Libertarians Are The True Political Moderates

All of this stems from the flawed belief that the best way to pay for costly things is have a third party pay.

That and the even more flawed assumption that a program which costs well in excess of ten times what it was projected to cost when set in motion is a success.

Your authoritarian statist ship of foolishness seems to keep running aground. :lol:

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians


You have 'flawed' propaganda from true authoritarians who reside on the right, not the left. Authoritarians kill people. Liberals protect people, especially the least among us.

Social Security and Medicare have not cost 'third parties' anything. They are social insurance programs. They are pay-go programs.

SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE

Social Security and Medicare have been prominent in the deficit and debt ceiling debate. Unfortunately, there is much misinformation and misunderstanding on how these programs work. Below are some key points to keep in mind about these important programs.

Social Security (SS) is NOT broke and despite claims to the contrary, Social Security does NOT contribute to the National debt or the deficit. By law, Social Security cannot borrow from the general fund and general funds cannot be appropriated for operational costs without changing the law. In 1983, to address the retirement of the baby boomers, President Reagan signed into law a bill raising the SS payroll tax and the retirement age.

The result is a $2.6 Trillion surplus in the SS trust fund held in the form of special issue Treasury notes – this means that SS actually loans money to the US Treasury. When SS expenses exceed SS income, Treasury notes are called and the Treasury must come up with the funds to cover the call, but this is NOT deficit spending. When Treasury notes are redeemed, the government debt to the SS trust is decreased, not increased. Even if no changes are made to SS taxes or benefits (unlikely), full benefits are still payable until 2036, after which 75% of benefits will still be paid without adding to the debt or the deficit.

Similarly, Medicare’s Hospital Insurance – Part “A” Trust Fund has a $272 Billion surplus in the form of special issue Treasury notes, but this Trust Fund is being exhausted at a more rapid rate than the SS Trust Fund. Two primary factors are driving Medicare expenditures to exceed income – increased enrollment and increased medical care expenses.

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) is moderating the increase in costs of medical care. However measured, the ACA brings about “sizable improvement in the financial outlook for Medicare compared to the law in effect prior to the Affordable Care Act”. If the ACA is repealed or defunded, the effect will drive up expenditures from the Medicare Trust Fund and accelerate the date of exhaustion of the fund. While Medicare does face a shortfall, it is NOT going bankrupt. Absent any corrective action (again, not likely), when the Trust fund becomes exhausted projected to occur in 2024, its income from Medicare payroll taxes and other sources will meet 90 percent of its projected obligations without adding to the debt or the deficit. Note that Medicare Parts “B” and “D” are self sustaining due to automatic income adjustments.

Although Medicare expenditures are high, they “have grown more slowly than insurance premiums over the past 40 years”. "A private health insurance plan covering the standardized benefit would, CBO estimates, be more expensive currently than traditional Medicare. Both administrative costs (including profits) and payment rates to providers are higher for private plans than for Medicare." However, according to a recent study, 12% of medical professionals are currently refusing to accept private insurance due to administrative burden and inadequate reimbursement rates. The corresponding Medicare refusal rate is 7%.



We have all made mistakes. But Dante tells us that divine justice weighs the sins of the cold-blooded and the sins of the warm-hearted on different scales. Better the occasional faults of a party living in the spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a party frozen in the ice of its own indifference.
President John F. Kennedy

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners"
Albert Camus

True.

Conservatives are for the most part authoritarian, a consequence of their reactionaryism, their fear and disdain of change, diversity, and dissent – and their use of government to compel conformity, such as their hostility toward gay Americans and the privacy rights of women.
Yeah cause there are no conservatives who believe in liberty, and no lefists who were anti-gay marriage. Oh wait.. there are more conservatives who believe in liberty than leftist, and queue tape of the leftists claiming to be anti gay marriage.

The problem with collectivists like you, is that you can't see past your nose to understand that there are many issues and the left and right are not opposed or aligned on any of them. There are many religious conservatives who are all for letting gays get married. You're just being a fool spouting bull shit lies.
 
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True.

Conservatives are for the most part authoritarian, a consequence of their reactionaryism, their fear and disdain of change, diversity, and dissent – and their use of government to compel conformity, such as their hostility toward gay Americans and the privacy rights of women.

:lmao:

The irony is delicious. All "liberal" democrats have done for the last several decades is use government to push conformity. From forcing the purchase of items to brow beating people who do not agree with them.
 
Let me ask again... how are you libertarians enjoying the open border you all want ?

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If you weren't too shallow to realize that one issue can not be solved without resolving the main issue, which you actually push for (welfare, SS, Minimum wage laws, etc), you might actually have had a valid question.

Slow day at the convenience store I suppose.
 
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians


You have 'flawed' propaganda from true authoritarians who reside on the right, not the left. Authoritarians kill people. Liberals protect people, especially the least among us.

Social Security and Medicare have not cost 'third parties' anything. They are social insurance programs. They are pay-go programs.

SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE

Social Security and Medicare have been prominent in the deficit and debt ceiling debate. Unfortunately, there is much misinformation and misunderstanding on how these programs work. Below are some key points to keep in mind about these important programs.

Social Security (SS) is NOT broke and despite claims to the contrary, Social Security does NOT contribute to the National debt or the deficit. By law, Social Security cannot borrow from the general fund and general funds cannot be appropriated for operational costs without changing the law. In 1983, to address the retirement of the baby boomers, President Reagan signed into law a bill raising the SS payroll tax and the retirement age.

The result is a $2.6 Trillion surplus in the SS trust fund held in the form of special issue Treasury notes – this means that SS actually loans money to the US Treasury. When SS expenses exceed SS income, Treasury notes are called and the Treasury must come up with the funds to cover the call, but this is NOT deficit spending. When Treasury notes are redeemed, the government debt to the SS trust is decreased, not increased. Even if no changes are made to SS taxes or benefits (unlikely), full benefits are still payable until 2036, after which 75% of benefits will still be paid without adding to the debt or the deficit.

Similarly, Medicare’s Hospital Insurance – Part “A” Trust Fund has a $272 Billion surplus in the form of special issue Treasury notes, but this Trust Fund is being exhausted at a more rapid rate than the SS Trust Fund. Two primary factors are driving Medicare expenditures to exceed income – increased enrollment and increased medical care expenses.

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) is moderating the increase in costs of medical care. However measured, the ACA brings about “sizable improvement in the financial outlook for Medicare compared to the law in effect prior to the Affordable Care Act”. If the ACA is repealed or defunded, the effect will drive up expenditures from the Medicare Trust Fund and accelerate the date of exhaustion of the fund. While Medicare does face a shortfall, it is NOT going bankrupt. Absent any corrective action (again, not likely), when the Trust fund becomes exhausted projected to occur in 2024, its income from Medicare payroll taxes and other sources will meet 90 percent of its projected obligations without adding to the debt or the deficit. Note that Medicare Parts “B” and “D” are self sustaining due to automatic income adjustments.

Although Medicare expenditures are high, they “have grown more slowly than insurance premiums over the past 40 years”. "A private health insurance plan covering the standardized benefit would, CBO estimates, be more expensive currently than traditional Medicare. Both administrative costs (including profits) and payment rates to providers are higher for private plans than for Medicare." However, according to a recent study, 12% of medical professionals are currently refusing to accept private insurance due to administrative burden and inadequate reimbursement rates. The corresponding Medicare refusal rate is 7%.



We have all made mistakes. But Dante tells us that divine justice weighs the sins of the cold-blooded and the sins of the warm-hearted on different scales. Better the occasional faults of a party living in the spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a party frozen in the ice of its own indifference.
President John F. Kennedy

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners"
Albert Camus
Trying to muddy the waters with text bricks does not work.

Your authoritarian welfare state is a money sucking failure, and you know it.

FACTS don't muddy waters. They only muddy dogma and destroy ignorance.

Authoritarians harm people. Without Medicare, the elderly in this country would be severely harmed. You right wingers are the authoritarians. YOU would willfully destroy the elderly in this country over an extreme and anti-human ideology. There is not a single brain cell in a right wing mind that allows you folks to put yourself in another person's shoe. You are totally self absorbed.

Medicare is the greatest accomplishment in the history of this nation...BY FAR. Nothing government has done can come close to the success of Medicare.

47 MILLIONÂ…the number of Americans for whom Medicare provides comprehensive health care

51 PERCENTÂ…the number of Americans 65 or older who did not have health care before Medicare was passed, while today virtually all elderly Americans have health care thanks to Medicare

30 PERCENTÂ…the number of elderly Americans who lived in poverty before Medicare, a number now reduced to 7.5 PERCENT

72 PERCENT…the number of Americans in a recent poll who said that Medicare is “extremely” or “very” important to their retirement security

Medicare assures health care for seniors who might otherwise find health care inaccessible. It saves our government money. It makes the lives of our seniors better.

Two concepts inspired Medicare. First, seniors require more care than younger Americans. Second, seniors usually live on less income; many survive only on Social Security. This combination renders seniors extremely vulnerable to losing their savings, homes or lives from easily treatable diseases.

And Medicare provides good care. American life expectancy at birth ranks 30th in the world. We remain 30th for the rest of our lives -- until we reach 65. Then, our rank rises until we reach 14th at 80. We can thank the remarkable access to health care provided by Medicare.

Every industrialized nation guarantees health care for seniors. Indeed, we are unhappily distinctive in being the only industrialized nation that does not guarantee care for everyone else, as well. Medicare restores us to a civilized status.

Before Medicare, only 40 percent of nonworking seniors had health insurance, and of those with coverage, private insurance paid for less than 10 percent of their hospital bills. The principle of insuring only the healthy who consume little care and avoiding the sick has always driven our private insurance industry. No insurance company can make money by offering the same comprehensive, affordable coverage to seniors as Medicare, so they don't offer it. Our experience with Medicare Advantage, an effort to privatize parts of Medicare, resulted in our government spending $17 billion more for the same benefits available through Medicare. Our private insurance industry was in no hurry to insure seniors before Medicare started. They are in no hurry now. Medicare revolutionized health care access for seniors.

Why is Medicare expensive? Simply, health care for seniors will always cost more than that of healthier, younger Americans. And costs are rising in every health care system around the world, not just Medicare. The United States is doubly cursed because our costs are rising faster and are already twice as expensive as other countries. Though hard to believe, Medicare is a leader in fighting cost increases. Private insurance industry costs are rising nearly twice as fast as those of Medicare. And when it comes to administrative expenses, private insurance is 10 times higher than Medicare. In fact, if the single payer financing of Medicare were applied to citizens of all ages, we would save $350 billion annually, more than enough to provide comprehensive health care to every American.

Medicare is good for our seniors and good for our country. It provides health care far more affordably and efficiently than our private insurance industry. It saves our country hundreds of billions of dollars in administrative overhead. And if we expand Medicare to cover younger, healthier Americans, we would all get more care at less cost.

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Yeah and your medicare is an unfunded liability that your children have to pay quadruple for than you did. Be proud that you screwed your children over! It's for their own good right?
 
Let me ask again... how are you libertarians enjoying the open border you all want ?

Tapatalk

If you weren't too shallow to realize that one issue can not be solved without resolving the main issue, which you actually push for (welfare, SS, Minimum wage laws, etc), you might actually have had a valid question.

Slow day at the convenience store I suppose.

Trying to move the goal post as normal . None of what you posted answers the question but i see you have no answers because all seem able to do is attack my job. Didn't expect much from those with small selfish minds

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If it's good for the government means it's generally bad for America

The government needs to but out of our lives. No more escalation!

-Geaux
 
Let me ask again... how are you libertarians enjoying the open border you all want ?

Tapatalk

I don't think most libertarians are for open boarders as long as the government is in the entitlement business. That being said, if government were scaled down to a much smaller optimum size, then open boarders would not be so much an issue because immigrants would have to make it on their own without sucking up public resources. However in the age of terrorism in which we live there should be some sort of screening process to keep the bad guys out.
 
Let me ask again... how are you libertarians enjoying the open border you all want ?

Tapatalk

If you weren't too shallow to realize that one issue can not be solved without resolving the main issue, which you actually push for (welfare, SS, Minimum wage laws, etc), you might actually have had a valid question.

Slow day at the convenience store I suppose.

Trying to move the goal post as normal . None of what you posted answers the question but i see you have no answers because all seem able to do is attack my job. Didn't expect much from those with small selfish minds

Tapatalk

Your question holds the merits of the same clump of shit spoken of above, Corky. You're not intelligent enough for these discussions. Go read some convenience store labels, fella.
 
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians


You have 'flawed' propaganda from true authoritarians who reside on the right, not the left. Authoritarians kill people. Liberals protect people, especially the least among us.

Social Security and Medicare have not cost 'third parties' anything. They are social insurance programs. They are pay-go programs.

SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE

Social Security and Medicare have been prominent in the deficit and debt ceiling debate. Unfortunately, there is much misinformation and misunderstanding on how these programs work. Below are some key points to keep in mind about these important programs.

Social Security (SS) is NOT broke and despite claims to the contrary, Social Security does NOT contribute to the National debt or the deficit. By law, Social Security cannot borrow from the general fund and general funds cannot be appropriated for operational costs without changing the law. In 1983, to address the retirement of the baby boomers, President Reagan signed into law a bill raising the SS payroll tax and the retirement age.

The result is a $2.6 Trillion surplus in the SS trust fund held in the form of special issue Treasury notes – this means that SS actually loans money to the US Treasury. When SS expenses exceed SS income, Treasury notes are called and the Treasury must come up with the funds to cover the call, but this is NOT deficit spending. When Treasury notes are redeemed, the government debt to the SS trust is decreased, not increased. Even if no changes are made to SS taxes or benefits (unlikely), full benefits are still payable until 2036, after which 75% of benefits will still be paid without adding to the debt or the deficit.

Similarly, Medicare’s Hospital Insurance – Part “A” Trust Fund has a $272 Billion surplus in the form of special issue Treasury notes, but this Trust Fund is being exhausted at a more rapid rate than the SS Trust Fund. Two primary factors are driving Medicare expenditures to exceed income – increased enrollment and increased medical care expenses.

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) is moderating the increase in costs of medical care. However measured, the ACA brings about “sizable improvement in the financial outlook for Medicare compared to the law in effect prior to the Affordable Care Act”. If the ACA is repealed or defunded, the effect will drive up expenditures from the Medicare Trust Fund and accelerate the date of exhaustion of the fund. While Medicare does face a shortfall, it is NOT going bankrupt. Absent any corrective action (again, not likely), when the Trust fund becomes exhausted projected to occur in 2024, its income from Medicare payroll taxes and other sources will meet 90 percent of its projected obligations without adding to the debt or the deficit. Note that Medicare Parts “B” and “D” are self sustaining due to automatic income adjustments.

Although Medicare expenditures are high, they “have grown more slowly than insurance premiums over the past 40 years”. "A private health insurance plan covering the standardized benefit would, CBO estimates, be more expensive currently than traditional Medicare. Both administrative costs (including profits) and payment rates to providers are higher for private plans than for Medicare." However, according to a recent study, 12% of medical professionals are currently refusing to accept private insurance due to administrative burden and inadequate reimbursement rates. The corresponding Medicare refusal rate is 7%.



We have all made mistakes. But Dante tells us that divine justice weighs the sins of the cold-blooded and the sins of the warm-hearted on different scales. Better the occasional faults of a party living in the spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a party frozen in the ice of its own indifference.
President John F. Kennedy

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners"
Albert Camus
Trying to muddy the waters with text bricks does not work.

Your authoritarian welfare state is a money sucking failure, and you know it.

FACTS don't muddy waters. They only muddy dogma and destroy ignorance.

Authoritarians harm people. Without Medicare, the elderly in this country would be severely harmed. You right wingers are the authoritarians. YOU would willfully destroy the elderly in this country over an extreme and anti-human ideology. There is not a single brain cell in a right wing mind that allows you folks to put yourself in another person's shoe. You are totally self absorbed.

Medicare is the greatest accomplishment in the history of this nation...BY FAR. Nothing government has done can come close to the success of Medicare.

47 MILLION…the number of Americans for whom Medicare provides comprehensive health care

51 PERCENT…the number of Americans 65 or older who did not have health care before Medicare was passed, while today virtually all elderly Americans have health care thanks to Medicare

30 PERCENT…the number of elderly Americans who lived in poverty before Medicare, a number now reduced to 7.5 PERCENT

72 PERCENT…the number of Americans in a recent poll who said that Medicare is “extremely” or “very” important to their retirement security

Medicare assures health care for seniors who might otherwise find health care inaccessible. It saves our government money. It makes the lives of our seniors better.

Two concepts inspired Medicare. First, seniors require more care than younger Americans. Second, seniors usually live on less income; many survive only on Social Security. This combination renders seniors extremely vulnerable to losing their savings, homes or lives from easily treatable diseases.

And Medicare provides good care. American life expectancy at birth ranks 30th in the world. We remain 30th for the rest of our lives -- until we reach 65. Then, our rank rises until we reach 14th at 80. We can thank the remarkable access to health care provided by Medicare.

Every industrialized nation guarantees health care for seniors. Indeed, we are unhappily distinctive in being the only industrialized nation that does not guarantee care for everyone else, as well. Medicare restores us to a civilized status.

Before Medicare, only 40 percent of nonworking seniors had health insurance, and of those with coverage, private insurance paid for less than 10 percent of their hospital bills. The principle of insuring only the healthy who consume little care and avoiding the sick has always driven our private insurance industry. No insurance company can make money by offering the same comprehensive, affordable coverage to seniors as Medicare, so they don't offer it. Our experience with Medicare Advantage, an effort to privatize parts of Medicare, resulted in our government spending $17 billion more for the same benefits available through Medicare. Our private insurance industry was in no hurry to insure seniors before Medicare started. They are in no hurry now. Medicare revolutionized health care access for seniors.

Why is Medicare expensive? Simply, health care for seniors will always cost more than that of healthier, younger Americans. And costs are rising in every health care system around the world, not just Medicare. The United States is doubly cursed because our costs are rising faster and are already twice as expensive as other countries. Though hard to believe, Medicare is a leader in fighting cost increases. Private insurance industry costs are rising nearly twice as fast as those of Medicare. And when it comes to administrative expenses, private insurance is 10 times higher than Medicare. In fact, if the single payer financing of Medicare were applied to citizens of all ages, we would save $350 billion annually, more than enough to provide comprehensive health care to every American.

Medicare is good for our seniors and good for our country. It provides health care far more affordably and efficiently than our private insurance industry. It saves our country hundreds of billions of dollars in administrative overhead. And if we expand Medicare to cover younger, healthier Americans, we would all get more care at less cost.

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Ah yes, another text brick of authoritarian left boilerplate, to try and divert from the previous text brick.

Fact remains that Medicare has failed to contain any costs. That it costs 10X more than it was supposed to is proof. Hell, Medicare D blew through its projected costs within its first year of existence. They are expensive because bureaucracy is inherently more expensive than the same service in the private sector, not to mention far more corrupt.

The numbers do not lie, champ.
 
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Let me ask again... how are you libertarians enjoying the open border you all want ?

Tapatalk

I don't think most libertarians are for open boarders as long as the government is in the entitlement business. That being said, if government were scaled down to a much smaller optimum size, then open boarders would not be so much an issue because immigrants would have to make it on their own without sucking up public resources. However in the age of terrorism in which we live there should be some sort of screening process to keep the bad guys out.
Cannot resolve the border issue in a vacuum.

Good call.
 
So all the libertarians are denying the platform use to call for open borders? Do any of you even know your party?

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So all the libertarians are denying the platform use to call for open borders? Do any of you even know your party?

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So you are hiding behind the policy of border security to divert for your continued support of the welfare state, which makes that border situation more difficult to secure?

We know your party. Cause the problems then claim to be the solution to them.

Thank you, no.
 
So all the libertarians are denying the platform use to call for open borders? Do any of you even know your party?

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So you are hiding behind the policy of border security to divert for your continued support of the welfare state, which makes that border situation more difficult to secure?

We know your party. Cause the problems then claim to be the solution to them.

Thank you, no.

I dont support welfare . I am not a democrat.

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Libertarian Party Platform.

https://www.lp.org/platform

In my state voters do not register by party! So technically I guess that makes everyone independents. That being said my philosophy leans heavily libertarian, but I don't agree 100% with the party platform. I doubt that there are many people that identify with any of the parties that agree with everything in their respective platforms.
 
Libertarian Party Platform.

https://www.lp.org/platform

In my state voters do not register by party! So technically I guess that makes everyone independents. That being said my philosophy leans heavily libertarian, but I don't agree 100% with the party platform. I doubt that there are many people that identify with any of the parties that agree with everything in their respective platforms.
I agree with the republican platform it is just the republicans in office i am not fond of. Especially liars like McConnell and Paul


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Libertarian Party Platform.

https://www.lp.org/platform

In my state voters do not register by party! So technically I guess that makes everyone independents. That being said my philosophy leans heavily libertarian, but I don't agree 100% with the party platform. I doubt that there are many people that identify with any of the parties that agree with everything in their respective platforms.
I agree with the republican platform it is just the republicans in office i am not fond of. Especially liars like McConnell and Paul


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I don't agree with the libertarian platform on abortion because I believe the unborn deserves liberty also. If you don't believed a fetus is a person, just wait a few weeks.
 
Libertarian Party Platform.

https://www.lp.org/platform

In my state voters do not register by party! So technically I guess that makes everyone independents. That being said my philosophy leans heavily libertarian, but I don't agree 100% with the party platform. I doubt that there are many people that identify with any of the parties that agree with everything in their respective platforms.
I agree with the republican platform it is just the republicans in office i am not fond of. Especially liars like McConnell and Paul


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I don't agree with the libertarian platform on abortion because I believe the unborn deserves liberty also. If you don't believed a fetus is a person, just wait a few weeks.
Life is also in the declaration which libertarians seem to forget even though it is before liberty. The only redeemable quality in libertarians are their hatred for taxes otherwise they have more in common with democrats. Definitely the old school ones like Byrd and Gore senior


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