Let's Eliminate Government-Mandated Handicapped Parking Spots.

[Missouri_Mike]

You wouldn't say that if you were black, a woman, or not rich enough to get a good education.

Blacks were doing better then, until the great society fucked them over.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Alot less women were at that time because of the immoral societal pressure to marry young and have kids, wash rinse repeat. Theres less of an emphasis for women to do that now so they are more free to pursue their own lives, not what any society tells them to. Id call that a major gain in freedom.

What are these husbandless, childless women gaining?

 

[Mashmont]

Nobody wants to be fat for that matter. But it happens, usually through no intentional fault of the person it happens to.

If somebody weighs 400 pounds, it's their fault.

 

[dblack]

Of course most of the debate here is over who deserves special benes and who doesn't. But our government isn't designed to hand out perks. A government assigned to divvy up the goodies is incompatible with democracy. This is somewhat ironic, because most of the people advocating for government distribution of wealth and privilege, also see themselves as advocates of democracy.

 

[Mashmont]

Oh come on. Follow that logic to its natural conclusion and it’s a “loss of liberty” to have speed limits. Or to require businesses to have fire exits.

Having to walk a little further in parking lots if you’re able bodied is no great hardship.

Very nice of you to volunteer businesses' money to renovate their restrooms and counters, redo their parking lots.

 

[Foxfyre]

I'll ask again. what government authority is making big boxes provide motorized scooters and wheelchairs? What government agency forced or even introduced the practice of home delivery of groceries? Let creative people create.

Because government is poor at administering everything.

Without a law that there must be a handicap space for so many regular parking places--I think it is one handicap space for every 25 regular parking spots, most businesses wouldn't put in the handicapped spots at all. Most especially without enforcement, it would be a waste of time and money to do so.

Without enforcement of a law that says only those legally designated to be handicapped can park in those handicap spaces and that enforcement involves a pretty stiff fine for those who break that law, there would be nothing to stop anybody from parking in them and I guarantee you that a lot of non handicapped people would do just that.

I'm sorry that the honor system in obeying rules with no penalty or consequences for breaking the law/rules has never been known to work effectively anywhere.

I'm sorry that government made up of imperfect people cannot be perfect but it's all we've got to make and enforce the law equitably for everybody.

The government does a lot of things it doesn't have to do. Some of those things it shouldn't do. But things like creating open spaces and parks and recreational areas, beautifying the environment, etc. increase the quality of life for most. Few of us have a problem with that even when we're grumbling that government spends too much.

The government does not have to require sprinkler systems, emergency exits, emergency lighting in large public or commercial buildings, but countless lives have been saved because it does. Who would think these are bad regulations?

For sure government doesn't have to get involved in handicap parking spaces and other accommodations for those unfortunate to be disabled. But I think the compassionate among us are happy that it does. I know the disabled are profoundly grateful that it does.

 

[dblack]

... But I think the compassionate among us are happy that it does. I know the disabled are profoundly grateful that it does.

Mostly I agree. But I think it's fair, and prudent, to call out the core conceit of these kinds of laws. A government empowered to give special perks to specific identity groups is destined to fail.

 

[Foxfyre]

If somebody weighs 400 pounds, it's their fault.

You do not know what you are talking about. You keep ignoring the several examples of medical conditions that can result in that and are not the patient's fault. Unless you count them choosing not to get gastric bypass surgery or other draconian remedies as something they are morally required to do to lose weight.

 

[Mashmont]

Without a law that there must be a handicap space for so many regular parking places--I think it is one handicap space for every 25 regular parking spots, most businesses wouldn't put in the handicapped spots at all. Most especially without enforcement, it would be a waste of time and money to do so.

Without enforcement of a law that says only those legally designated to be handicapped can park in those handicap spaces and that enforcement involves a pretty stiff fine for those who break that law, there would be nothing to stop anybody from parking in them and I guarantee you that a lot of non handicapped people would do just that.

I'm sorry that the honor system in obeying rules with no penalty or consequences for breaking the law/rules has never been known to work effectively anywhere.

I'm sorry that government made up of imperfect people cannot be perfect but it's all we've got to make and enforce the law equitably for everybody.

The government does a lot of things it doesn't have to do. Some of those things it shouldn't do. But things like creating open spaces and parks and recreational areas, beautifying the environment, etc. increase the quality of life for most. Few of us have a problem with that even when we're grumbling that government spends too much.

The government does not have to require sprinkler systems, emergency exits, emergency lighting in large public or commercial buildings, but countless lives have been saved because it does. Who would think these are bad regulations?

For sure government doesn't have to get involved in handicap parking spaces and other accommodations for those unfortunate to be disabled. But I think the compassionate among us are happy that it does. I know the disabled are profoundly grateful that it does.

You say the same stuff over and over. It's like you don't even read responses.

For the fifth time, what government agency forced big boxes to buy motorized carts and wheelchairs for their customers? What government agency forced or even initiated home delivery of groceries so that the disabled never have to leave their homes? Nobody does customer care better than businesses. It's their livelihood.

 

[Foxfyre]

Mostly I agree. But I think it's fair, and prudent, to call out the core conceit of these kinds of laws. A government empowered to give special perks to specific identity groups is destined to fail.

So the ADA has been working effectively and beneficially for 35 years now. When do you think this failure will begin?

 

[Mashmont]

You do not know what you are talking about. You keep ignoring the several examples of medical conditions that can result in that and are not the patient's fault. Unless you count them choosing not to get gastric bypass surgery or other draconian remedies as something they are morally required to do to lose weight.

OK, fine. If someone has a defined condition causing morbid obesity, let the physician report that. Most if any 400 pounders don't have one.

 

[dblack]

So the ADA has been working effectively and beneficially for 35 years now. When do you think this failure will begin?

DEI

 

[Foxfyre]

You say the same stuff over and over. It's like you don't even read responses.

For the fifth time, what government agency forced big boxes to buy motorized carts and wheelchairs for their customers? What government agency forced or even initiated home delivery of groceries so that the disabled never have to leave their homes? Nobody does customer care better than businesses. It's their livelihood.

No government agency requires motorized carts and wheelchairs to be provided to the customers. That is strictly the choice of the business owners. But they have found that accommodating people and being compassionate is good business and pretty much everybody--you might be the exception?--appreciates that they do that. That is a good thing.

 

[Foxfyre]

DEI

You have to be kidding. I never thought I'd be giving my most non sequitur post of the day to you, but you just took the lead.

 

[dblack]

No government agency requires motorized carts and wheelchairs to be provided to the customers. That is strictly the choice of the business owners. But they have found that accommodating people and being compassionate is good business and pretty much everybody appreciates that they do that. That is a good thing.

It's also evidence that the laws forcing them to do these kinds of things aren't necessary

 

[Foxfyre]

OK, fine. If someone has a defined condition causing morbid obesity, let the physician report that. Most if any 400 pounders don't have one.

You don't know. You have no way of knowing why anyone is morbidly obese. But the fact that a fat person uses a handicapped space is certainly not any kind of reasonable argument for the ADA to be abolished.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The 1950s was better for the family structure, regardless of the race. 1950s was great for women, because they were respected, revered, and surrounded by a husband and family. Today, there are so many poor single mothers with no help. LIke that black woman who worked at Burger King story.

Totally clueless. Get an education before you say something else stupid.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Nobody said they did.

You did. I highlighted in your post, dumbass!

 

[Papageorgio]

I just answered the question.

I know you want to chuck the whole system, what you said, I am okay that is what you want to do, it won’t happen but good luck.

 

[Unkotare]

The conclusion to this thread: Mushmouth is just an asshole.