Let's Eliminate Government-Mandated Handicapped Parking Spots.

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

All you have are insults, old man.

So explain how SSI has anything to do with people being overweight and parking in handicapped spots!

You intentionally derail your own stupid thread with your tendency to bullshit your way through when you post lies!

 

[Mashmont]

So explain how SSI has anything to do with people being overweight and parking in handicapped spots!

You intentionally derail your own stupid thread with your tendency to bullshit your way through when you post lies!

For the third time, I said this ADA law was an example of the left forming a victim group. I then noted that the SSI is an example of another victim group formed by the government. Both are heavily abused. Do you understand now?

 

[Foxfyre]

All you say in every post is "People should try to be compassionate". And your definition of compassion is to have government dictating everything. I'm saying people are compassionate on their own. No need for government. But compassion also involves protecting those who need help by not allowing others to take their spaces. That's why I am calling for placards to come from doctors only, and designating a specific malady for someone's infirmity. I'm sorry if you don't listen or can't comprehend, but I've made my point very clearly, and I've repeated it at least five times. Others seem to understand. Perhaps it is time for you to take a break.

I'm sorry you can't read what I've posted and won't honestly characterize what I have argued. But since you're telling me to leave your thread fine.

Have a pleasant night.

 

[Mashmont]

I'm sorry you can't read what I've posted and won't honestly characterize what I have argued. But since you're telling me to leave your thread fine.

Have a pleasant night.

There’s just no point in continuing, that’s all

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Interesting. I think Mashmont makes a good argument, despite being an asshole.

That's because you are an asshole too!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

For the third time, I said this ADA law was an example of the left forming a victim group. I then noted that the SSI is an example of another victim group formed by the government. Both are heavily abused. Do you understand now?

How is SSI a victim group? You don't have a clue what you are spouting nonsense about!

 

[Foxfyre]

The government doesn’t enhance any life. They get too involved and regulated and then charge you for it.

I can build a handicap ramp in a day with about 200 bucks. But with the government involved I need an engineer, plan approval, inspections, and a final approval for a ******* ramp that now cost me six grand.

The best option would have been if I need a ramp for my customer base I could just build one.

But would you have bothered if it wasn't the law? In truth, most merchants wouldn't. Nor would you put in handicapped parking spaces because without enforcement of the law, there would be no point.

 

[rightwinger]

The 1950s was better for the family structure, regardless of the race. 1950s was great for women, because they were respected, revered, and surrounded by a husband and family. Today, there are so many poor single mothers with no help. LIke that black woman who worked at Burger King story.

1950s family structure meant 6+ kids
Few good paying job opportunities for women
Segregated society

 

[Mashmont]

1950s family structure meant 6+ kids
Few good paying job opportunities for women
Segregated society

Women were raising their kids. That was their job. They were happy to do it.

 

[Mashmont]

How is SSI a victim group? You don't have a clue what you are spouting nonsense about!

I could take the time to explain what SSI is, and how it has enabled a new class of disability ‘victims’ to come forward, but it would it would be pointless with you.

You’re in the category of Lesh, Synthaholic, and Dr. Phosphorus. You don’t even try to converse. You only insult. It’s pointless to even address you. I have no idea why you, supposedly a former educator with kids and grandkids would waste your remaining days like this.

 

[Zincwarrior]

It's also evidence that the laws forcing them to do these kinds of things aren't necessary

Except of course, before the ADA businesses didn't have handicapped spaces and ramps as a rule.

 

[dblack]

Except of course, before the ADA businesses didn't have handicapped spaces and ramps as a rule.

Yep, ADA forced them to do those specific things. The point is, generally, we don't need government to force businesses to do nice things for people - that's their goal, they'll do that kind of thing anyway. It's in their interests.

And more broadly, that's just not the purpose of government. I know lots of people want the government to function that way. They want the state to decide what everyone deserves and makes sure they get it. But what they don't understand is that kind of government is antithetical to liberty and equal rights.

This is the equity vs equal rights argument in a different guise.

 

[rightwinger]

And more broadly, that's just not the purpose of government. I know lots of people want the government to function that way, they want the state to decide what everyone deserves and makes sure they get it. But what they don't understand is that kind of government is antithetical to equal rights.

That is specifically the purpose of Government

Capitalism on its own will not invest in ADA infrastructure, they will not protect the environment, they will not maintain a safe workplace, they will not look out for their employees

It does not help their bottom line

 

[Papageorgio]

Acts demanded by government are not compassionate. Compassion can only be voluntary. And that's what I'm calling for.

I don’t need the businesses to be compassionate.

 

[dblack]

That is specifically the purpose of Government.

I know that's what you want it to be. Most Dems do. I'm trying to point out why it's a mistake.

 

[rightwinger]

I know that's what you want it to be. Most Dems do. I'm trying to point out why it's a mistake.

Capitalism does not work without Government oversight

 

[Papageorgio]

Who are you to decide what our values are? What are you doing to get closer to God?

I am commenting on one persons values, not yours, unless you are also Mashmont. I am also not claiming to be a Christian every time someone turns around, nor am I using my being or not being a Christian to claim I am right or not right.

 

[dblack]

I don’t need the businesses to be compassionate.

And I don't want government forcing them to be "compassionate".

People don't get that equity and equal rights are diametrically opposed. Equal rights requires the government to treat everyone equally. Equity requires government to treat everyone unequally, in the attempt to ensure that we all treat one another equally. It inverts the way our government functions and pushes us to an ever more intrusive state.

 

[Mashmont]

That is specifically the purpose of Government

Capitalism on its own will not invest in ADA infrastructure, they will not protect the environment, they will not maintain a safe workplace, they will not look out for their employees

It does not help their bottom line

Who says government has to be the one to set standards? As an example, the BBB has nothing to do with government, but it sets standards for business behavior.

The problem with government standards is the political element. We've seen that with the ridiculous carbon emissions standards. Then there is the power and control and money element that private agencies don't have.

Smart and successful capitalists take care of their customers. Ethics and morality always pay off. Great capitalists WILL voluntarily do things that are not immediately apparent or visible, but help the customer, even if it temporarily subtracts from the bottom line.

 

[Mashmont]

I am commenting on one persons values, not yours, unless you are also Mashmont. I am also not claiming to be a Christian every time someone turns around, nor am I using my being or not being a Christian to claim I am right or not right.

Christian behavior is always right, always scientific, always the best, even if that's not apparent at first. Irreligious folks don't see that because they can't see beyond two feet in front of their faces.