Libertarians Are The True Political Moderates

[thanatos144]

In 2008 I voted for the constitutional party candidate for president.

http://www.constitutionparty.com/assets/National-Platform-Full-Version.pdf

They make more sense then libertarians


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[BobPlumb]

I agree with the republican platform it is just the republicans in office i am not fond of. Especially liars like McConnell and Paul


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I don't agree with the libertarian platform on abortion because I believe the unborn deserves liberty also. If you don't believed a fetus is a person, just wait a few weeks.

Life is also in the declaration which libertarians seem to forget even though it is before liberty. The only redeemable quality in libertarians are their hatred for taxes otherwise they have more in common with democrats. Definitely the old school ones like Byrd and Gore senior


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How about limited government?

 

[thanatos144]

I don't agree with the libertarian platform on abortion because I believe the unborn deserves liberty also. If you don't believed a fetus is a person, just wait a few weeks.

Life is also in the declaration which libertarians seem to forget even though it is before liberty. The only redeemable quality in libertarians are their hatred for taxes otherwise they have more in common with democrats. Definitely the old school ones like Byrd and Gore senior


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How about limited government?

You cant be for limited government then demand the federal government make drugs legal and put new taxes on it to pay for the increase of government it will create. It is hypocritical to say the least

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[Contumacious]

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Medicare is good for our seniors and good for our country. It provides health care far more affordably and efficiently than our private insurance industry. It saves our country hundreds of billions of dollars in administrative overhead. And if we expand Medicare to cover younger, healthier Americans, we would all get more care at less cost.

Mr Dingle Berry, Sir

May I please ask some questions and can you respond to them as a good public and civic service?

1- Are private insurers able to order Fraulein Janet Yellen to inflate the fuck out of the currency? The US government can

2- Are private insurers allowed to send agents to steal loot seize property? The US government can'

3- Can private insurers a stop paying for benefits willy nilly? Federal government can.



3- so shut the fuck up , sell your laptop at a garage sale, go forth and sin no more

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Gee, maybe I can join your group?


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Don't think so. You are too committed to


" United Socialist Parasites"

Their motto "We Loves Free Lunches"

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[thanatos144]

Mr Dingle Berry, Sir

May I please ask some questions and can you respond to them as a good public and civic service?

1- Are private insurers able to order Fraulein Janet Yellen to inflate the fuck out of the currency? The US government can

2- Are private insurers allowed to send agents to steal loot seize property? The US government can'

3- Can private insurers a stop paying for benefits willy nilly? Federal government can.



3- so shut the fuck up , sell your laptop at a garage sale, go forth and sin no more

.

Gee, maybe I can join your group?


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Don't think so. You are too committed to


" United Socialist Parasites"

Their motto "We Loves Free Lunches"

.

TANSTAAFL

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[nodoginnafight]

You cant be for limited government then demand the federal government make drugs legal

On the contrary - you cannot claim you are for limited government and personal freedom and then demand the government make drugs illegal and demand that they tax everyone to pay billions of dollars in a "war on drugs."

 

[nodoginnafight]

Libertarian Party Platform.

https://www.lp.org/platform

In my state voters do not register by party! So technically I guess that makes everyone independents. That being said my philosophy leans heavily libertarian, but I don't agree 100% with the party platform. I doubt that there are many people that identify with any of the parties that agree with everything in their respective platforms.

I think you are spot on. There are parts of the Libertarian Platform that I can agree with. I've voted for a Libertarian candidate for president twice in my life. But I'll confess - that was mostly dissatisfaction with the Republican and Democratic nominees rather than a true commitment to Libertarianism.

However, this important part of the Libertarian Platform:
"... the only one compatible with the protection of individual rights, is the free market."
has been demonstrated wrong.

I do not consider this a moderate position.

 

[dblack]

Life is also in the declaration which libertarians seem to forget even though it is before liberty. The only redeemable quality in libertarians are their hatred for taxes otherwise they have more in common with democrats. Definitely the old school ones like Byrd and Gore senior


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How about limited government?

You cant be for limited government then demand the federal government make drugs legal and put new taxes on it to pay for the increase of government it will create. It is hypocritical to say the least

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I have to agree with you for once. It should be taxed, but only in the same way that other sales and income are taxed. Discriminatory taxation is bullshit.

 

[thanatos144]

I am for true limited republican government. That means letting each state decide if they want a state of junkies or not.

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[Dante]

[MENTION=26616]kaz[/MENTION]

Libertarians Are The True Political Moderates

Since most all of todays libertarians insist on following their principles to their logical ends no matter the result -- where is the moderate voice, the moderation in that?

 

[Dante]

Here is a prime example:

I am for true limited republican government. That means letting each state decide if they want a state of junkies or not.

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While I agree on one level, I know it is not a moderate position

 

[thanatos144]

Here is a prime example:

I am for true limited republican government. That means letting each state decide if they want a state of junkies or not.

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While I agree on one level, I know it is not a moderate position

No it is a American position


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[Samson]

Here is a prime example:

I am for true limited republican government. That means letting each state decide if they want a state of junkies or not.

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While I agree on one level, I know it is not a moderate position

No it is a American position


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You should post more in response to Dante.

In contrast, you appear to be a genius.

 

[Dante]

Here is a prime example:

I am for true limited republican government. That means letting each state decide if they want a state of junkies or not.

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While I agree on one level, I know it is not a moderate position

No it is a American position


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American positions are by definition, moderate? You sound almost as deluded as Samson.

How can you speak for what is American and what is not?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Here is a prime example:

I am for true limited republican government. That means letting each state decide if they want a state of junkies or not.

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While I agree on one level, I know it is not a moderate position

The latest poll I've seen indicates that 58% of Americans favor legalizing pot.
So I think that makes legalizing pot a moderate position.

but I disagree with Thant in that no one person speaks for America. Trying to claim that one person speaks for all of America is ... well ... unAmerican.

 

[kaz]

[MENTION=26616]kaz[/MENTION]

Libertarians Are The True Political Moderates

Since most all of todays libertarians insist on following their principles to their logical ends no matter the result -- where is the moderate voice, the moderation in that?

Maybe you could read my original post and address what I said since I already answered that. I'll be glad to go forward if you want to build on that, but i'm not interested in re-answering it.

 

[Dante]

[MENTION=16263]nodoginnafight[/MENTION] soon-to-be-renamed nobrainsintheskull

Here is a prime example:

I am for true limited republican government. That means letting each state decide if they want a state of junkies or not.

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While I agree on one level, I know it is not a moderate position

The latest poll I've seen indicates that 58% of Americans favor legalizing pot.
So I think that makes legalizing pot a moderate position.

but I disagree with Thant in that no one person speaks for America. Trying to claim that one person speaks for all of America is ... well ... unAmerican.

So your premise is that majorities cannot be immoderate?

Hmm, maybe the Nazi's were moderates after all?

 

[nodoginnafight]

[MENTION=16263]nodoginnafight[/MENTION] soon-to-be-renamed nobrainsintheskull

Here is a prime example:

While I agree on one level, I know it is not a moderate position

The latest poll I've seen indicates that 58% of Americans favor legalizing pot.
So I think that makes legalizing pot a moderate position.

but I disagree with Thant in that no one person speaks for America. Trying to claim that one person speaks for all of America is ... well ... unAmerican.

So your premise is that majorities cannot be immoderate?

Hmm, maybe the Nazi's were moderates after all?

Moderate is a subjective term that is only meaningful in context.

Within Germany, if a majority of people were Nazis, then yes. Being a Nazi was a moderate position in Germany. It was not considered moderate around the world and that is what was so scary about Nazi Germany. How so many people could be led into that belief system.

Now, what was it that was so extreme about the Nazi position? Genocide? Most Germans claim they were unaware of that and if they are telling the truth, then genocide would not be a moderate position - even in Nazi Germany.

When YOU use the term moderate - what do YOU mean? Do you mean something YOU consider moderate? So what is "moderate" to an extremist?

The term is only useful when used as a comparative description. There is no objective definition that fits all instances.

Within the context of the United States of America in 2014 - legalizing pot is a moderate position.

 

[Dante]

[MENTION=26616]kaz[/MENTION]

[MENTION=26616]kaz[/MENTION]

Libertarians Are The True Political Moderates

Since most all of todays libertarians insist on following their principles to their logical ends no matter the result -- where is the moderate voice, the moderation in that?

Maybe you could read my original post and address what I said since I already answered that. I'll be glad to go forward if you want to build on that, but i'm not interested in re-answering it.

"should government even do that? Do we have the right to make that choice for everyone and use force to impose it on all our citizens? Libertarians are the moderates, that is the first question we ask..." -- everyone asks the first question.

The right and the left, the Democrats and Republicans, others -- they all have ideas of the role of government. Implicit in this is the question "should government do that?"

To view the role of government as forcing to impose it on all our citizens something citizens may not want is an extreme ideological position.

We in the USA have a representative form of government. Your extreme position is valid only if one assumes a government not elected by the people in a representative republic

Many of these Libertarian positions need not apply because they do not deal with the reality of life on the ground

 

[kaz]

[MENTION=26616]kaz[/MENTION]

[MENTION=26616]kaz[/MENTION]

Since most all of todays libertarians insist on following their principles to their logical ends no matter the result -- where is the moderate voice, the moderation in that?

Maybe you could read my original post and address what I said since I already answered that. I'll be glad to go forward if you want to build on that, but i'm not interested in re-answering it.

"should government even do that? Do we have the right to make that choice for everyone and use force to impose it on all our citizens? Libertarians are the moderates, that is the first question we ask..." -- everyone asks the first question.

The right and the left, the Democrats and Republicans, others -- they all have ideas of the role of government. Implicit in this is the question "should government do that?"

No, liberals clearly do not ask that question ever. Well, except for things they don't want government to do.

To view the role of government as forcing to impose it on all our citizens something citizens may not want is an extreme ideological position.

We in the USA have a representative form of government. Your extreme position is valid only if one assumes a government not elected by the people in a representative republic

Many of these Libertarian positions need not apply because they do not deal with the reality of life on the ground

So seriously, you think it's moderate for 50% plus one to vote to remove the liberty and property of the rest of us. That is ridiculous. If I get my way, you still can make your own choices. If you get your way, my choices are removed.

Clearly mine is the moderate position. No matter how "extreme" a decision I make over my own life, I leave your decision intact. I would be fine with your views if you would extend the same courtesy to me. You very much do not.