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[Seawytch]

Then why push the issue to the Supreme Court? Why not just let the states vote in gay/other marriage one by one? Surely a majority could get that done?

But no, you had your 5 pocket-fascists shove it down the throats of all 50 states at once "because it's so popular"...

No, we did it because democracy doesn't work. Because most people don't vote and don't know who is representing them in their state capitals. That's why we have SCOTUS, to protect us from angry mobs of loudmouths.

The world was told that Prop 8 would fail too, for the same reasons. Yet it passed handily. So, once again, reality conflicts with your propaganda.

Prop 8 Barely scraped by because the Mormons lied their asses off about what the law would do. It wouldn't win today.

Whether or not something works has nothing to do with whether people use it. You're a retard.

It wouldn't win today? Prove it.

No, it would not. See how much has changed since 2008:

 

[Conservative65]

Whether or not something works has nothing to do with whether people use it. You're a retard.

It wouldn't win today? Prove it.

Guy, I don't have anything to prove to you. You just aren't that important.

No, you don't as long as you realize that by not doing so, you invalidate any argument you have.

I'm not the one on the forum yelling government, government, government do it all. You are. Tells me since I fund what you use, I am important to people like you.

 

[Conservative65]

Well my dear - we have a record national debt (over $19 trillion), a record number of people out of the labor force, and a record number of people on food stamps. Any objective, reasonable, and rational person would consider that catastrophic and a monumental failure.

We went from hemorrhaging 700,000 jobs a month to the longest period of private sector job growth in history. Corporate profits are up 166 percent and the Dow went from 7,949.09 and right now it is sitting at 18,547.30. Remember when Romney said he'd bring unemployment down to 6%? It's at 5 under Barack Obama. If President Obama were a Republican, you wouldn't be able to stop crowing about the economy.

And I'm still waiting for your link about Hillary's economic plans. I gave you the analysis of Don the Con's...it actually would be disasterous for our economy.

Complete and total lies as usual. For starters - we have a record number of people who have dropped out of the labor force (as I have already stated). That means the real unemployment is no where near 5%. It's double digits right now. At least 10%. But because Obama doesn't have to count those - he dances a jig and drops the unemployment rate every time another person gives up looking for a job.

Second - Barack Obama is the only president in U.S. history to not have at least one year of 3% GDP growth. The only one. That's failure sweetie.

If a Republican had these same economic numbers you'd be bitching up a storm. But you'll defend any failure by a liberal.

Unemployment is counted the same way it's always been counted. There are not magic Obama numbers. Unemployment is at 5%, half of what it was when he took office.

I know this will probably bother you for the rest of your life, but Obama will go down in history as one of America's greatest Presidents and Hillary will be the next President.

Food Stamp (SNAP) use is 15 million or more higher than when Bush had a 4.9% unemployment rate.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/05/12/benefits-food-stamps-fewer/27175881/

And why are the rates dropping...because we have an improving economy. I'm really not sorry that America isn't the hellscape Trump wants it to be.

So you missed the same unemployment percentage part? The white guy had a much lower rate of SNAP use at the SAME unemployment percentage. Can the black guy not do as good of a job? You said he was one of the greatest. Someone supposedly that great could surely do a better job with the same playing field.

 

[Conservative65]

Then why push the issue to the Supreme Court? Why not just let the states vote in gay/other marriage one by one? Surely a majority could get that done?

But no, you had your 5 pocket-fascists shove it down the throats of all 50 states at once "because it's so popular"...

No, we did it because democracy doesn't work. Because most people don't vote and don't know who is representing them in their state capitals. That's why we have SCOTUS, to protect us from angry mobs of loudmouths.

The world was told that Prop 8 would fail too, for the same reasons. Yet it passed handily. So, once again, reality conflicts with your propaganda.

Prop 8 Barely scraped by because the Mormons lied their asses off about what the law would do. It wouldn't win today.

Whether or not something works has nothing to do with whether people use it. You're a retard.

It wouldn't win today? Prove it.

No, it would not. See how much has changed since 2008:

So now a prediction is considered proof? Not how it works but I can understand someone like you not realizing how things work. As a lesbian, you're faulty, and can't understand that you are.

 

[P@triot]

And why are the rates dropping...because we have an improving economy.

• Highest number of people out of the labor force ever

• Highest number of people on food stamps ever

• Highest national debt ever

• Only president in U.S. history to not see at least one year of 3% or more GDP growth

You have a bizarre definition of "improving".

 

[Silhouette]

No, it would not. See how much has changed since 2008:

Wait until the Browns get the right to marry and watch it change back again...providing your "polling" is true. Then again, your cult polled California just before Prop 8 passed and told the world how miserably it would fail. So...yeah, wait for the Browns to announce they're pushing for polyamory marriage and take another poll. Bet it will look a little different...lol...

 

[Seawytch]

Then why push the issue to the Supreme Court? Why not just let the states vote in gay/other marriage one by one? Surely a majority could get that done?

But no, you had your 5 pocket-fascists shove it down the throats of all 50 states at once "because it's so popular"...

No, we did it because democracy doesn't work. Because most people don't vote and don't know who is representing them in their state capitals. That's why we have SCOTUS, to protect us from angry mobs of loudmouths.

The world was told that Prop 8 would fail too, for the same reasons. Yet it passed handily. So, once again, reality conflicts with your propaganda.

Prop 8 Barely scraped by because the Mormons lied their asses off about what the law would do. It wouldn't win today.

Whether or not something works has nothing to do with whether people use it. You're a retard.

It wouldn't win today? Prove it.

No, it would not. See how much has changed since 2008:

So now a prediction is considered proof? Not how it works but I can understand someone like you not realizing how things work. As a lesbian, you're faulty, and can't understand that you are.

That's a poll not a prediction. Look where polls were in 2008 and look where we are now. Prop 8 would not pass in California today.

 

[Conservative65]

Then why push the issue to the Supreme Court? Why not just let the states vote in gay/other marriage one by one? Surely a majority could get that done?

But no, you had your 5 pocket-fascists shove it down the throats of all 50 states at once "because it's so popular"...

No, we did it because democracy doesn't work. Because most people don't vote and don't know who is representing them in their state capitals. That's why we have SCOTUS, to protect us from angry mobs of loudmouths.

The world was told that Prop 8 would fail too, for the same reasons. Yet it passed handily. So, once again, reality conflicts with your propaganda.

Prop 8 Barely scraped by because the Mormons lied their asses off about what the law would do. It wouldn't win today.

Whether or not something works has nothing to do with whether people use it. You're a retard.

It wouldn't win today? Prove it.

No, it would not. See how much has changed since 2008:

So now a prediction is considered proof? Not how it works but I can understand someone like you not realizing how things work. As a lesbian, you're faulty, and can't understand that you are.

That's a poll not a prediction. Look where polls were in 2008 and look where we are now. Prop 8 would not pass in California today.

Polls are used in predictions.

Since a vote hasn't happened, it's a prediction. Again, you're showing you're faulty in more ways than one.

 

[Silhouette]

That's a poll not a prediction. Look where polls were in 2008 and look where we are now. Prop 8 would not pass in California today.

You realize of course that those are almost the exact words Californians were told after the first defeat of gay marriage and on the eve of the second vote there in 2008. And of course Prop 8 passed.

I think it should be put to a vote again, don't you? (Let me guess, at this point you will chime in about "how the rights of a sexual orientation aren't subject to the vote of the majority!...unless that orientation is a different one than homosexuality)

Oh the 14th Amendment may be flexible. But not THAT flexible..

 

[P@triot]

Where is this slippery slope? Where has incest become legal as a result of gays getting married? Gays have been marrying legally in some countries for a couple of decades now. Show me this slippery slope to whatever you're freaked out about now.

Um....ok. Here you go:

Oklahoma mother, daughter arrested after alleged incestuous marriage

The first same sex incestuous marriage

 

[P@triot]

Ah...so the "slippery slope" was letting blacks marry whites....got it!

Marriage was, and remains, between non familial consenting adults. That isn't changing.

Um....ok. Here you go:

Oklahoma mother, daughter arrested after alleged incestuous marriage

The first same sex incestuous marriage

 

[P@triot]

That is correct, "patriot", they could not marry because there were laws prohibiting it. Those laws were ruled unconstitutional, violating the 14th Amendment. Here endeth the lesson.

I give it 8 to 14 months before you start proclaiming that not allowing parents to f' their children and marry them is a "violation of the 14th Amendment".

Oklahoma mother, daughter arrested after alleged incestuous marriage

The first same sex incestuous marriage

 

[P@triot]

We went from hemorrhaging 700,000 jobs a month to the longest period of private sector job growth in history. Corporate profits are up 166 percent and the Dow went from 7,949.09 and right now it is sitting at 18,547.30. Remember when Romney said he'd bring unemployment down to 6%? It's at 5 under Barack Obama. If President Obama were a Republican, you wouldn't be able to stop crowing about the economy.

In my first response to this idiotic post of yours (post #227), I said that the real unemployment numbers were double-digits. At least 10%. I was damn near spot on. Turns out it is 9.7%. It's downright scary how I am right all the time wytchy.

Boom! Love being correct in the face of desperate progressives just denying reality and toting the official wing-nut propaganda of the left...



First, the real unemployment rate (including discouraged unemployed workers not looking for work) is really at 9.7%. It’s stable, but it’s still nothing to rejoice about especially for workers age 16 to 19.

The absolute best actual unemployment rate that Barack Obama has been able to achieve is a dreadful 9.7%. None of that has to do with a mom or the handicapped (as those demographics have always existed and yet we haven't seen the type of failure that we've seen under Obama). For most of his presidency it was somewhere between 16% and 20%. The reason we've been able to get it down to this point is because the American people turned the House, the Senate, their states, and their local municipalities over to conservatives who have worked miracles in the face of Obama's best efforts to collapse the U.S. economy with his idiotic marxism.

Other indisputable evidence of the failures of progressive economic policy:

• Young Latinos now have a participation rate below 30% at 29.9%, nearly six percentage points lower than when President Barack Obama took office in February 2009.

• For the overall population, the rate is stable at 62.8%, still at a 39-year low

• Third, one can see the catastrophic private-sector figures in the industry report. The primary (mining) and secondary (manufacturing) sectors respectively lost 6,000 and 14,000 jobs.

August Job Report: Government Sucks the Life Out of the Private Sector

 

[Silhouette]

That is correct, "patriot", they could not marry because there were laws prohibiting it. Those laws were ruled unconstitutional, violating the 14th Amendment. Here endeth the lesson.

I give it 8 to 14 months before you start proclaiming that not allowing parents to f' their children and marry them is a "violation of the 14th Amendment".

Oklahoma mother, daughter arrested after alleged incestuous marriage

The first same sex incestuous marriage

As soon as it is no longer politically expedient to deny, yes, she probably will be advocating for "biological attraction". The LGBTs already have a catchy name for it. I forget it right now. It's a sexual orientation to close blood relatives.

 

[Seawytch]

Where is this slippery slope? Where has incest become legal as a result of gays getting married? Gays have been marrying legally in some countries for a couple of decades now. Show me this slippery slope to whatever you're freaked out about now.

Um....ok. Here you go:

Oklahoma mother, daughter arrested after alleged incestuous marriage

The first same sex incestuous marriage

Sorry, still not seeing the slippery slope. They are not legally married nor can they be. Another "patriot" fail. Hear about this over at Alex Jones?

 

[Seawytch]

We went from hemorrhaging 700,000 jobs a month to the longest period of private sector job growth in history. Corporate profits are up 166 percent and the Dow went from 7,949.09 and right now it is sitting at 18,547.30. Remember when Romney said he'd bring unemployment down to 6%? It's at 5 under Barack Obama. If President Obama were a Republican, you wouldn't be able to stop crowing about the economy.

In my first response to this idiotic post of yours (post #227), I said that the real unemployment numbers were double-digits. At least 10%. I was damn near spot on. Turns out it is 9.7%. It's downright scary how I am right all the time wytchy.

Boom! Love being correct in the face of desperate progressives just denying reality and toting the official wing-nut propaganda of the left...



First, the real unemployment rate (including discouraged unemployed workers not looking for work) is really at 9.7%. It’s stable, but it’s still nothing to rejoice about especially for workers age 16 to 19.

The absolute best actual unemployment rate that Barack Obama has been able to achieve is a dreadful 9.7%. None of that has to do with a mom or the handicapped (as those demographics have always existed and yet we haven't seen the type of failure that we've seen under Obama). For most of his presidency it was somewhere between 16% and 20%. The reason we've been able to get it down to this point is because the American people turned the House, the Senate, their states, and their local municipalities over to conservatives who have worked miracles in the face of Obama's best efforts to collapse the U.S. economy with his idiotic marxism.

Other indisputable evidence of the failures of progressive economic policy:

• Young Latinos now have a participation rate below 30% at 29.9%, nearly six percentage points lower than when President Barack Obama took office in February 2009.

• For the overall population, the rate is stable at 62.8%, still at a 39-year low

• Third, one can see the catastrophic private-sector figures in the industry report. The primary (mining) and secondary (manufacturing) sectors respectively lost 6,000 and 14,000 jobs.

August Job Report: Government Sucks the Life Out of the Private Sector

Using "The black guy is president" math again, "Patriot"? What were the "real unemployment" numbers under President Obama's predecessor?

 

[P@triot]

Where is this slippery slope? Where has incest become legal as a result of gays getting married? Gays have been marrying legally in some countries for a couple of decades now. Show me this slippery slope to whatever you're freaked out about now.

Um....ok. Here you go:

Oklahoma mother, daughter arrested after alleged incestuous marriage

The first same sex incestuous marriage

Sorry, still not seeing the slippery slope. They are not legally married nor can they be. Another "patriot" fail. Hear about this over at Alex Jones?

Today. They are not legally married today. But you bat-shit crazy progressives are working overtime to make sure they can be legally married tomorrow.

 

[P@triot]

Using "The black guy is president" math again, "Patriot"? What were the "real unemployment" numbers under President Obama's predecessor?

Typical progressive. All she sees is color. And sexual orientation. And anything else she can leverage to play the victim.

 

[Seawytch]

Where is this slippery slope? Where has incest become legal as a result of gays getting married? Gays have been marrying legally in some countries for a couple of decades now. Show me this slippery slope to whatever you're freaked out about now.

Um....ok. Here you go:

Oklahoma mother, daughter arrested after alleged incestuous marriage

The first same sex incestuous marriage

Sorry, still not seeing the slippery slope. They are not legally married nor can they be. Another "patriot" fail. Hear about this over at Alex Jones?

Today. They are not legally married today. But you bat-shit crazy progressives are working overtime to make sure they can be legally married tomorrow.

They won't be married tomorrow, or the next day or ten years from now. Keep buying your tinfoil in bulk, listening to Alex Jones and obsessing about pickle jars.

 

[Seawytch]

Using "The black guy is president" math again, "Patriot"? What were the "real unemployment" numbers under President Obama's predecessor?

Typical progressive. All she sees is color. And sexual orientation. And anything else she can leverage to play the victim.

Actually, what I see is you dodging the question, "patriot". What were the "real" numbers under Bush?