Let's Drop the Partisan Knee-Jerk Reactions and Look at the Ukraine Negotiations Realistically and Fairly

rightwinger said:
Trumps claim that he would resolve the war in 24 hrs was about right

When neither side would agree, he lost interest

He is willing to just give Putin what he wants, peace is too much work
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trump is like an elderly child. As long as everything is easy, he is fine. But when his pie in the sky ideas meet resistance, he heads for the exit.

"I am taking my ball and go home."
 
Robert W said:
That is in part why I said there was much more than what he said that got the missiles out of Cuba. The important thing was Cuba was free of missiles.
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NO

The important part is that the GD CIA believes that it has the authority to dictate to our duly elected Presidents .

I did not vote for Obama -

but I do wonder how the **** did the CIA convince anti-war Obama to

arm and finance Al Nusrah, AlQaeda and ISIS and get them to fight the Syrian Army in order to try to depose Bashar al-Assad and then claim it was a "Syrian Civil War"
 
JimH52 said:
trump is like an elderly child. As long as everything is easy, he is fine. But when his pie in the sky ideas meet resistance, he heads for the exit.
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His goal was to end the CIA Ukranian Proxy War on day one

He can not believe that even though he is the President that GD Lindsey Graham , Marco Rubio and 22 brain dead Senators can frustrate his policies and are probably behind the scenes. threatening to blow his brains out a la JFK

UN ******* BELIEVABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
John Edgar Slow Horses said:
Putin will die, and Russia will evacuate the four eastern oblasts.
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Contumacious said:

Tucker Carlson Shows Grocery Shopping in Russia after Joe Biden imposed "devastating" sanctions​


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I saw that episode. Funny thing, decades ago when we were talking with Russia, on one of their visits an entourage just haphazardly stopped at a grocery store here and the Soviet leader couldn't believe what he saw and thought it was all staged. Now theirs look quite similar.
 
Delldude said:
I saw that episode. Funny thing, decades ago when we were talking with Russia, on one of their visits an entourage just haphazardly stopped at a grocery store here and the Soviet leader couldn't believe what he saw and thought it was all staged. Now theirs look quite similar.
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Here we have another AMerican - Russell - starving to death in Russia because of the excruciating CIA 's sanctions


 
Delldude said:
Prove they were winning.......did you know USAID was paying for the war news coming out of the Ukraine?


Genocide is still genocide....ask all the Russian and Ukrainian widows and families.

Just like Gaza started.
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How ridiculous do you want to get.? Sorry , not going there. I already stated the Russian army was deserting and dying because of Russia's illegal invasion of the Ukraine. The immoral blanket bombing of civilians added war crimes to their list of unconscionable actions. They deserve to lose and be held accountable for their actions. No other compromise would send the right message to the russian leadership.
 
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gipper said:
BS. The US and GB overthrew Mosaddegh and installed a right wing dictator, who allowed big oil to steal Iran’s oil. It’s been done in central and South America several times. Hawaii, Philippines, Cuba, Ukraine, Libya, Syria……

They’ve been trying to overthrow Cuba and Venezuela for decades.

Com’n Joe! You know this stuff. You have to let go of the myths you were told in government grade school and get real. A quick internet search is all that’s needed.

“US-Gate”? Overthrowing Other People’s Governments: The Master List of U.S. “Regime Changes”​


Instances of the United States overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government)

  • China 1949 to early 1960s
  • Albania 1949-53
  • East Germany 1950s
  • Iran 1953 *
  • Guatemala 1954 *
  • Costa Rica mid-1950s
  • Syria 1956-7
  • Egypt 1957
  • Indonesia 1957-8
  • British Guiana 1953-64 *
  • Iraq 1963 *
  • North Vietnam 1945-73
  • Cambodia 1955-70 *
  • Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
  • Ecuador 1960-63 *
  • Congo 1960 *
  • France 1965
  • Brazil 1962-64 *
  • Dominican Republic 1963 *
  • Cuba 1959 to present
  • Bolivia 1964 *
  • Indonesia 1965 *
  • Ghana 1966 *
  • Chile 1964-73 *
  • Greece 1967 *
  • Costa Rica 1970-71
  • Bolivia 1971 *
  • Australia 1973-75 *
  • Angola 1975, 1980s
  • Zaire 1975
  • Portugal 1974-76 *
  • Jamaica 1976-80 *
  • Seychelles 1979-81
  • Chad 1981-82 *
  • Grenada 1983 *
  • South Yemen 1982-84
  • Suriname 1982-84
  • Fiji 1987 *
  • Libya 1980s
  • Nicaragua 1981-90 *
  • Panama 1989 *
  • Bulgaria 1990 *
  • Albania 1991 *
  • Iraq 1991
  • Afghanistan 1980s *
  • Somalia 1993
  • Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
  • Ecuador 2000 *
  • Afghanistan 2001 *
  • Venezuela 2002 *
  • Iraq 2003 *
  • Haiti 2004 *
  • Somalia 2007 to present
  • Libya 2011*
  • Syria 2012
https://www.globalresearch.ca/overt...the-master-list-of-u-s-regime-changes/5400829
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Um, no. the Shah was the legitimate sovereign of Iran. Mossedequi was a PM who disbanded his own parliment before they could oust him.

Your list is kind of lame. Seriously, China in 1949? You mean when we supported our wartime ally against a communist insurgency? (I generally try to give Chinese history some context here, but man, you are really stretching)
 
JoeB131 said:
Um, no. the Shah was the legitimate sovereign of Iran. Mossedequi was a PM who disbanded his own parliment before they could oust him.

Your list is kind of lame. Seriously, China in 1949? You mean when we supported our wartime ally against a communist insurgency? (I generally try to give Chinese history some context here, but man, you are really stretching)
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Oh brother. Joe you’re a statist. You support this shit show that is our government.

There is no dispute by most experts that the US has committed numerous coups, including Iran. The Iranians know it.
 
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