Liberal vs Conservative; good vs evil

[MENTION=46449]Delta4Embassy[/MENTION]

An example of a liberal racist bigot asshole so that you can grow up and admit you don't have all the answers.

The rise of the conservative and the neo-liberal libertarian is an interesting development in American political and cultural history. It took off after the New Deal but only in the background for many years even decades. A fascinating book on the topic is quoted below.

"The rise of conservative politics in postwar America is one of the great puzzles of American political history. For much of the period that followed the end of World War II, conservative ideas about the primacy of the free market, and the dangers of too-powerful labor unions, government regulation, and an activist, interventionist state seemed to have been thoroughly rejected by most intellectual and political elites. Scholars and politicians alike dismissed those who adhered to such faiths as a "radical right," for whom to quote the Columbia University historian Richard Hofstadter politics "becomes an arena into which the wildest fancies are projected, the most paranoid suspicions, the most absurd superstitions, the most bizarre apocalyptic fantasies." How, then, did such ideas move from their marginal position in the middle years of the twentieth century to become the reigning politics of the country by the century's end?" Kim Phillips-Fein ('Invisible Hands')

The blending of religion and so called free market capitalism is another aspect of this change. Religion today is not about people and community, it is about isolated single issues and fundamentalism mixed with a victim blame ingredient. The fact there are no jobs isn't mentioned, instead the unemployed is responsible for a situation much more complicated than any care to acknowledge.

"Yet, more recently, as William Connolly and others have demonstrated, Christian religion and capitalist economics have again been fused tightly in the extreme conservative movement that has captured the Republican Party. This, I believe, is the main reason that so much of their economic reasoning appears irrational and in direct violation of mainstream economics. It disregards almost all available evidence regarding the efficacy of their specific, or more appropriately, often unspecific, economic policy proposals." The Contemporary Condition: The Church of Capitalism: Why Right-Wing Economics is Once Again not Rational

Add to this the power of money in America and you have today. What are there, something like ten thousand lobbyists in Washington, add campaign finance, add corporate union destruction and the shift of manufacturing and you have a permanent underclass. Money talks in America, actually money controls the nation today and lots of it comes from some pretty ideologically driven people who values are not about the nation.

"It was 1993, during congressional debate over the North American Free Trade Agreement. I was having lunch with a staffer for one of the rare Republican congressmen who opposed the policy of so-called free trade. To this day, I remember something my colleague said: “The rich elites of this country have far more in common with their counterparts in London, Paris, and Tokyo than with their fellow American citizens.” That was only the beginning of the period when the realities of outsourced manufacturing, financialization of the economy, and growing income disparity started to seep into the public consciousness, so at the time it seemed like a striking and novel statement." Mike Lofgren Revolt of the Rich | The American Conservative

"Television and radio, though, had a homogenizing effect on the right, and the tension between class (with a high tone) and ideology (rabble rousing) worked itself out, with the millionaires learning how to sound angry and enjoy it, and the grassroots getting trained to accept anger as a substitute for policy results. The populist New Right and Buchananite right lost their manpower to Roger Ailes, while the elite right gave up the fight for realism and broadmindedness." Daniel McCarthy
How Conservatism Lost Its Mind | The American Conservative


A bit short and cynical but.... http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/50872-use-this-handy-parable-to-understand-politics.html

Understanding the conservative: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/219584-the-american-conservative-continuing-series.html See links in post too.

My constant question to conservatives: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/226033-dear-liberals-i-want-a-divorce-27.html#post5366011

this piece starts with an observation that is changing as the gop fights the gop: http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...es-of-midcans-insights-into-contemporary.html

And still more:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/clean...states-if-conservatives-left.html#post7276058
http://www.usmessageboard.com/clean...ates-if-conservatives-left-2.html#post7279256


"But you say you are conservative - eminently conservative - while we are revolutionary, destructive, or something of the sort. What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried? We stick to, contend for, the identical old policy on the point in controversy which was adopted by "our fathers who framed the Government under which we live;" while you with one accord reject, and scout, and spit upon that old policy, and insist upon substituting something new. True, you disagree among yourselves as to what that substitute shall be. You are divided on new propositions and plans, but you are unanimous in rejecting and denouncing the old policy of the fathers. Some of you are for reviving the foreign slave trade; some for a Congressional Slave-Code for the Territories; some for Congress forbidding the Territories to prohibit Slavery within their limits; some for maintaining Slavery in the Territories through the judiciary; some for the "gur-reat pur-rinciple" that "if one man would enslave another, no third man should object," fantastically called "Popular Sovereignty;" but never a man among you is in favor of federal prohibition of slavery in federal territories, according to the practice of "our fathers who framed the Government under which we live." Not one of all your various plans can show a precedent or an advocate in the century within which our Government originated. Consider, then, whether your claim of conservatism for yourselves, and your charge or destructiveness against us, are based on the most clear and stable foundations." Abraham Lincoln
Abraham Lincoln's Cooper Union Address
 
Wow that psychological analysis article was right:

Conservatives are more sensitive and easily offended by insults than liberals...Conservatives are more anxious...Conservatives need someone to hold their hand to walk them down a dark hallway in their own homes. (Ok I added that last one.)
 
Wow that psychological analysis article was right:

Conservatives are more sensitive and easily offended by insults than liberals...Conservatives are more anxious...Conservatives need someone to hold their hand to walk them down a dark hallway in their own homes. (Ok I added that last one.)

That's code for you just got owned in your own hate thread. We get it, you're great and everyone else that is not like you is a pos... Arrogant much?
 
Liberals vs greedy idiot mega rich Pubs and their poor silly dupes ya mean. see sig para. 1...

Says the far left Obama drone.

Always sad when people take nicknames of great people or characters then through ignorance and stupidity completely butcher those figures' reputations.

Here's a Kosh quote for you, "You do not understand, but you will."

If all you can do is call people names, should rename yourself to like Bester. You're a pathetic example of Kosh or any other Vorlon.
 
The OP is kind of a lengthy ad hominen attack/strawman argument that is basically worthless. There are all kinds of bigotry. In my experience, bigotry is not confined to any one group based on any variable (i.e. color, religion, political belief, etc.).

Bigotry exists in the human heart. In some more than others. I think political ideology has very little to do with it.


Yup, great point.

What I see happening is the rotten combination of innate human bigotry fueled by widespread national narcissism. All the name-calling, personal insults, lying -- it's all apparently acceptable, taken for granted, because we all seem to think we have some kind of right to it.

It's not about fixing problems, it's about getting the other guy. Politics just makes a convenient vehicle for the behavior because it provides simplistic teams to which we can belong and relate. An ideological excuse for our behaviors.

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The OP is kind of a lengthy ad hominen attack/strawman argument that is basically worthless. There are all kinds of bigotry. In my experience, bigotry is not confined to any one group based on any variable (i.e. color, religion, political belief, etc.).

Bigotry exists in the human heart. In some more than others. I think political ideology has very little to do with it.

I like your use of Obama's pajama boy for your avatar.
OMG!

The pussification of the American male continues.
Let's all huddle around my PC's monitor where I have a fireplace app running
and we can drink our hot cocoa and discuss ObamaCare.

I doubt this guy/gal? watches Duck Dynasty.... If you know what I mean! :eek:
 
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his show "Bullshit" was pretty good...

he's a moron... he will always been a moron and that's no bullshit ... his shows are Mediocre at best ... why anyone would watch a show of his is beyond me ... I can't get to my remote fast enough if his face hits the screen ..
 
Also zealots, paranoids, and conservatives deal in absolutes and generalities. Don't be one of those.

Funny, you see zealots, paranoids and conservatives as dealing in absolutes; yet here you are dealing in absolutes. Quite funny how you lump them all into the same group...

It's not that humorous but this morning I have a little more time and can speak with a little more brevity. I disliked the OP and rather than write a lengthy rebuttal I bluntly attacked the major flaw in his post being his use of black and white, either/or language to get a poorly thought out point across. It does sometime feel that the unholy marriage of big business and conservative/capitalist/religious dogma is a creation of the devil himself leading to all sorts of terrible outcomes for the powerless, I feel his frustration with some of you, but it's like any other group of humans, individually most of you are decent people but collectively you often suck.
 
Racism in politics isn't about mere hated of minorities be they ethnic, religious, or something else. It's about power. Conservative power. Since most ethnic minorities vote democrat, the more minorities there are, the less political power conservative politicians will keep control of as they get voted out of office.

Watching these forums and threads all the racist ones are from conservatives. Or at least, I've yet to see one from a liberal or democract. I don't believe all conservatives are racist. But the fact remains that while not all Muslims are extremists, and not all extremists are terrorists, if the only Muslims we ever hear from are the terrorist variety then in a way all Muslims are terrorists. Just as in the same way, all conservatives are racists.

But it gets worse. Conservative/Republican strategy to win elections can never win stating their racist views so they do the next best (worse) thing: They try to bribe their way in by promising to lower taxes (which is really just putting more money into the hands of the voters which is what a bribe is.) Democrats don't try to buy your vote and usually (or so goes the conventional thinking) raise your taxes.

This election is about good and evil as it so often is. Can vote for the racist party of bribers, or the party of those who actually follow the laws of G-d rather than ignoring them except when politically convenient.

G-d commands us to be charitable. Democrats wanna raise taxes to better provide for the weakest and poorest among us. (Deuteronomy 15:7-10) Republicans wanna cut such funding since they believe everyone should earn their own daily bread regardless.

G-d commands us not to take a bribe. (Exodus 23:8) Voting in any part because of the promise of lower taxes is accepting a bribe. And if accepting a bribe is bad, so too is offering one.

G-d commands us to love each other and our neighbors (Leviticus 19:18) Democrats aren't the ones against illegal immigration to the extent Republicans are because we remember we were all illegal in the beginning. Republicans seem to think white people originated here in North America.

you are so full of shit, you put a sewage disposal plant to shame. :up: ......... :lmao:
 
Interesting idea the Repus bribe with tax cuts and Dems bribe with hand outs.

Of course if you make subsistence wages to begin with, tax cuts don't really appeal to you.

So where does that leave the Republicans? Wondering why poor people don't vote repub.

Republican just are not smart enough to figure this out. Poor and middle class people need good paying jobs.

Not more tax cuts. And not more benefit cuts. And more cuts and more cuts. Sometimes I think Rethugs want to kill off the poor with the death of a thousand cuts.
 
Interesting idea the Repus bribe with tax cuts and Dems bribe with hand outs.

Of course if you make subsistence wages to begin with, tax cuts don't really appeal to you.

So where does that leave the Republicans? Wondering why poor people don't vote repub.

Republican just are not smart enough to figure this out. Poor and middle class people need good paying jobs.

Not more tax cuts. And not more benefit cuts. And more cuts and more cuts. Sometimes I think Rethugs want to kill off the poor with the death of a thousand cuts.

so you are saying that the poor need jobs not tax cuts.....but i notice you did not mention those hand outs.....you do realize that they get a job the hand outs stop and then they get the tax cuts......then who are they going to lean towards voting for?...just askin....
 
The problem with many conservatives, is they only want to be around people just like them. Which makes them mentally incapable of being anywhere near a public office. Just being around "your kind", promotes the "my way, or highway" mentality. And in politics, it's all about "diplomacy" and "compromise". No one gets everything they want. But you're not going to see that hanging around your own ilk.

you.., Mr. Dumbshit, have defined liberals/democRATS very well with your statement. being indoctrinated into the liarberal idiotology you are a good commie :up:
 

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