn't run for a Second Term and gave his blessing to DeSantis. Perhaps it would have been for the best.

DeSantis has played too many culture war pranks for my taste. And, like Trump, he's all too willing to use he power of the state to punish political opponents. His answer to stupid liberal policies is stupid conservative policies.

 

[Billiejeens]

DeSantis has played too many culture war pranks for my taste. And, like Trump, he's all too willing to use he power of the state to punish political opponents. His answer to stupid liberal policies is stupid conservative policies.

Gotta go 5th party.

 

[Lockback]

Still a Democrat
Therefore, No Bueno.

True. But at one time maybe the only one I would have even considered voting for.

 

[Hafar1014]

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Um...no.

You all voted for a traitor who attempted to overthrow our democracy.

It does not get more diehard than that.

You can't try to distance yourself from that now that you are finally seeing your massive mistake.

Sorry.

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Trump is doing a fantastic job cleaning up Bidens mess