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Stonewall's divisions were like cavalry they moved so fast on the strategic scale.Stonewall would have taken the hill on day one. He would not stop fighting until it was impossible to stop..............which got him killed by his own troops.
He was very good at moving around the enemy flanks and hitting them ......then moving again.....making them think they were up against far more than were actually there.
That is a Lost Cause myth....That he was as opposed to slavery as he was and most of his family was pro-Union.Which ones surprised you?Some of these I already knew, but some suprised me.
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Probably true
The 1864 election was key. Lincoln vs McClellan
If the war was going bad, Lincoln would have lost and McClellan would have sought peace.
They needed to fight like the Vietnamese. Inflict casualties and prolong the war. Make them tired of the war.
He was a racist, traitorous piece of shit who needs to be expunged from the public eye?
Yes. Yes, we know.
He and his wife had school for the slaves and taught them to read and write ( which was a big no no back then).That he was as opposed to slavery as he was and most of his family was pro-Union.Which ones surprised you?Some of these I already knew, but some suprised me.
Lee was a great general, but made a huge mistake. He should have realized he couldn’t win the war fighting pitched battles against a much better equipped and manned opponent. Had he employed gorilla tactics on a bigger scale as Stonewall Jackson had successfully done in his Shenandoah Valley campaigns, Lee likely prolongs the war. Thus causing greater anti-war upheaval in the North and leading to support from European powers.
Oh brother. Your post clearly indicates you know nothing.
France and Great Britain considered supporting the South. Had the South not lost so many pivotal battles, it’s likely support would have materialized.
Not likely, because, again, slavery was unacceptable in these countries. France was still under the sway of revolutionary thinking, having just deposed another King for another Napoleon. The UK had abolished slavery in the entire Empire 30 years before.
The reason why we need to really denounce and reject any praise for Confederate leaders is because what they did was not only evil, it was massively stupid. There was NO scenario where they were going to win.
Probably trueLee was a great general, but made a huge mistake. He should have realized he couldn’t win the war fighting pitched battles against a much better equipped and manned opponent. Had he employed gorilla tactics on a bigger scale as Stonewall Jackson had successfully done in his Shenandoah Valley campaigns, Lee likely prolongs the war. Thus causing greater anti-war upheaval in the North and leading to support from European powers.
The 1864 election was key. Lincoln vs McClellan
If the war was going bad, Lincoln would have lost and McClellan would have sought peace.
They needed to fight like the Vietnamese. Inflict casualties and prolong the war. Make them tired of the war.
Why?
Lee wasn't anymore racist than Andrew Jackson and you celebrate Andrew as a great American Hero...
Also if you feel so strongly then maybe you should petition our government to remove our soldiers from land that was donated to bury our fallen on seeing the land once belong to Lee and his Wife...
Had the south held the high ground at Gettysburg and won the battle, you don't think the north would have capitulated?
AgreeProbably trueLee was a great general, but made a huge mistake. He should have realized he couldn’t win the war fighting pitched battles against a much better equipped and manned opponent. Had he employed gorilla tactics on a bigger scale as Stonewall Jackson had successfully done in his Shenandoah Valley campaigns, Lee likely prolongs the war. Thus causing greater anti-war upheaval in the North and leading to support from European powers.
The 1864 election was key. Lincoln vs McClellan
If the war was going bad, Lincoln would have lost and McClellan would have sought peace.
They needed to fight like the Vietnamese. Inflict casualties and prolong the war. Make them tired of the war.
You actually know your History. Lincoln very nearly lost the 1864 election. Had Grant lost Vicksburg Lincoln likely would not have been re-elected and the North would likely have sued for peace.
Lincoln was hated in much of the North.
I agree that the 1864 election — if key battlefield results had been unfavorable — would have gone against Lincoln. Then the North would likely have negotiated and recognized secession. This would have been a disaster for black Americans and for further democratic developments everywhere. It likely would have led to future wars between sections, Southern filibustering invasions of Cuba and Mexico, and quite possibly a future reunion under racial apartheid in an elitist fascist-like society.
Can you imagine a “Jefferson Davis Memorial” in place of the Lincoln Monument? A giant statue of General Robert E. Lee on horseback just across the Potomac River on his estate overlooking D.C.? African slaves in America would in the end have been ground down to dust, victims of slow and brutal genocide. It is truly a horror to imagine...
Actually, the south did use “Gorilla Tactics” effectively.Lee was a great general, but made a huge mistake. He should have realized he couldn’t win the war fighting pitched battles against a much better equipped and manned opponent. Had he employed gorilla tactics on a bigger scale as Stonewall Jackson had successfully done in his Shenandoah Valley campaigns, Lee likely prolongs the war. Thus causing greater anti-war upheaval in the North and leading to support from European powers.
"Gorilla tactics"?
Is that where you climb a tree and throw bananas at the enemy as it walks by?
Lee should have bypassed Gettysburg and continued north and threatened NYC. since he did choose to linger, he should have committed a lot more troops to it right away, as many as could be marched there on the first day. He wins easily with only twice as many committed as he did, due to early occupation of key road junctions and hills, which were later the determining factors of the lines of battle.
Still a great General; none of them wins all the time or every time, even the best will make mistakes, given how large and tough to control the armies were. Napoleon made the same sort of mistake at Waterloo, screwing around wasting time trying to over-awe Wellington with a display of force instead of early commitments on the left and right flanks while waiting for the main Guard to get to the field and having a choice of deployment other than right up the middle. The difference was Wellington's use of the terrain was genius, while the Union's defensive position at Gettysburg was dumb luck and Lee's mistakes.
Actually, the south did use “Gorilla Tactics” effectively.Lee was a great general, but made a huge mistake. He should have realized he couldn’t win the war fighting pitched battles against a much better equipped and manned opponent. Had he employed gorilla tactics on a bigger scale as Stonewall Jackson had successfully done in his Shenandoah Valley campaigns, Lee likely prolongs the war. Thus causing greater anti-war upheaval in the North and leading to support from European powers.
"Gorilla tactics"?
Is that where you climb a tree and throw bananas at the enemy as it walks by?
Mosby in Northern Virginia, Morgan in Kentucky, Nathan Bedford Forest in Mississippi and Alabama, Quantril in Missouri. They all inflicted many more casualties than they suffered and tied up large numbers of Union forces.
The problem for the South was the insistence of Davis and Lee to defend Richmond at all cost. It forced Lee to dig in at Petersburg and endure a siege. Effectively neutralizing him.
Petersburg was a bunch of buildings. The South could have survived the fall of Richmond. They did not survive the loss of Lees army.
Lincoln sucked. He was by far our worst president. Treasonous, lawless, and murderous. Should have been hung in 1862.Actually, the south did use “Gorilla Tactics” effectively.Lee was a great general, but made a huge mistake. He should have realized he couldn’t win the war fighting pitched battles against a much better equipped and manned opponent. Had he employed gorilla tactics on a bigger scale as Stonewall Jackson had successfully done in his Shenandoah Valley campaigns, Lee likely prolongs the war. Thus causing greater anti-war upheaval in the North and leading to support from European powers.
"Gorilla tactics"?
Is that where you climb a tree and throw bananas at the enemy as it walks by?
Mosby in Northern Virginia, Morgan in Kentucky, Nathan Bedford Forest in Mississippi and Alabama, Quantril in Missouri. They all inflicted many more casualties than they suffered and tied up large numbers of Union forces.
The problem for the South was the insistence of Davis and Lee to defend Richmond at all cost. It forced Lee to dig in at Petersburg and endure a siege. Effectively neutralizing him.
Petersburg was a bunch of buildings. The South could have survived the fall of Richmond. They did not survive the loss of Lees army.
Winger, I need to give credit where credit is due. You truly know Civil War Era history, and not just the fables we were all taught in grade school.
Lincoln was a great man and a great President, but Northern Copperheads during the war hated his guts. He held firm against tremendous opposition in the North while fighting a War against a rogue South that also hatred his guts. All the while dealing with mostly timid and inept Generals like McClellan.
The victors always write the history, and the true perfidy in much of the North was whitewashed. When the real story is told to me it only enhances Lincoln's stature. The fortitude of the man is truly amazing.
