Zone1 Lucifer's replacement theology

[HaShev]

yikes, I didn't notice that before:
Romans 10 is hugely problematic in the "end of righteousness through the fallen christ" part as being a dead give away this is adversarial (satanic) teachings.
2Sa 22:25 Therefore the LORD hath recompensed me according to my righteousness; according to my cleanness
in his eye sight.
Psa 7:8 The LORD shall judge the people; judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity[that is] in me.

(via iconograph symbolism) Remember it is Lucifer trying in unjust cheating fashion tipping the scales of judgement.
In the Romans 10 verse we see him placing himself over the judgement of one's scale of righteousness. This in reality is in how people judge people through affiliation in the cult of Jesus rather than their rights and wrongs of their actions, sort of like how Dems judge by party affiliation rather than their corrupt natures.

 

[Clyde 154]

yikes, I didn't notice that before:
Romans 10 is hugely problematic in the "end of righteousness through the fallen christ" part as being a dead give away this is adversarial (satanic) teachings.
2Sa 22:25 Therefore the LORD hath recompensed me according to my righteousness; according to my cleanness
in his eye sight.
Psa 7:8 The LORD shall judge the people; judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity[that is] in me.

(via iconograph symbolism) Remember it is Lucifer trying in unjust cheating fashion tipping the scales of judgement.
In the Romans 10 verse we see him placing himself over the judgement of one's scale of righteousness. This in reality is in how people judge people through affiliation in the cult of Jesus rather than their rights and wrongs of their actions, sort of like how Dems judge by party affiliation rather than their corrupt natures.

The prophets explain that God would allow a New Covenant unlike the Law and the prophets......based upon laws written on the heart instead of on stone. (Jer. 31:31-34)

The Law has no remedy for sin.........the Law required annual burnt offerings made to the Royal Priesthood of Levites...these sacrifices carried sin over to next season. Jesus Christ is the only remedy for sin (Heb. 10:4)


The Apostle Paul is simply explaining the difference between the Law (of Moses) and the prophets and the New Testament of Christ Jesus. Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law that depended upon the walking by the letter of the law......Paul explains that Jesus took upon Himself all the righteous conditions of the Law (being the only Son of Man to walk His entire life under the terms of the LAW and the PROPHETS.....sin free (Gal. 4:4, Heb. 4:15) making Himself the perfect sacrificial lamb (snow white, free from sin) required to complete/make whole all the required conditions of the law, fulfilling the contract between man and God.........now Jesus stands in place of our sin, between God and our sin, now God sees everyone that has the faith as clean. Jesus took upon Himself the sins of the world, Jew and Gentile alike (1 Peter 2:25)

None of the righteousness of the LAW was taken away and replaced (Matthew 5:17-18).............it was fulfilled. Paul explains salvation is the same for everyone, Jew and Gentile. (Gal. 3:28-29). The problem as explained by Paul is the fact that the majority of the Jews simply refuse to accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah of prophecy.........when anyone professes to live by THE LAW they must actually live by the letter of the Law (or be guilty of all and face the consequences (Romans 2:12)........goats and bulls are no longer acceptable sacrifices after the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus.) -- Heb. 10:4

Jesus Christ is our advocate standing in for our sin..........He is our High Priest that must be approached to forgive sin.....replacing the Levites who depended upon the burnt sacrifices of animals. (Hebrews 7:11-21, 1 John 2:1)

 

[HaShev]

The prophets explain that God would allow a New Covenant unlike the Law and the prophets......based upon laws written on the heart instead of on stone. (Jer. 31:31-34)

The Law has no remedy for sin.........the Law required annual burnt offerings made to the Royal Priesthood of Levites...these sacrifices carried sin over to next season. Jesus Christ is the only remedy for sin (Heb. 10:4)


The Apostle Paul is simply explaining the difference between the Law (of Moses) and the prophets and the New Testament of Christ Jesus. Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law that depended upon the walking by the letter of the law......Paul explains that Jesus took upon Himself all the righteous conditions of the Law (being the only Son of Man to walk His entire life under the terms of the LAW and the PROPHETS.....sin free (Gal. 4:4, Heb. 4:15) making Himself the perfect sacrificial lamb (snow white, free from sin) required to complete/make whole all the required conditions of the law, fulfilling the contract between man and God.........now Jesus stands in place of our sin, between God and our sin, now God sees everyone that has the faith as clean. Jesus took upon Himself the sins of the world, Jew and Gentile alike (1 Peter 2:25)

None of the righteousness of the LAW was taken away and replaced (Matthew 5:17-18).............it was fulfilled. Paul explains salvation is the same for everyone, Jew and Gentile. (Gal. 3:28-29). The problem as explained by Paul is the fact that the majority of the Jews simply refuse to accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah of prophecy.........when anyone professes to live by THE LAW they must actually live by the letter of the Law (or be guilty of all and face the consequences (Romans 2:12)........goats and bulls are no longer acceptable sacrifices after the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus.) -- Heb. 10:4

Jesus Christ is our advocate standing in for our sin..........He is our High Priest that must be approached to forgive sin.....replacing the Levites who depended upon the burnt sacrifices of animals. (Hebrews 7:11-21, 1 John 2:1)

Thanks for your take, but the righteousness is pretty clear and is not talking about just the law, but what is right & wrong- good or evil aka what is righteous and unrighteous.
You are describing an excuse of sin that validates my OP.
You have a free get away with sin card called gang afilliation that serves no ability to prevent sins, thus our jails are filled with people with cross tattoos, necklaces, and earings. There's been thousands of wars and over 50 million murders in this theology hence lucifer tips the scales where you become unsuspecting on the true weight of the deeds.
Hosea 14:3 , I Samuel 15:22 ,Ezekiel 33:11 , Isaiah 55:7 & Jeremiah 36:3 about the Teshuva

There are MANY means of atonement for sins. 1. Monetary (Ex 30:15) 2. Restitution (Leviticus 5:16, Numbers 5:8) 3. Incense (Numbers 16:47) 4. Loyalty and faithfulness (Proverbs 16:6)5. Jewlery (Numbers 31:50) 6. Prayer (I Kings 8 :46-53, Hosea 14:1-2, Psalm 141:2) 7. Repentance (Hosea 14:3 , I Samuel 15:22 , Isaiah 55:7 , I Kings 8 :46-53, Ezkeiel 18:21-23, 33:11,14-16, Jeremiah 36:3)

attoning for sins is not in blood
Hosea chapter 14 verses 2-3

Ezekiel condemns the doctrine that a righteous man can die for the sins of the wicked. Vicarious atonement is condemned throughout by Ezekiel.

In conclusion: claiming to remove righteousness while leaving unrighteous behavior (like antisemitism running rampant by zealots) does not a functioning society make.
Melchizedek (seen as Michael the arch Malakh) was the messenger and king of Righteousness, not the removal of righteousness. If an idol is claimed the removal of righteousness then they are claiming themselves the nemesis of the Top Messenger, making them claiming to be Lucifer.

[See Lucifer here etymology of "": "[ the morning star, a fallen rebel archangel, THE Devil, fr. OE. fr. Latin, the morning star, fr. Lucifer light-bearing, fr. luc light + -fer -ferous--more at LIGHT]" (Webster's, p.677)

“So we have the prophetic message more fully confirmed. You will do well to be attentive to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star (LUCIFER)rises in your hearts.” -- 2 Peter 1:19
“... from my Father. To the one who conquers(DESTROYS) I will also give the morning star(LUCIFER).” -- Revelation 2:28
· Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things in the churches.
· I am the bright and Morning Star (lucifer)

 

[theHawk]

You have a free get away with sin card called gang afilliation that serves no ability to prevent sins, thus our jails are filled with people with cross tattoos, necklaces, and earings

You mean like how only Jews are “God’s chosen people”?

Rather hilarious a Jew would complain about a “get away with sin card”. Scapegoat?

 

[theHawk]

There are MANY means of atonement for sins. 1. Monetary (Ex 30:15) 2. Restitution (Leviticus 5:16, Numbers 5:8) 3. Incense (Numbers 16:47) 4. Loyalty and faithfulness (Proverbs 16:6)5. Jewlery (Numbers 31:50) 6. Prayer (I Kings 8 :46-53, Hosea 14:1-2, Psalm 141:2) 7. Repentance (Hosea 14:3 , I Samuel 15:22 , Isaiah 55:7 , I Kings 8 :46-53, Ezkeiel 18:21-23, 33:11,14-16, Jeremiah 36:3)

The wages of sin is death.

These atonements and offerings are for a temporary reprieve.

Why didn’t the ancient Israelites believe that when good people died they went to heaven? They all went to Sheol, the good and the bad(Eccl 9:2-3). This is because all their sins hadn’t actually been paid for yet. The good ones were spared the pains of hell, the place of torment. But they were still in the dark and gloomy place of Sheol(Job 10:21), barred and not able to get out. Once Jesus died on the cross and descended into Sheol, only he had the power to open the doors to heaven for all those souls. The ransom had then been paid, for all the souls that were held there, and for all future believers who partake in the New Covenant.


Since then, heaven is open for the righteous. Until the end of the age and the second coming of Christ, then the dead will be resurrected.


Isaiah 26
19 But your dead will live
and their bodies will rise again.

God will also destroy death itself forever:
Isaiah 25
8 he will destroy death forever.
Then the Lord God will wipe away
the tears from every face,
and from the entire earth he will remove
the shame of all his people;
for the Lord has spoken.
9 It will be said on that day,
“Behold, this is our God;
in him we place our hope for deliverance.
This is the Lord for whom we have waited;
let us rejoice and be glad that he has saved us.”

Why would Jews need to wait for this day to be saved if their animal sacrifices completely atone for their sins?

 

[theHawk]

Melchizedek (seen as Michael the arch Malakh) was the messenger and king of Righteousness, not the removal of righteousness

LOL, what is this, “The Hebrew Book of Enoch” nonsense?

Melchizedek was a human king of Salem, and a High Priest of God. (Gen 14:18)

The Messiah would be a “Preist forever in the manner of Melchizedek” (Psalm 110:4)
He brought Abram wine and bread and blessed him.


By the way, can you explain why Psalm 110:1 the Lord speaks to the Lord?

1 A psalm of David.

The Lord says to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I have made your enemies a footstool for you.”

And don’t try to claim adoni is not referring to God.

 

[ding]

yikes, I didn't notice that before:
Romans 10 is hugely problematic in the "end of righteousness through the fallen christ" part as being a dead give away this is adversarial (satanic) teachings.
2Sa 22:25 Therefore the LORD hath recompensed me according to my righteousness; according to my cleanness
in his eye sight.
Psa 7:8 The LORD shall judge the people; judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity[that is] in me.

(via iconograph symbolism) Remember it is Lucifer trying in unjust cheating fashion tipping the scales of judgement.
In the Romans 10 verse we see him placing himself over the judgement of one's scale of righteousness. This in reality is in how people judge people through affiliation in the cult of Jesus rather than their rights and wrongs of their actions, sort of like how Dems judge by party affiliation rather than their corrupt natures.

This isn't the first time Jesus has been accused of sorcery.

 

[theHawk]

[See Lucifer here etymology of "": "[ the morning star, a fallen rebel archangel, THE Devil, fr. OE. fr. Latin, the morning star, fr. Lucifer light-bearing, fr. luc light + -fer -ferous--more at LIGHT]" (Webster's, p.677)

“So we have the prophetic message more fully confirmed. You will do well to be attentive to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star (LUCIFER)rises in your hearts.” -- 2 Peter 1:19
“... from my Father. To the one who conquers(DESTROYS) I will also give the morning star(LUCIFER).” -- Revelation 2:28
· Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things in the churches.
· I am the bright and Morning Star (lucifer

Lucifer is a creation, originally an angel for the light. He turned from it once he saw part of the Beatific vision and that God was going to become human. He was outraged and wanted God to manifest Himself through him, instead of an “inferior” creation like man, since Lucifer was created on the first day, and man on the sixth day. He would not bow to a “Man” or “that Woman”, the Virgin Mother (Isaiah 7:14).

He was supposed to be an angel to enlighten the minds of men. Because he turned, he was cast out and cursed. Since he wanted to be God himself, God cursed him to be an inversion of the Trinity. This is why there are three manifestations of the Devil:

Satan, the father of lies, an inversion of God the Father.
Beelzebub, the demon of fear, an inversion of the Spirit.
Lucifer, the Prince of Darkness, the inversion of the Son, Jesus, the Light of the world.

 

[theHawk]

attoning for sins is not in blood
Hosea chapter 14 verses 2-3

Hosea 14:2-3 says no such thing.


Lev 17:
11 The life of all flesh is found in its blood. I have given it to you to make atonement for your life upon the altar. Blood is to make atonement for one’s life.’

Now we know you are a heretic, even by Rabbinic Jewish standards.

 

[Clyde 154]

Thanks for your take, but the righteousness is pretty clear and is not talking about just the law, but what is right & wrong- good or evil aka what is righteous and unrighteous.
You are describing an excuse of sin that validates my OP.
You have a free get away with sin card called gang afilliation that serves no ability to prevent sins, thus our jails are filled with people with cross tattoos, necklaces, and earings. There's been thousands of wars and over 50 million murders in this theology hence lucifer tips the scales where you become unsuspecting on the true weight of the deeds.
Hosea 14:3 , I Samuel 15:22 ,Ezekiel 33:11 , Isaiah 55:7 & Jeremiah 36:3 about the Teshuva

There are MANY means of atonement for sins. 1. Monetary (Ex 30:15) 2. Restitution (Leviticus 5:16, Numbers 5:8) 3. Incense (Numbers 16:47) 4. Loyalty and faithfulness (Proverbs 16:6)5. Jewlery (Numbers 31:50) 6. Prayer (I Kings 8 :46-53, Hosea 14:1-2, Psalm 141:2) 7. Repentance (Hosea 14:3 , I Samuel 15:22 , Isaiah 55:7 , I Kings 8 :46-53, Ezkeiel 18:21-23, 33:11,14-16, Jeremiah 36:3)

attoning for sins is not in blood
Hosea chapter 14 verses 2-3

Ezekiel condemns the doctrine that a righteous man can die for the sins of the wicked. Vicarious atonement is condemned throughout by Ezekiel.

In conclusion: claiming to remove righteousness while leaving unrighteous behavior (like antisemitism running rampant by zealots) does not a functioning society make.
Melchizedek (seen as Michael the arch Malakh) was the messenger and king of Righteousness, not the removal of righteousness. If an idol is claimed the removal of righteousness then they are claiming themselves the nemesis of the Top Messenger, making them claiming to be Lucifer.

[See Lucifer here etymology of "": "[ the morning star, a fallen rebel archangel, THE Devil, fr. OE. fr. Latin, the morning star, fr. Lucifer light-bearing, fr. luc light + -fer -ferous--more at LIGHT]" (Webster's, p.677)

“So we have the prophetic message more fully confirmed. You will do well to be attentive to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star (LUCIFER)rises in your hearts.” -- 2 Peter 1:19
“... from my Father. To the one who conquers(DESTROYS) I will also give the morning star(LUCIFER).” -- Revelation 2:28
· Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things in the churches.
· I am the bright and Morning Star (lucifer)

Its not a "TAKE"........its truth documented by book, chapter and verse. Its objective (as it reads the same for everyone).....subjective would be YOUR TAKE, a private interpretation......which is forbidden by the Holy Ghost of Truth -- 2 Peter 1:20-21 When read in context........remaining loyal to the subject matter, the truth is presented by the prophet(s) who were inspired by the Holy Ghost, there is nothing to interpret, just read it like you would any other book of history, keeping in mind that every word in the Holy Bible comes directly from God (God breathed out in the original Koine Greek -- 2 Tim. 3:16-17)......the Word never contradicts itself when its rightly divided (2 Tim. 2:15)

Why did God allow a New Covenant? Did God make a mistake with the Law and the prophets? Of course not........THE LAW was specific only to the Jews, not for any other nation on earth (Deut. 4,5)........it was man (in specific, the Jews who were husbanded by the God of Creation) that constantly refused to live under the terms of the Law. -- Jer. 31:31-34 The Jews were to be an example to the world, when they failed......God sacrificed His only begotten Son in order to allow a path to salvation not only for the Jews but for the World.......keeping His promise that the seed of Abraham would be a blessing to every nation on earth (Gal. 3:27-29) Yet......the Jews continue to blame the gentiles for their own failure to live by the Law. Is there hope for the Jews. Paul declares.......YES, its easy for the Jew (far easier than for any gentile) to be grafted back into the original vein where they can once again be husbanded by the God of Creation (Romans 11)

 

[HaShev]

Its not a "TAKE"........its truth documented by book, chapter and verse. Its objective (as it reads the same for everyone).....subjective would be YOUR TAKE, a private interpretation......which is forbidden by the Holy Ghost of Truth -- 2 Peter 1:20-21 When read in context........remaining loyal to the subject matter, the truth is presented by the prophet(s) who were inspired by the Holy Ghost, there is nothing to interpret, just read it like you would any other book of history, keeping in mind that every word in the Holy Bible comes directly from God (God breathed out in the original Koine Greek -- 2 Tim. 3:16-17)......the Word never contradicts itself when its rightly divided (2 Tim. 2:15)

Why did God allow a New Covenant? Did God make a mistake with the Law and the prophets? Of course not........THE LAW was specific only to the Jews, not for any other nation on earth (Deut. 4,5)........it was man (in specific, the Jews who were husbanded by the God of Creation) that constantly refused to live under the terms of the Law. -- Jer. 31:31-34 The Jews were to be an example to the world, when they failed......God sacrificed His only begotten Son in order to allow a path to salvation not only for the Jews but for the World.......keeping His promise that the seed of Abraham would be a blessing to every nation on earth (Gal. 3:27-29) Yet......the Jews continue to blame the gentiles for their own failure to live by the Law. Is there hope for the Jews. Paul declares.......YES, its easy for the Jew (far easier than for any gentile) to be grafted back into the original vein where they can once again be husbanded by the God of Creation (Romans 11)

sorry I trump your subjective "take":
Dan 10:21

 

[HaShev]

Hosea 14:2-3 says no such thing.


Lev 17:
11 The life of all flesh is found in its blood. I have given it to you to make atonement for your life upon the altar. Blood is to make atonement for one’s life.’

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Now we know you are a heretic, even by Rabbinic Jewish standards.

Read it in the Tanakh in English:
it says "souls" not "sins" and the context whether in the Bible or MY FULL POST mentioning Ezekiel along side it, is not how you sell it deceptively.

Hoshea 14:3 in THE TANAKH;

3Take words with yourselves and HaShev (return) the Lord Say, "You shall forgive all iniquity and teach us [the] good [way], and let us render [for] bulls [the offering of] our lips. Here we see bulls are offered and you are calling Jesus a bunch of Bull you offer up. Here we see the Master is HaShev not Jesus.

גקְח֚וּ עִמָּכֶם֙ דְּבָרִ֔ים וְשׁ֖וּבוּ אֶל־יְהֹוָ֑ה אִמְר֣וּ אֵלָ֗יו כָּל־תִּשָּׂ֚א עָו‍ֹן֙ וְקַח־ט֔וֹב וּנְשַׁלְּמָ֥ה פָרִ֖ים שְׂפָתֵֽינוּ:

 

[theHawk]

Read it in the Tanakh in English:
it says "souls" not "sins" and the context whether in the Bible or MY FULL POST mentioning Ezekiel along side it, is not how you sell it deceptively.

Why would a soul need atonement if not for its sins?

 

[HaShev]

Why would a soul need atonement if not for its sins?

soul aka ones essence nature of being needs "teshuva" from the doing people wrong & or sins, that process is not through blood that process is in admission that you did wrong,
Feeling regret, making a commitment not to repeat the behavior or act, and if possible make restitutions.
Notice you never addressed how so many people in jail carry the blood of Jesus card as do their victims, thus proving the blood wash scam doesn't work and only makes sins and or wrong behavior/acts flourish.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Trump is part of it.

He said God sent him to save America but refused to put his hand on the Bible for swearing today.

 

[HaShev]

LOL, what is this, “The Hebrew Book of Enoch” nonsense?

Melchizedek was a human king of Salem, and a High Priest of God. (Gen 14:18)

The Messiah would be a “Preist forever in the manner of Melchizedek” (Psalm 110:4)
He brought Abram wine and bread and blessed him.


By the way, can you explain why Psalm 110:1 the Lord speaks to the Lord?

1 A psalm of David.

The Lord says to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I have made your enemies a footstool for you.”

And don’t try to claim adoni is not referring to God.

Hebrews 5:6, 5:10, & 6:20 say Jesus is after the Order of Melchizedek so your post just eliminated Jesus and all his plagiarized roles.

 

[HaShev]

Trump is part of it.

He said God sent him to save America but refused to put his hand on the Bible for swearing today.

I thought I saw his hand touching it, and know he swore, so you might be using propaganda that misinformed you.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I watched the whole thing. Look at it again. His hand was not on the Bible during the oath taking.

 

[HaShev]

Lucifer is a creation, originally an angel for the light. He turned from it once he saw part of the Beatific vision and that God was going to become human. He was outraged and wanted God to manifest Himself through him, instead of an “inferior” creation like man, since Lucifer was created on the first day, and man on the sixth day. He would not bow to a “Man” or “that Woman”, the Virgin Mother (Isaiah 7:14).

He was supposed to be an angel to enlighten the minds of men. Because he turned, he was cast out and cursed. Since he wanted to be God himself, God cursed him to be an inversion of the Trinity. This is why there are three manifestations of the Devil:

Satan, the father of lies, an inversion of God the Father.
Beelzebub, the demon of fear, an inversion of the Spirit.
Lucifer, the Prince of Darkness, the inversion of the Son, Jesus, the Light of the world.

you just called him light that is what Lucifer means, more at light physical phosphorus light.
[See Lucifer here etymology of "": "[ the morning star, a fallen rebel archangel, THE Devil, fr. OE. fr. Latin, the morning star, fr. Lucifer light-bearing, fr. luc light + -fer -ferous--more at LIGHT]" (Webster's, p.677)

“So we have the prophetic message more fully confirmed. You will do well to be attentive to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star (LUCIFER)rises in your hearts.” -- 2 Peter 1:19
“... from my Father. To the one who conquers(DESTROYS) I will also give the morning star(LUCIFER).” -- Revelation 2:28
· Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things in the churches.
· I am the bright and Morning Star (lucifer)

 

[theHawk]

soul aka ones essence nature of being needs "teshuva" from the doing people wrong & or sins, that process is not through blood that process is in admission that you did wrong,
Feeling regret, making a commitment not to repeat the behavior or act, and if possible make restitutions.
Notice you never addressed how so many people in jail carry the blood of Jesus card as do their victims, thus proving the blood wash scam doesn't work and only makes sins and or wrong behavior/acts flourish.

In Christianity you must confess your sin and repent. Then there is true atonement, and forgiveness is granted by God.

The Blood is the offering sacrifice. But the blood was paid for by the life of Jesus, the Lamb of God. He was the perfect divine sacrifice to pay for all our sins, since animal sacrifices were never really going to pay for them nor could they. God prevented Abram from sacrificing his son, because God was going to sacrifice His Son for us.

The New Covenant is given to us though the bread and wine, the body and blood of Christ. As was shown in Genesis 40. The dreams of the Cupbearer and the Baker were actually showing the messiah. The vine with three branches is God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. From the vine comes the wine (blood), put in the chalice. The other dream was the birds (the flock) eating the bread (the Body), from the man who was impaled on a stake.