Lets talk EVs

[badger2]

good, but you seem to be supporting his stupid policies. why?

There is no notable IQ behind Biden's CIA handlers ordering him to jump on the ev bandwagon. Therefore, higher IQs will know to boycott the propensity to equate Biden with cutting-edge ev technology.

 

[Hellbilly]

If you buy an EV, is the electricity to recharge it free? how is that electricity generated? how long do the batteries last, how much is a replacement. and how do we dispose of the toxic old batteries? How much to install a charging station in your garage and how much will your power bill increase if you recharge the EV each night?

It makes no economic sense, it makes no environmental sense.

You are obsessed with the wrong thing. The problem is not the charging. The problem is the software that runs the car. I work in the auto industry and I see it daily. The EV is not ready for the public yet.

 

[pknopp]

You are obsessed with the wrong thing. The problem is not the charging. The problem is the software that runs the car. I work in the auto industry and I see it daily. The EV is not ready for the public yet.

Yet, many in the public seem to like them very much. Ready as the only choice? No.

 

[Blues Man]

so for ~ 40 miles of ev travel, it either costs $.25 or nothing.

Ebikes are extremely limited as to where you can use them though.

 

[Hellbilly]

Yet, many in the public seem to like them very much. Ready as the only choice? No.

People love them. We sell a shit ton of them. Totally not ready. When they are I’ll buy one.

 

[pknopp]

People love them. We sell a shit ton of them. Totally not ready. When they are I’ll buy one.

So you are saying for many they are ready.

 

[Hellbilly]

So you are saying for many they are ready.

Customers think so. Time will tell.

 

[Hellbilly]

So you are saying for many they are ready.

They did solve the problem of not wearing seatbelts tho. If you don’t have a seatbelt on the car will stop with no warning if you move in your seat.

 

[DGS49]

If you buy an EV, is the electricity to recharge it free? how is that electricity generated? how long do the batteries last, how much is a replacement. and how do we dispose of the toxic old batteries? How much to install a charging station in your garage and how much will your power bill increase if you recharge the EV each night?

It makes no economic sense, it makes no environmental sense.

Tesla had a program where you could use their superchargers for free for a couple of years. Not now relevant.

As a rule of thumb, charging a modern EV (at least 220 miles of range) from 10% to 90% costs about five bucks if you do it at home, ten if you use a public charger. 90% of charging is done at home. That five bucks compares to $25-30 for an equivalent amount of gas at a gas station. The EPA provides Miles-per-Gallon-Equivalent for every EV sold in America, and it generally runs from 90 to 110. From a cost-to-operate standpoint it ABSOLUTELY makes sense to buy an EV. There is no radiator, no transmission or differential(s). For Tesla's, which offer one-pedal driving, your brakes will last "forever."

Cheap EV's are available. The Chevy Bolt EUV has over 200 miles of range, performs pretty well, and can easily be had for $28k. Within 18 months, Tesla will have a similar car to market. Used Tesla's are very reasonable. And don't forget, the performance of even the most basic Model 3 is comparable to that of a 340 BMW (in-line 6) - no fooling.

How it is generated varies from one geographic area to another, but regardless, your carbon footprint is much, much smaller with an EV over the life of the car.

Battery life is much better than one would suppose. Tesla guarantees them for 8 years, but they have been using Tesla Model S's as taxi's in Europe (e.g., Amsterdam) since the mid-teens, and they are experiencing 800k KILOMETERS as expected useful life - about 500k miles. The thing is, HOW YOU CHARGE makes a big difference in how long the battery will last, and there is not enough history yet to state exactly what is best. Most knowledgeable people are saying, keep it between 10% and 60%. Don't charge it any more than that unless you have to (trips). For your purposes, they will last "forever." Abuse will shorten that. Charging it every night to 100% is the worst practice.

When you (or your heirs) replace the battery, the cost of a new one will include disposal of the old one. At the present time, this can run to five figures, but as the saying goes, "help is on the way." Right now, none of the OEM's is interested in FIXING depleted batteries, but these batteries are made up of hundreds of cells that don't wear out at the same time. Businesses are cropping up now that will test and replace individual cells, at a fraction of the cost of a new battery pack. They will only last 3-4 years, but it will still probably be the best way to go. If you buy an EV today, by the time that battery needs replacement, these shops will be as ubiquitous as Tire America's, so, "not to worry."

How much you pay to install a 220 line in your garage is up to your electrician. Less than a thousand bucks, if he is honest.

Most of the criticisms of EV's is based on either ignorance, or an insistence on using them in a way that makes no sense. If you do a lot of high-mileage highway trips, then an EV will be a pain in the ass. If you want to tow your boat or trailer on a cross-country trip, it makes no sense. In fact, highway driving at 75mph is the LEAST EFFICIENT use of an EV. They are most efficient and most "happy" in routine driving around town.

My wife has a Beemer 3-series that is now 7 years old. Because we also have an SUV, we have never taken the Beemer on an extended trip. There has not been one time in the seven years we have owned it that we would have had to use a public charger if it were an EV. I took her to drive a Model 3 and she loved it, but she can't get her head around the fact that the COULD BE A TIME when she is running low on charge and there is no nearby supercharger. So she is not a convert.

But she's wrong.

 

[Muhammed]

I didn't vote for him.

Who did you vote for?

 

[pknopp]

Who did you vote for?

Last time Jo Jorgensen.

 

[Redfish]

Tesla had a program where you could use their superchargers for free for a couple of years. Not now relevant.

As a rule of thumb, charging a modern EV (at least 220 miles of range) from 10% to 90% costs about five bucks if you do it at home, ten if you use a public charger. 90% of charging is done at home. That five bucks compares to $25-30 for an equivalent amount of gas at a gas station. The EPA provides Miles-per-Gallon-Equivalent for every EV sold in America, and it generally runs from 90 to 110. From a cost-to-operate standpoint it ABSOLUTELY makes sense to buy an EV. There is no radiator, no transmission or differential(s). For Tesla's, which offer one-pedal driving, your brakes will last "forever."

Cheap EV's are available. The Chevy Bolt EUV has over 200 miles of range, performs pretty well, and can easily be had for $28k. Within 18 months, Tesla will have a similar car to market. Used Tesla's are very reasonable. And don't forget, the performance of even the most basic Model 3 is comparable to that of a 340 BMW (in-line 6) - no fooling.

How it is generated varies from one geographic area to another, but regardless, your carbon footprint is much, much smaller with an EV over the life of the car.

Battery life is much better than one would suppose. Tesla guarantees them for 8 years, but they have been using Tesla Model S's as taxi's in Europe (e.g., Amsterdam) since the mid-teens, and they are experiencing 800k KILOMETERS as expected useful life - about 500k miles. The thing is, HOW YOU CHARGE makes a big difference in how long the battery will last, and there is not enough history yet to state exactly what is best. Most knowledgeable people are saying, keep it between 10% and 60%. Don't charge it any more than that unless you have to (trips). For your purposes, they will last "forever." Abuse will shorten that. Charging it every night to 100% is the worst practice.

When you (or your heirs) replace the battery, the cost of a new one will include disposal of the old one. At the present time, this can run to five figures, but as the saying goes, "help is on the way." Right now, none of the OEM's is interested in FIXING depleted batteries, but these batteries are made up of hundreds of cells that don't wear out at the same time. Businesses are cropping up now that will test and replace individual cells, at a fraction of the cost of a new battery pack. They will only last 3-4 years, but it will still probably be the best way to go. If you buy an EV today, by the time that battery needs replacement, these shops will be as ubiquitous as Tire America's, so, "not to worry."

How much you pay to install a 220 line in your garage is up to your electrician. Less than a thousand bucks, if he is honest.

Most of the criticisms of EV's is based on either ignorance, or an insistence on using them in a way that makes no sense. If you do a lot of high-mileage highway trips, then an EV will be a pain in the ass. If you want to tow your boat or trailer on a cross-country trip, it makes no sense. In fact, highway driving at 75mph is the LEAST EFFICIENT use of an EV. They are most efficient and most "happy" in routine driving around town.

My wife has a Beemer 3-series that is now 7 years old. Because we also have an SUV, we have never taken the Beemer on an extended trip. There has not been one time in the seven years we have owned it that we would have had to use a public charger if it were an EV. I took her to drive a Model 3 and she loved it, but she can't get her head around the fact that the COULD BE A TIME when she is running low on charge and there is no nearby supercharger. So she is not a convert.

But she's wrong.

how much does it cost to have a charging station installed in your garage? How much are replacement batteries and how do we dispose of the toxic worn out batteries?

 

[badger2]

Ebikes are extremely limited as to where you can use them though.

We don't believe this to be true. Bicycles are legal on all roads, for example, in Iowa. How is this different for ebikes? A Petroleum Pimp's nightmare would, by default, include (covered, not exposed to the environment [italics]) bicycles and ebikes.

Expressways are off-limits, though the places to study the truer pathology are the (U.S. interstate bike paths [it.]) that close @11PM. This is janus-faced, contradictory, pro-Petroleum Pimp American psychopathology at its most violent, anti-environment, fascist pole.

 

[badger2]

Tesla had a program where you could use their superchargers for free for a couple of years. Not now relevant.

As a rule of thumb, charging a modern EV (at least 220 miles of range) from 10% to 90% costs about five bucks if you do it at home, ten if you use a public charger. 90% of charging is done at home. That five bucks compares to $25-30 for an equivalent amount of gas at a gas station. The EPA provides Miles-per-Gallon-Equivalent for every EV sold in America, and it generally runs from 90 to 110. From a cost-to-operate standpoint it ABSOLUTELY makes sense to buy an EV. There is no radiator, no transmission or differential(s). For Tesla's, which offer one-pedal driving, your brakes will last "forever."

Cheap EV's are available. The Chevy Bolt EUV has over 200 miles of range, performs pretty well, and can easily be had for $28k. Within 18 months, Tesla will have a similar car to market. Used Tesla's are very reasonable. And don't forget, the performance of even the most basic Model 3 is comparable to that of a 340 BMW (in-line 6) - no fooling.

How it is generated varies from one geographic area to another, but regardless, your carbon footprint is much, much smaller with an EV over the life of the car.

Battery life is much better than one would suppose. Tesla guarantees them for 8 years, but they have been using Tesla Model S's as taxi's in Europe (e.g., Amsterdam) since the mid-teens, and they are experiencing 800k KILOMETERS as expected useful life - about 500k miles. The thing is, HOW YOU CHARGE makes a big difference in how long the battery will last, and there is not enough history yet to state exactly what is best. Most knowledgeable people are saying, keep it between 10% and 60%. Don't charge it any more than that unless you have to (trips). For your purposes, they will last "forever." Abuse will shorten that. Charging it every night to 100% is the worst practice.

When you (or your heirs) replace the battery, the cost of a new one will include disposal of the old one. At the present time, this can run to five figures, but as the saying goes, "help is on the way." Right now, none of the OEM's is interested in FIXING depleted batteries, but these batteries are made up of hundreds of cells that don't wear out at the same time. Businesses are cropping up now that will test and replace individual cells, at a fraction of the cost of a new battery pack. They will only last 3-4 years, but it will still probably be the best way to go. If you buy an EV today, by the time that battery needs replacement, these shops will be as ubiquitous as Tire America's, so, "not to worry."

How much you pay to install a 220 line in your garage is up to your electrician. Less than a thousand bucks, if he is honest.

Most of the criticisms of EV's is based on either ignorance, or an insistence on using them in a way that makes no sense. If you do a lot of high-mileage highway trips, then an EV will be a pain in the ass. If you want to tow your boat or trailer on a cross-country trip, it makes no sense. In fact, highway driving at 75mph is the LEAST EFFICIENT use of an EV. They are most efficient and most "happy" in routine driving around town.

My wife has a Beemer 3-series that is now 7 years old. Because we also have an SUV, we have never taken the Beemer on an extended trip. There has not been one time in the seven years we have owned it that we would have had to use a public charger if it were an EV. I took her to drive a Model 3 and she loved it, but she can't get her head around the fact that the COULD BE A TIME when she is running low on charge and there is no nearby supercharger. So she is not a convert.

But she's wrong.

As you say yourself "they're working on it." Months ago we pointed to a fundamental pathology of the low-IQ automatons designing ev systems: no modular, universalized battery. Until these inferior minds are properly chastised and punished for dogmatic arrogance and sloth, vending machines that cater to elderly ladies who can only lift one battery module at a time at the vending machine, will remain a pipe dream.

The Aspera has already tried to counter this pathological tendency, multiple differences between each make of ev, by installing solar as part of the bodywork.

 

[badger2]

After the Chinese performed pedophilia on African children, getting them to extract lithium, they then waltz over to America to build battery plants, instantly provoking competition (Chinese communists know something about competition) between three states: Michigan, Ohio, and Texas.

Therefore, the spent lithium in no ev should be given back to the Chinese communists for any reason whatsoever. Recycling for American vehicles should happen only in America, and by default, Chinese communist investors can be more effectively boycotted when American- not Chinese-based, plants are chosen over the Chinese plants. America is finished if it can't build its own recycling plant to compete with communist-based plants. Musk has supposedly been working on this.

 

[Blues Man]

We don't believe this to be true. Bicycles are legal on all roads, for example, in Iowa. How is this different for ebikes? A Petroleum Pimp's nightmare would, by default, include (covered, not exposed to the environment [italics]) bicycles and ebikes.

Expressways are off-limits, though the places to study the truer pathology are the (U.S. interstate bike paths [it.]) that close @11PM. This is janus-faced, contradictory, pro-Petroleum Pimp American psychopathology at its most violent, anti-environment, fascist pole.

Yeah ride one 40 miles back and forth to work in the middle of the snow storm or carrying a bunch of stuff you need and get back to me.

Ebikes are very limited in their utility

 

[dudmuck]

After the Chinese performed pedophilia on African children, getting them to extract lithium, they then waltz over to America to build battery plants, instantly provoking competition (Chinese communists know something about competition) between three states: Michigan, Ohio, and Texas.

Therefore, the spent lithium in no ev should be given back to the Chinese communists for any reason whatsoever. Recycling for American vehicles should happen only in America, and by default, Chinese communist investors can be more effectively boycotted when American- not Chinese-based, plants are chosen over the Chinese plants. America is finished if it can't build its own recycling plant to compete with communist-based plants. Musk has supposedly been working on this.

 

[badger2]

Yeah ride one 40 miles back and forth to work in the middle of the snow storm or carrying a bunch of stuff you need and get back to me.

Ebikes are very limited in their utility

You are the type that will see the cup half-empty rather than half full. In fact, Badger's etrike is designed for old people to be able to ride in a winter blizzard, safe from overturning (like a petroleum-addiction cockroach) and protected from the weather (like a petroleum-addiction cockroach).

Your habitual self-suppression is reinforced when your sloth dictates (in your head, anyway) that there will never be an interstate bike path open 24/7.

 

[badger2]

While the Chinese battery technology buys up American real estate post-COVID, other competitions were going down in America. But only to move the dead batteries around:

Solstice, 21 Jun 2022

DOE Announces Battery Recycling Prize Phase III Winners

DOE announces the four winners of Phase III of the Lithium-Ion Battery Recycling Prize.

energy.gov

'....A multiple competition that incentivized American entrepreneurs to develop and demonstrate processes that, when scaled, have the potential to profitably capture 90% of all discarded or spent lithium-based batteries in the U.S. for eventual recovery and reintroduction.'

 

[badger2]

"Precious are the Cathodes, Grasshopper."

Battery recycling - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

'....Recycling of lithium batteries does not extract lithium since lithium-ion battery technology continuously changes and processes to recycle can be outdated in a couple of years.....Extraction of lithium from old batteries is five times more expensive than mined lithium. However, some companies conduct Li extraction on a small scale.
....
As of 2022, several facilities are operating and under construction, including Frederikstad, Norway....
....1 Feb 2022 Recycled Lithium-Ion Batteries Can Perform Better Than New Ones

Recycled Lithium-Ion Batteries Can Perform Better Than New Ones

A novel method of recycling such batteries could help meet skyrocketing demand

scientificamerican.com

'....DOE estimates a 10-fold growth over the next decade....DOE funded the research as part of its massive effort to spur large-scale battery recycling innovation in the U.S.

More Pores, Faster Charge
....as good as -- or even better than - the commercial material that we've been importing.'

So the stage is set for Chinese deceptions that sell recycled lithium as new lithium, or vice versa. That is why boycott and recycling politics should evolve in transparency as the technology evolves, ironically enough, using communist concepts such as for the battery itself: universalization of design to adapt to the principles of vending.