Letting sixteen year olds vote is a foot in the door to end childhood early - or eliminate it altogether

[Seymour Flops]

Everyone else can see that you're so focused on the socialist angle that you're missing the relevance of the dictatorship portion of that equation.

Not at all.

If you know of some non-socialist dictatorships that took rights and protections away from children, I'll be happy to talk about them. I'd especially like to talk about any full socialist countries that you know of which did not become dictatorships.

So name these countries then where children have no rights and then go ahead and connect those regimes to anything advocated by progressives in America.

I noted the obvious similarities between socialist dictatorships and the goals of American progressives, I didn't say that they were "connected."

 

[DBA]

Golly!!
I can only wonder what the Dimm's will promise to young'uns to buy their vote!
The possibilities are endless!!

A ”free” PS5 would most certainly guarantee them victory. And the physiological adults who vote for Democrats would go right along with it. We have been infiltrated and indoctrinated by our enemies. Democrats are too brainwashed and naive to even see it. Perfect, albeit patient, plan that is coming to full fruition.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Not sure what you consider extreme, but I can assure you that in my red state the very heavily Republican affluent class is far from practicing incest. You sound like a typical lefty from a large NE urban area who believes Southerners are riding around in their horse and buggies only to swing by on vacation and realize that our life is far better than theirs. They sell their dump and move here to a much nicer life, but then continue vote for the morons that were running the dump they left. Amazing stupidity.

IKR?

Typical Californian moves to Texas and thinks 'This was a great idea! The weather here is not quite as nice as it was in LA, but at least we're not over-run by gangs, paying taxes out the ass, and paying double the price for gasoline, then getting carjacked as we pull out of the Shell.

'Only thing I don't get about these Texans is how they are so racist that they vote Republican. Even Bob at work who adopted two black kids voted for the RepubliKlan. I'm proud to say that I voted for that Latino, Beto!'

Cause and effect completely escape them.

 

[Resnic]

Golly!!
I can only wonder what the Dimm's will promise to young'uns to buy their vote!
The possibilities are endless!!

They don't have to offer them anything.

For the most part young people think with their raw emotions, tend to not be conservative, rash, very very easily are influenced by groups, idealistic, think they know how everything works, and think everything in life is as simple as "everyone deserves to make 30 dollars an hour. Everyone should be rich".

Especially today's today's youth. I would say today's youth aren't knowledgeable about anything till they are 25 or even 28.

A 16 year old from 60 years ago is smart, tougher and more mature than a lot of 21 year olds are today.

 

[Curried Goats]

Not at all.

If you know of some non-socialist dictatorships that took rights and protections away from children, I'll be happy to talk about them. I'd especially like to talk about any full socialist countries that you know of which did not become dictatorships.

What I'm wondering is what any dictatorship has to do with anything promoted by American progressives.

I noted the obvious similarities between socialist dictatorships and the goals of American progressives, I didn't say that they were "connected."

What goals, Shortbus? Voting rights aren't usually a priority for dictators.

 

[Seymour Flops]

What I'm wondering is what any dictatorship has to do with anything promoted by American progressives.

Too much to list in a single post. To start with, dictatorships and American progressives both focus on growing government.

What goals, Shortbus? Voting rights aren't usually a priority for dictators.

Oh, we're fine with getting personal, now? You childishly whined about arguments getting personal, so I took it easy on you after that. I'm a special education teacher, so "Shortbus" is about as personal as it gets for me. Don't cry when you get it back, my dude.

Voting rights are not a priority for dictators. Taking rights and protections away from children is a priority for dictatorships and American progressives.

Now, about those full socialist countries that did not become dictatorships? Are you working on the list?

 

[Curried Goats]

Too much to list in a single post. To start with, dictatorships and American progressives both focus on growing government.

Do you have anything more specific? Wanting to cut military spending is the opposite of growth.

Oh, we're fine with getting personal, now? You childishly whined about arguments getting personal, so I took it easy on you after that. I'm a special education teacher, so "Shortbus" is about as personal as it gets for me. Don't cry when you get it back, my dude.

You misunderstood Snowflake. I don't mind if your argument contains insults but it should contain more than just insults.

Voting rights are not a priority for dictators. Taking rights and protections away from children is a priority for dictatorships and American progressives.

By giving them voting rights...? Do you have political dyslexia or something? Is that why special education is so personal to you?

Now, about those full socialist countries that did not become dictatorships? Are you working on the list?

Why do I need to work on your Strawman?

 

[Marener]

A typical 16 year old isn't aware and they're still a child.

It's just a vote grabbing scenario... sorta like illegal immigration

They’re old enough to march around with an AR15 in the middle of a riot.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Do you have anything more specific? Wanting to cut military spending is the opposite of growth.

Is your claim that progressives do not want to grow government, then? Pointing out one "cut" that progressives occasionally mention doesn't support that claim.

You misunderstood Snowflake. I don't mind if your argument contains insults but it should contain more than just insults.

I used the word "childish" in reponse to your childish "can you proooooove it" non-argument and you melted down.

By giving them voting rights...? Do you have political dyslexia or something? Is that why special education is so personal to you?

Keeping 16 year-olds from voting protects them from the kind of bad decisions that sixteen year olds are well-known for making. You doe not seem to have grown out of that, but most people have matured much more by 21, than by 16.

Why do I need to work on your Strawman?

You were the one trying to disconnect socialism from dictatorship. I'm glad you now backpedal and agree that they are connected strongly.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Do you have anything more specific? Wanting to cut military spending is the opposite of growth.

They want to cut military spending?

How deep did the NDAA that the Democrats just passed cut military spending, then?

 

[Curried Goats]

Is your claim that progressives do not want to grow government, then? Pointing out one "cut" that progressives occasionally mention doesn't support that claim.

It points out that "growth" is a silly accusation without context. Do you care to try and provide any? Are we all supposed to be frightened that progressives want a government that does stuff?

I used the word "childish" in reponse to your childish "can you proooooove it" non-argument and you melted down.

Care to show that? I don't know what specifically you're referencing but I'm sure it's hilarious. Asking you to provide evidence of your claims isn't childish or melting down. It's the least you should expect when you make an argument.

Keeping 16 year-olds from voting protects them from the kind of bad decisions that sixteen year olds are well-known for making. You doe not seem to have grown out of that, but most people have matured much more by 21, than by 16.

Do you have children? The bad decisions you want to protect them from involve putting themselves in physical or legal harm. What potential harm arises from them voting?

You were the one trying to disconnect socialism from dictatorship. I'm glad you now backpedal and agree that they are connected strongly.

Authoritarian regimes aren't inherently socialist as I proved with the American Founders and you've yet to prove any connection between American progressives and authoritarian regimes. Advocating for more comprehensive social welfare isn't the same thing as advocating for authoritarianism. Many democratic countries manage to provide education, housing and Healthcare to their citizens to greater effect than we do without devolving into violent autocracies. Stop being a bitchy little Snowflake.

 

[Curried Goats]

They want to cut military spending?

How deep did the NDAA that the Democrats just passed cut military spending, then?

Who said every Democrat was a progressive?

 

[Seymour Flops]

It points out that "growth" is a silly accusation without context. Do you care to try and provide any? Are we all supposed to be frightened that progressives want a government that does stuff?

I did not say to be frightened of a government that does stuff. I said that growing government is an aim that progressives and dictatorships have in common.

Care to show that? I don't know what specifically you're referencing but I'm sure it's hilarious. Asking you to provide evidence of your claims isn't childish or melting down. It's the least you should expect when you make an argument.

Is it?

How can you prove that?

Do you have children? The bad decisions you want to protect them from involve putting themselves in physical or legal harm. What potential harm arises from them voting?

That they would vote for whichever politician gives them the most "free" stuff and end up living in a country that collapses from debt when they are adults. That they would vote for politicians that promise economic equality and end up living in the kind of authoritarian regime that comes from trying to keep such a promise.

Authoritarian regimes aren't inherently socialist as I proved with the American Founders and you've yet to prove any connection between American progressives and authoritarian regimes.

You keep asking me to "prove" claims I never made.

Advocating for more comprehensive social welfare isn't the same thing as advocating for authoritarianism. Many democratic countries manage to provide education, housing and Healthcare to their citizens to greater effect than we do without devolving into a violent regime. Stop being a bitchy little Snowflake.

They may not have devolved into violent regimes yet. That doesn't prove that they won't become dictatorships, as have other authoritarian nations who promised economic equality.

You can't try to equalize economic outcomes without being authoritarian. The free market provides opportunity and abundance, but it never provides equal outcomes. Sooner or later, the people realize that the authoritarians they welcomed due to their promises of economic equality have only made life worse for them and move to abolish that system. At that point, the authoritarian government either cracks down and becomes a dictatorship, or it goes away.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Who said every Democrat was a progressive?

So, who is in favor of cutting military spending? How many Democrats voted against that monster Defense Authorization?

 

[mikegriffith1]

This is an absurd proposal. A 16-year-old's brain is not even fully developed. The reasoning portion of the brain does not fully develop until around the age of 21.

This is one of the reasons that letting 18-year-olds vote was a mistake. An 18-year-old has very little life experience, has a brain that's not fully developed, and is usually still dependent on his/her parents for basic necessities.

 

[Curried Goats]

I did not say to be frightened of a government that does stuff. I said that growing government is an aim that progressives and dictatorships have in common.

Like breathing air and farting. Wow. What a non specific connection.

That they would vote for whichever politician gives them the most "free" stuff and end up living in a country that collapses from debt when they are adults.

The American workforce has never been more productive or had such low unemployment. People don't want free stuff that's just ridiculous demagoguery that isn't supported by any actual facts.

That they would vote for politicians that promise economic equality and end up living in the kind of authoritarian regime that comes from trying to keep such a promise.

We just had 70 million Trump voters do the same. How could 16 year olds be worse?

You keep asking me to "prove" claims I never made.

They may not have devolved into violent regimes yet. That doesn't prove that they won't become dictatorships, as have other authoritarian nations who promised economic equality.

That you think I have to prove they won't ever become dictatorships shows exactly where you are with your ability to reason and handle simple logic.

You can't try to equalize economic outcomes without being authoritarian. The free market provides opportunity and abundance, but it never provides equal outcomes. Sooner or later, the people realize that the authoritarians they welcomed due to their promises of economic equality have only made life worse for them and move to abolish that system. At that point, the authoritarian government either cracks down and becomes a dictatorship, or it goes away.

That's an interesting theory but the results from the rest of the developed world tell a different story.

 

[Curried Goats]

So, who is in favor of cutting military spending? How many Democrats voted against that monster Defense Authorization?

Not sure the number but the usual progressives voted against it. AOC, Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush, Ayanna Pressley, Ilham Omar, Ro Khanna, Barbra Lee, Rashida Tlaib, Jamie Raskin, Barbara Lee, Katie Porter, Elizabeth Warren, Corey Booker, Bernie Sanders...

 

[Care4all]

This is an absurd proposal. A 16-year-old's brain is not even fully developed. The reasoning portion of the brain does not fully develop until around the age of 21.

This is one of the reasons that letting 18-year-olds vote was a mistake. An 18-year-old has very little life experience, has a brain that's not fully developed, and is usually still dependent on his/her parents for basic necessities.

If you can draft them in to war at 18, they should be able to vote! Imo

You are right on mind development not being complete at 18, but that is for males....their mental development goes in to the mid twenties before complete. Female brains fully develop a few years earlier than male.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Like breathing air and farting. Wow. What a non specific connection.

I guess you will keep insisting that I claimed a connection. If you want to argue against your own halucinations, I'll be happy to watch and laugh.

Desire for a large government is an idea that is common to Dictatorships and progressives, but not to me. So, it is not like breathing air and farting.

The American workforce has never been more productive or had such low unemployment. People don't want free stuff that's just ridiculous demagoguery that isn't supported by any actual facts.

Wait, what?

Progressives don't want welfare, student loan payoffs, food stamps, government housing, needles for drug addicts, treatment for drug addicts, public education, free college, stimulus checks, and artificially high wages, all paid for by others?

I'd love to see you prove that.

We just had 70 million Trump voters do the same. How could 16 year olds be worse?

Wait, what? You can prove that Trump promised economic equality? When did he do that?

That you think I have to prove they won't ever become dictatorships shows exactly where you are with your ability to reason and handle simple logic.

You are supposed to prove your claims, not I.

That's an interesting theory but the results from the rest of the developed whittle tell a different story.

The developed whittle what?

Is that more Jamaican Patois?

What story does the results of the "whittle" tell about equalizing economic outcomes?

Not sure the number but the usual progressives voted against it. AOC, Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush, Ayanna Pressley, Ilham Omar, Ro Khanna, Barbra Lee, Rashida Tlaib, Jamie Raskin, Barbara Lee, Katie Porter, Elizabeth Warren, Corey Booker, Bernie Sanders...

159 Democrats voted for it.

 

[Curried Goats]

I guess you will keep insisting that I claimed a connection. If you want to argue against your own halucinations, I'll be happy to watch and laugh.

So there is no connection between authoritarian dictators and American progressives? Glad we could clear that up.

Desire for a large government is an idea that is common to Dictatorships and progressives, but not to me. So, it is not like breathing air and farting.

The fact that you don't think it matters what kind of government is telling on how strong this connection really is....

Wait, what?

Progressives don't want welfare, student loan payoffs, food stamps, government housing, needles for drug addicts, treatment for drug addicts, public education, free college, stimulus checks, and artificially high wages, all paid for by others?

No one has a 1 to 1 tax relationship with the government. Stop being silly.

I'd love to see you prove that.

Wait, what? You can prove that Trump promised economic equality? When did he do that?

No he was the authoritarian side of the equation.

You are supposed to prove your claims, not I.

The developed whittle what?

Is that more Jamaican Patois?

What story does the results of the "whittle" tell about equalizing economic outcomes?

Predictive swipe texting turned world into whittle. The rest of the developed world produces better educational and Healthcare outcomes for its citizens than we do.

159 Democrats voted for it.

And? Progressives voted against it. Like I said, not every Democrat is a progressive.