Due Process is required before the Loss of Life, Liberty or Property

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

A four year US citizen with stage four cancer.

Can get treated with the mother where she was deported.

Another epic failure by the Sink Worrier.

 

[Seymour Flops]

How do you know they are illegal without a hearing? This is the one time you believe the government?

You ask them to produce their papers, give them a reasonable chance to do so, and if the cannot, it's back to their country they go.

Even if you had a hearing, that won't absolutely PROVE that they are illegal, right? Wouldn't you then insist on a full jury trial. Even if you had one, jury verdicts are often overturned on appeal, so you have to give them time to appeal, all the way to the Supreme Court, right?

Times several million that Biden let in, is the plan?

By that logic, no one can ever be deported, which is the goal of the Democrats. It's not due process, it's infinity process.

Suppose you never give them any hearing, but in fact they are illegal, and you deport them. Do they lose life, liberty, or property?

 

[Winco]

Find the post in which I said I was okay with that.

Or just keep lying, your choice.

Oh, so you do or don't support the J6 intruders?
Oh, so you do or don't support trump pardoning those that were convicted of beating CP?

 

[Winco]

Can get treated with the mother where she was deported.

Another epic failure by the Sink Worrier.

What is a Sink Worrier?

 

[Seymour Flops]

A four year US citizen with stage four cancer.

Do you truly believe that they do not treat children with cancer in Honduras? Have you verified that?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Which of those does an illegal lose by being deported?

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt5-5-1/ALDE_00013721/

Liberty although if they are here without the government's permission I don't believe they are "at liberty" to wander the U.S. as they wish.

If a due process hearing determines that a person is here unlawfully then that's basically where it ends because they have had their day in court and the court determines that they cannot stay if they are being deported.

If they just deport without the hearing then you end up with exactly what we have - someone who shouldn't have been deported, being deported and now they're unable to remedy the situation.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Which of those does an illegal lose by being deported?

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt5-5-1/ALDE_00013721/

So let me understand how this works...the left breaks our laws to flood the country with illegals...but then demands that we follow the law when we send them back to whence they came?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Liberty although if they are here without the government's permission I don't believe they are "at liberty" to wander the U.S. as they wish.

Right. I would argue exactly that. The liberty the are exercising is stolen, not theirs to lose. If I push a trespassers out of my house, or a policeman takes him out, he doesn't lose "liberty" to be there.

If a due process hearing determines that a person is here unlawfully then that's basically where it ends because they have had their day in court and the court determines that they cannot stay if they are being deported.

Under the Clinton era law on Expedited Removal due process does notvrequire a formal hearing, but a determination by an immigration officer.

If they just deport without the hearing then you end up with exactly what we have - someone who shouldn't have been deported, being deported and now they're unable to remedy the situation.

He wasn't supposed to be deported to one specific country. He had an order of removal.

The remedy would be to transfer him to a country willing to accept him. I'm sure a person of his skills are in high demand somewhere.

 

[Zincwarrior]

You ask them to produce their papers, give them a reasonable chance to do so, and if the cannot, it's back to their country they go.

Without a hearing that means you are depending on the good graces of the gendarmes.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Without a hearing that means you are depending on the good graces of the gendarmes.

Which the law calls for.

As we are seeing, the good graces of judges is no more reliable, nor wise.

 

[Rigby5]

Which of those does an illegal lose by being deported?

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt5-5-1/ALDE_00013721/

All of the above.
Deportation takes away his means of income, ability to support his family, ability to earn a living, to buy food, it puts him in chains, it moves him to where he does not want to be, and costs a large sum for him to get back what had been taken illegally.

 

[Rigby5]

Which the law calls for.

As we are seeing, the good graces of judges is no more reliable, nor wise.

Wrong.
The laws specifically created the judiciary to act as the safety net against police abuses which are so common as to be legendary.
Whether or not you trust the judiciary is irrelevant.
They are still required by law.

 

[Rigby5]

Check his birth certificate or run his ID. That doesn't take a lawyer/judge to do it.

Wrong.
The police make mistakes all the time.
There are people with the exact same name for example.
The judge is better than the police at being able to judge.
That is how they became to be picked as a judge.

 

[Rigby5]

I'm sure of it!

Which is why I don't enter other countries illegally.

Nor, other people's house, or other people's daughters for that matter.

I sure wouldn't cry to the Democrats if I got caught doing either.

You should be able to enter a country that used to belong to your ancestors until invaders came and took it.
And all those south of the border came from ancestors who lived in and were native to the USA at one time.
They had to have, since they walked from Siberia.

 

[Rigby5]

What many fail to recognize is that "due process" does not refer to a specific set of procedural requirements, but rather to a process that is appropriate for the circumstances.

For someone who can easily be identified as a person illegally in the country, "due process" might be a two-minute interview.

WRONG!
Due process always means a judicial review.
It means the impartial third party who is appointed or voted in due to his ability to be impartial.
There is no way an interview of any length can replace due process.
There are many native Americans who do not speak English.
There are many US citizens who do not speak English.

 

[Rigby5]

I specified an illegal alien.


Yes, but he's getting the right people.

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Obama and Biden raided job sites, for their millions.

I guess that's why they believed that illegals only come to take jobs that Americans won't do for such low wages.

There is no way to be sure anyone is an "illegal alien".
It is very hard to do because everyone south of the border is mostly native, and could easily be a US native.

 

[Rigby5]

Why would ICE deport American citizens? Are you normally this stupid? American citizens have Constitutional rights to due process. Illegals do not.

Wrong.
All people have the exact same due process rights.

 

[Soupnazi630]

There is no way to be sure anyone is an "illegal alien".
It is very hard to do because everyone south of the border is mostly native, and could easily be a US native.

Nope most of them are mostly immgrant and being native does not make them a US native you dumbfuck liar

 

[Seymour Flops]

There is no way to be sure anyone is an "illegal alien".
It is very hard to do because everyone south of the border is mostly native, and could easily be a US native.

Nope most of them are mostly immgrant and being native does not make them a US native you dumbfuck liar

Thank you.

These guys have turned into unintentional self satire.

 

[Seymour Flops]

WRONG!
Due process always means a judicial review.

No, it means the process that is due in a given situation.