Letting sixteen year olds vote is a foot in the door to end childhood early - or eliminate it altogether

[Mac-7]

I don't know what planet you live on, but they already decide that.

Can you be more clear?

Decided what?

 

[jillian]

Letting 16-year-olds vote is a way for Democrats to get more votes.

Interesting. I’ve never seen such a proposal.

But I’ve seen lots of right wing freaks try to keep everyone except angry white male Christian supremacists from voting

 

[SassyIrishLass]

A hundred years ago 16 year olds had a lot of adult responsibilities that many 26 year olds don't have today. It's all about the culture and how we raise our kids.

I'll agree with that... but if you're trying to say 16 year olds should be able to vote? No. Go there and they should be able to do anything an adult can do, drink, buy weapons, etc etc.

Let's not go there. It's a democrat vote scheme

 

[jillian]

I don't know what planet you live on, but they already decide that.

I’m pretty sure it’s some red states where you can marry off your 13 year old.

 

[Donald H]

The title of this thread makes absolutely no sense!

Voting has nothing at all to do with 'ending' childhood.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I’m pretty sure it’s some red states where you can marry off your 13 year old.

Once again, you're "pretty sure" about something that is completely false:

Marriage Age by State 2024

 

[Seymour Flops]

The title of this thread makes absolutely no sense!

Voting has nothing at all to do with 'ending' childhood.

The OP explains in some detail why it does.

I get it, progressives have short attention spans and therefore read headlines only.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Interesting. I’ve never seen such a proposal.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-joint-resolution/23/all-info

But I’ve seen lots of right wing freaks try to keep everyone except angry white male Christian supremacists from voting

Show me any such proposal.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I’m pretty sure it’s some red states where you can marry off your 13 year old.

California for example? Oops not a red state.

Jillian sits there, flummoxed

 

[WTH_Progs?]

No one paying attention can miss that Democrats are pushing for childhood, as we know it, to end early, if not be abolished.

By "childhood," I mean the legal and societal protections have been afforded for young people prior to adulthood. Throughout history, there have been protections for children, if not provided by law, provided by parents. This has been universal in every known society existing or in the past.

Except . . . in socialist dictatorships.

In socialist dictatorships, such as Nazi German, Communist China, and the Soviet Union, and smaller socialist dictatorships, children were openly called "property of the state." Children had the same rights as adults, because adults had no rights at all. Children were also "fair game" for conscription and combat. Children were expected to fulfill the same political obligations, such as attending meetings and rallies, reporting dissent to authorities, and reciting the approved socialist slogans.

In the U.S., the moves to end childhood are more subtle and ad hoc, but all leading to the same goal. If children get to vote at sixteen, lowering the age of consent is an obvious next step. So is allowing them to make all medical decisions for themselves. The proponents of lower voting age may not have thought of this, but they will also soon be allowed to sign contracts that bind them as adults.

Meanwhile for children under sixteen, protections will also be eroded. Those protections have come from law and from parental oversight. When it comes to transgender "treatment," government, in the forms of schools and CPS, are already moving to take this oversight away from parents. Not by passing a law cutting parents out of the process, because that would never - ever - be passed by elected officials. The aim is to normalize gender dysphoria, which is a recognized mental disorder, then "identify" as many confused kids as transgender as they can.

Again the aim is children with the same rights as adults, which they achieve through taking rights from adults and giving rights to children. They will say that a ten year old can decide to start hormone treatments after being identified as transgender by a school counselor, but they will never say that a seventeen year old can decide to carry a pistol when going home from her job at McDonalds after dark. The former, they want for everyone from birth to death, and the latter they want for no one.

Transgender Porn is a growth industry.

If nothing else, transgender porn is becoming a hot seller. GameLink, an online porn provider, says its sales of transgender porn have increased 14 percent in the past year, and now make up 10 percent of its overall revenue.

Perhaps even more surprising than the numbers is who’s watching it. California and New York were the top two states—accounting for 17.6 and 7.3 percent of transgender porn sales on GameLink last year. Not a big surprise, given the generally liberal leanings of both states. And Illinois’ entry at No. 3—with 5.6 percent—may not surprise some people.

A large group of confused and depressed boys who think they can achieve happiness through medical and surgical treatment to resemble girls clearly has a lot of appeal to many progressives. For those who find that idea appealing, starting the treatments at an early age is vital, so that the boys don't change their minds, and so that puberty doesn't make it more difficult for them to achieve the desired (by progressives) feminine look on a male body.

Absent that motivation, the actions of transactivists toward children in the U.S. would make no sense at all.

The Democrats desire that children vote because they know they're shallow thinkers and easily swayed by the propaganda of which 99% is controlled by the left elite.

Show me a leftist I'll show you the mentally lazy with high dependencies.

 

[Donald H]

The OP explains in some detail why it does.

I get it, progressives have short attention spans and therefore read headlines only.

I've stated my opinion and I'm standing by it!

The socalled 'headline' disqualifies any need to read further.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I've stated my opinion and I'm standing by it!

The socalled 'headline' disqualifies any need to read further.

So shut up

 

[Seymour Flops]

Current atrocities being perpetuated by who? I'm guessing any of your modern examples are going to be authoritarians and dictators or capitalists entities operating in countries ran by authoritarians and dictators. That's going to be your common thread right there.

Yes, those authoritarian socialists are guilty of many atrocities.

But in my OP, I was speaking in particular about the atrocities being committed by progressives in the United States.

Which progressives? Do you have any examples?

So no. Just ridiculous cosplay and hyperbole.

How is allowing human traffickers to force pre-teens and early-teens into sex work not an example of ending protections like child labor laws?

 

[Seymour Flops]

I've stated my opinion and I'm standing by it!

The socalled 'headline' disqualifies any need to read further.

Ok, then.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The Democrats desire that children vote because they know they're shallow thinkers and easily swayed by the propaganda of which 99% is controlled by the left elite.

Show me a leftist I'll show you the mentally lazy with high dependencies.

If they were to succed in giving kids the vote before 2024, it might backfire on them. Nothing sways kids like mean tweets and the Democrats' orange nemesis is the master of them.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The disconnect I see in all this is progressives are saying you can't choose to smoke, drink or use guns before 21, but you can vote and decide to mutilate yourself via surgery or medication before 21, sometimes way before 21.

This is the disconnect for our whole country, not just the progressives. We as a country cannot decide when someone is an adult. There should be one age for it all, everything from voting, to joining the military, to signing a contract, to drinking, to smoking to it all.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

If they were to succed in giving kids the vote before 2024, it might backfire on them. Nothing sways kids like mean tweets and the Democrats' orange nemesis is the master of them.

Any attempt to get 16 year old's the right to vote is limited to city elections, nothing more.

 

[martybegan]

This is the disconnect for our whole country, not just the progressives. We as a country cannot decide when someone is an adult. There should be one age for it all, everything from voting, to joining the military, to signing a contract, to drinking, to smoking to it all.

I was perfectly happy with everything being at 18.

The other thing is when you try to enforce vice laws and end up not really being able to enforce them, you end up giving people overall disrespect for the law.

I was drinking at 18 even if the drinking age was 21.

 

[martybegan]

Any attempt to get 16 year old's the right to vote is limited to city elections, nothing more.

That's where it starts. Same as allowing non-citizens to vote in local elections.

How can you prevent either from voting in federal elections if the ballots are secret?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I was perfectly happy with everything being at 18.

The other thing is when you try to enforce vice laws and end up not really being able to enforce them, you end up giving people overall disrespect for the law.

I was drinking at 18 even if the drinking age was 21.

I was legally drinking at 18, then they moved it to 19 and I was grandfathered in, then they moved it to 21 and the same.

I was drinking heavily at 16