Let's talk about the rights enumerated in the 5th and 8th amendments.

[SeaMajor7]

A false dichotomy is a logical fallacy that occurs when an argument presents only two options as if they are the only possibilities, when in reality there are more options available.

 

[Correll]

Our constitution recognizes the right to face charges against you regardless of what you are accused of

Ted Bundy got a fair trial

The 1/6 rioters didn't.

 

[martybegan]

The Fifth Amendment provides that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.1 Generally, due process guarantees protect individual rights by limiting the exercise of government power.2 The Supreme Court has held that the Fifth Amendment, which applies to federal government action, provides persons with both procedural and substantive due process guarantees. If the federal government seeks to deprive a person of a protected life, liberty, or property interest, the Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause requires that the government first provide certain procedural protections.3 Procedural due process often requires the government to provide a person with notice and an opportunity for a hearing before such a deprivation.4
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt5-5-1/ALDE_00013721/

The reason folks like me keep referring to Abrego Garcia's due process rights under the Constitution is because the 5th A makes no mention of a citizenship requirement for its application. Therefore, because he was not afforded 'procedural due process," his rights were violated.

Moving on, the 8th A is very straightforward.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-8/

Why mention it?

‘Obviously illegal’: Experts pan Trump’s plan to deport ‘homegrown criminals’
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...onable-proposal-deport-us-citizens-rcna201183

I think even trump fans would agree what we know about the conditions in El Salvador's CECOT prison constitutes punishment that is cruel and unusual by US standards. It was reported yesterday that trump has assigned Pam Bondi to the task of looking at ways to legally justify deporting US citizens, presumably convicted of crimes, to a CECOT prison.

A reasonable interpretation of which can be construed as her instructions being to look for ways to get around the clear language of the 8th A. Said another way, the AG of the United States is now willingly seeking a justification for violating the Constitution. Something she said under oath she would not do. The truly astonishing aspect of all of this being in the context of a trump presidency it's not astonishing in the least.

Meanwhile dems shit on due process when it comes to Red Flag laws.

 

[Rawley]

Our constitution recognizes the right to face charges against you regardless of what you are accused of

And yet Obama and Biden deported hundreds of thousands of illegals without hearings or seeing a judge. Go Figure.

 

[berg80]

The 1/6 rioters didn't.

You are conflating their guilt with the fairness of the trials they received.

 

[Correll]

You are conflating their guilt with the fairness of the trials they received.

no, I am pointing out that they did not recieve fair trials or due process.

 

[berg80]

When you supported letting in tens of millions of illegals, you set up this to be a messy crisis.

When you base your beliefs on demonstrably false propaganda they fall victim to lies and distortions of the truth.

 

[Dragonlady]

I love that Dems are still siding with RAPING, MURDERING illegals. Keep going Dems until your party is 20% of the vote.

Are you really as stupid as you post????

You elected a rapist as President, you moron. You're putting drunks, rapists, and con artists, and their entire criminal network into the White House. And they're destroying the country.

You're worried about immigrants when you're electing the WORST CRIMINALS to high office.

 

[berg80]

no, I am pointing out that they did not recieve fair trials or due process.

You're doing nothing but repeating an erroneous talking point.

In trumpworld findings of guilt translate to not being treated fairly. It's the essence of the trumpian narrative.

 

[Dragonlady]

When you supported letting in tens of millions of illegals, you set up this to be a messy crisis.

When you come here and lie about American politics day in and day out, I wonder where it is you're living. You came here with the first wave of Russians promoting Trump in 2015.

You have little to no credibility whatsoever.

 

[Correll]

When you base your beliefs on demonstrably false propaganda they fall victim to lies and distortions of the truth.

See we both made assertions.

The difference is that mine is clearly true, while yours is just shit talk.


So... yeah.

 

[jknowgood]

The Fifth Amendment provides that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.1 Generally, due process guarantees protect individual rights by limiting the exercise of government power.2 The Supreme Court has held that the Fifth Amendment, which applies to federal government action, provides persons with both procedural and substantive due process guarantees. If the federal government seeks to deprive a person of a protected life, liberty, or property interest, the Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause requires that the government first provide certain procedural protections.3 Procedural due process often requires the government to provide a person with notice and an opportunity for a hearing before such a deprivation.4
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt5-5-1/ALDE_00013721/

The reason folks like me keep referring to Abrego Garcia's due process rights under the Constitution is because the 5th A makes no mention of a citizenship requirement for its application. Therefore, because he was not afforded 'procedural due process," his rights were violated.

Moving on, the 8th A is very straightforward.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-8/

Why mention it?

‘Obviously illegal’: Experts pan Trump’s plan to deport ‘homegrown criminals’
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...onable-proposal-deport-us-citizens-rcna201183

I think even trump fans would agree what we know about the conditions in El Salvador's CECOT prison constitutes punishment that is cruel and unusual by US standards. It was reported yesterday that trump has assigned Pam Bondi to the task of looking at ways to legally justify deporting US citizens, presumably convicted of crimes, to a CECOT prison.

A reasonable interpretation of which can be construed as her instructions being to look for ways to get around the clear language of the 8th A. Said another way, the AG of the United States is now willingly seeking a justification for violating the Constitution. Something she said under oath she would not do. The truly astonishing aspect of all of this being in the context of a trump presidency it's not astonishing in the least.

 

[jknowgood]

You are conflating their guilt with the fairness of the trials they received.

Most didn't get trials.

 

[Correll]

You're doing nothing but repeating an erroneous talking point.

In trumpworld findings of guilt translate to not being treated fairly. It's the essence of the trumpian narrative.

Most of the proceding were hidden. But we saw enough to see that the 1/6 rioters were massively targetted as opposed to how the other rioters of that era were, thus a violation of due process, and there was the lack of speedy trial, which the feds ADMITTED they failed on. THere was also the failure to release the full video of the event, till AFTER many were sentenced.

That we KNOW of. Those alone is enough to justify the pardons. And the shame that will eventually be put on the Biden Administration and all us supported it.

We have also heard some unconfirmed, but highly plausible reports of just completely biased court procedings. AND very plausible hints of entrapment and encitement.

 

[Correll]

When you come here and lie about American politics day in and day out, I wonder where it is you're living. You came here with the first wave of Russians promoting Trump in 2015.

You have little to no credibility whatsoever.

It is possible that you really are so... full of your own lies, that you cannot tell my clear sincerity.

BUT, no, you are just shit talking.


DISMISSED.

 

[Correll]

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Because they are bat shit crazy and full of hate towards their fellow Americans.

 

[rightwinger]

And yet Obama and Biden deported hundreds of thousands of illegals without hearings or seeing a judge. Go Figure.

Depended on status
Those seeking asylum are granted a hearing.
Those unable to prove status are deported

Trump is sending people to a Hellhole prison who have legal status in this country.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Trump is ignoring the Constitution and daring anyone to do anything about it

Is that good or bad?

 

[rightwinger]

Is that good or bad?

Typical Republican willing to ignore the Constitution as long as it supports their agenda

 

[Muhammed]

When you come here and lie about American politics day in and day out, I wonder where it is you're living. You came here with the first wave of Russians promoting Trump in 2015.

You have little to no credibility whatsoever.

Hey retard, do you have any proof or evidence that he is Russian?

If not, then you are simply lying again.

Why do you base all of your political opinions on the stupid lies you tell yourself?

Is it because the entirety of leftodum in this forum does it too?