Let's talk about the rights enumerated in the 5th and 8th amendments.

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Our constitution recognizes the right to face charges against you regardless of what you are accused of

Ted Bundy got a fair trial

Well it did until the U.S. Patriot Act came along. Now our government can issue super secret National Security Letters and threaten everyone with all manner of unpleasantness for tipping off the subject of their "inquiry".

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Slaves were not protected under the Fifth Amendment. The Fifth Amendment protects individuals from being deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, but slaves were legally considered property, not persons, so the amendment did not protect them from being taken or sold without compensation.

... taken or sold without compensation to their owners.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

So, I'm curious about whom the cotus applies to? You're right, it doesn't specificly say "citizens" but wouldn't it be implied? The 2A also doesn't mention citizens, does this mean illegals are allowed to own guns?

I always thought that because the Preamble to the Constitution begins with "We the People of the United States... that it was a given that the U.S. Constitution and its amendments were for "the People of the United States".

Or at least that it was intended this way...

 

[fncceo]

The Fifth Amendment provides that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

Arrest and a subsequent immigration hearing (which can be ex parte) constitutes due process.

There is not, nor has there ever been, right to counsel in immigration hearings as they do not result in criminal sanctions, merely denial of an immigration visa.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I always thought that because the Preamble to the Constitution begins with "We the People of the United States... that it was a given that the U.S. Constitution and its amendments were for "the People of the United States".

Or at least that it was intended this way...

good point, and it also says "Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,"

One could say the cotus and its contents apply to citizens. Not that all people dont deserve human rights, but this cotus was written for the people of the US

 

[rightwinger]

I always thought that because the Preamble to the Constitution begins with "We the People of the United States... that it was a given that the U.S. Constitution and its amendments were for "the People of the United States".

Or at least that it was intended this way...

No, We the People established a more perfect union

That Union provided protections of free speech, right to assembly, right to a trial, right to know the charges against you

Whether you were a citizen or not

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

No, We the People established a more perfect union

That Union provided protections of free speech, right to assembly, right to a trial, right to know the charges against you

Whether you were a citizen or not

But Black people were not "We the people" and they were definitely in the United States, just as an example.

 

[rightwinger]

But Black people were not "We the people" and they were definitely in the United States, just as an example.

That is why we had amendments

 

[westwall]

Wrong.
Undocumented have less than half the crime rate of citizens.

The whole point of a republic is that all people have identical individual rights inherently, and they are not granted by government or citizenship.

Bullshit. EVERY ILLEGAL ALIEN HAS COMMITTED A CRIME HOPPING THE BORDER YOU LYING TWIT.

 

[PeterPilot]

Calling out someone's religion is repulsive.

Forcing one's religion on others is even more repulsive. The essential quality of religion is faith, and faith is believing things that cannot be proved. Faith is the opposite of reason and critical thinking.

That said, I strongly support the letter and spirit of the First Amendment. If a person wants to embrace any particular "faith", that is his right.

To abstain from such superstition and nonsense is my right.

By "calling out" do you mean criticism? Should I hold my breath?