Let's Discuss The Ramifications Of Mob Rule

[xotoxi]

Let's just say...for the sake of argument...a different group decided to March peacefully through the the streets of an American town.

Would you take umbrage with a violent counter-protest?

Yep, that's what we have law enforcement for.


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What would law enforcement do in the above example?

 

[Clementine]

We as citizens are guaranteed certain rights both under our Constitution and laws. We are guaranteed the right to peaceably assemble and express our views and opinions and not be molested by the government or other citizens. When we start allowing a mob to veto our rights this country is destine for destruction.

Take the emotion out of it and concentrate completely on our system. No matter how repugnant a persons views are, no one and I mean no one has the right to physically assault or block the path of peaceful demonstrations. If the demonstrators start getting violent it is the job of law enforcement to deal with the situation. No mob, counter protest or what you chose to call them has the right to deny anyone their constitutionally guaranteed rights. If you want to see the country destroyed, feel free to keep cheering the mob on.

This is not a thread for finger pointing, it is for a discussion on how we preserve our rights and our country.


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The constitution is really in the way of liberal group think. They don't give a shit about rights. They've all proved that they don't care about history. They either try to rewrite it or simply erase it, like they are doing now by destroying statues and monuments in the south.

Liberals operate on feelings. Constitution doesn't play into it.

It was like when Sandra Fluke talked at the hearing regarding birth control. It was supposed to be about legal arguments for forcing religious organizations to provide things against their beliefs. Nothing in Fluke's "testimony" had a damn thing to do with legalities. It was all about feelings and how she and others really wanted their birth control paid for. It was all about getting people to feel sorry for her plight and ignoring the law.

It's the same approach every time. Liberals manipulate people's feelings with rhetoric and make them feel like victims, then offer solutions that are not legal. Right now, they are about stopping free speech when they don't like it. The mobs are too stupid to understand that either we all have rights or none of us have rights.

Some seem to think that no one has a right to offend them. And that they have a right to get violent to shut people up.

The bad part is that too many Dem leaders are allowing these mobs to call the shots. They go out of their way to humor them. The mobs are destroying all the monuments and statues. The cities are taking them down, too. Good or bad, history must stay. True that if we don't learn from it, we are doomed to repeat it.

All of these riots are planned and funded by the likes of Soros. All is going according to plan. They intend to keep up the chaos and that means giving these paid mobs a lot of leeway. They are ignoring laws to pander to these groups and it's all for the endgame. And the goal is not about making America strong again. It's about destroying it. Soros, Hillary and other radicals want one world government. This is all part of the carefully laid out plan to achieve that.

 

[OKTexas]

Bullshit, everyone has a right to speak their peace without interference, kicking ass proves you are no better than they are and your ideas are inferior.


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They are goddamned nazis, remember them? You may somehow differentiate these people from the monsters that murdered millions in WWII but they are exactly the same. Their bullshit does not deserve the same level of forbearance we have for a boy scout rally and they should never take precedence over the entire rest of America who really, really do not like them at all. What about the far more numerous group of Americans who despise hate groups? You would segregate them to some remote free-speech-zone just so the Nazis could have a hater circle-jerk n peace?

Great, how about I take the same attitude toward anyone I disagree with and shut you down and kick your ass every time you try to speak. If we acquiesce the first time where does it end. In my opinion the best path is to protect everyone or you can legally protect no one. Is that a country you want to live in?


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Any man preaching that toxic bullshit should have at least one man equal in all respects right in his face telling him he is full of shit. Do you get it now? Hate preachers are supposed to be shouted down by a decent people, it's the very basis of democracy.

Let's use an example of a group we can both equally despise. Suppose NAMBLA wanted to have a rally in your downtown. Think they ought to be allowed to preach the joys of man-boy love without opposition? Wouldn't you want to turn out give them the very worst welcome you could manage? How about Westborough church? Think they ought to be able to picket military funerals without counter protestors to shout them down?

Now realize that a lot of very decent people put Nazis, pederasts, and those who insult our war dead in the same bucket.

See post #34.


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Yeah it's bullshit. Are you familiar with the term "Good German"? I am sure you are but for anyone else reading this it refers to how the German people were blinded by propaganda and patriotism into accepting horrible things being done in their names. Don't be a "Good American" and let your conservatism blind you into just accepting these horrible people as your own. They are already ruining your brand far more than you know.

That's where you got it wrong, no conservative embraces extremism, what's harming our brand is calling out the wrong doing on all sides. The MSM propaganda machine is turning you regressives into Good Americans. When the rights of one American is diminished, all are diminished. We can't ignore despicable acts of anyone, all must be held accountable within the framework of our laws and Constitution.


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[jknowgood]

Decent enough thread on it's face, however, who is the mob referring to in your mind?

Whoever incites violence.

 

[OKTexas]

Let's just say...for the sake of argument...a different group decided to March peacefully through the the streets of an American town.

Would you take umbrage with a violent counter-protest?

Yep, that's what we have law enforcement for.


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What would law enforcement do in the above example?

I assume those are ISIS flags, ISIS is an enemy of the country, they could be prosecuted for providing material support for terrorist.


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[OKTexas]

We as citizens are guaranteed certain rights both under our Constitution and laws. We are guaranteed the right to peaceably assemble and express our views and opinions and not be molested by the government or other citizens. When we start allowing a mob to veto our rights this country is destine for destruction.

Take the emotion out of it and concentrate completely on our system. No matter how repugnant a persons views are, no one and I mean no one has the right to physically assault or block the path of peaceful demonstrations. If the demonstrators start getting violent it is the job of law enforcement to deal with the situation. No mob, counter protest or what you chose to call them has the right to deny anyone their constitutionally guaranteed rights. If you want to see the country destroyed, feel free to keep cheering the mob on.

This is not a thread for finger pointing, it is for a discussion on how we preserve our rights and our country.


.

The constitution is really in the way of liberal group think. They don't give a shit about rights. They've all proved that they don't care about history. They either try to rewrite it or simply erase it, like they are doing now by destroying statues and monuments in the south.

Liberals operate on feelings. Constitution doesn't play into it.

It was like when Sandra Fluke talked at the hearing regarding birth control. It was supposed to be about legal arguments for forcing religious organizations to provide things against their beliefs. Nothing in Fluke's "testimony" had a damn thing to do with legalities. It was all about feelings and how she and others really wanted their birth control paid for. It was all about getting people to feel sorry for her plight and ignoring the law.

It's the same approach every time. Liberals manipulate people's feelings with rhetoric and make them feel like victims, then offer solutions that are not legal. Right now, they are about stopping free speech when they don't like it. The mobs are too stupid to understand that either we all have rights or none of us have rights.

Some seem to think that no one has a right to offend them. And that they have a right to get violent to shut people up.

The bad part is that too many Dem leaders are allowing these mobs to call the shots. They go out of their way to humor them. The mobs are destroying all the monuments and statues. The cities are taking them down, too. Good or bad, history must stay. True that if we don't learn from it, we are doomed to repeat it.

All of these riots are planned and funded by the likes of Soros. All is going according to plan. They intend to keep up the chaos and that means giving these paid mobs a lot of leeway. They are ignoring laws to pander to these groups and it's all for the endgame. And the goal is not about making America strong again. It's about destroying it. Soros, Hillary and other radicals want one world government. This is all part of the carefully laid out plan to achieve that.

The question is how do we insure equal protection and uphold our laws and Constitution? Can we continue to allow the mob to veto the rights of anyone and have the country survive?


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[OKTexas]

Decent enough thread on it's face, however, who is the mob referring to in your mind?

Whoever incites violence.

Or anyone who is determined to deny a fellow citizens Constitutional rights by actions, not speech.


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[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Decent enough thread on it's face, however, who is the mob referring to in your mind?

Whoever incites violence.

Or anyone who is determined to deny a fellow citizens Constitutional rights by actions, not speech.


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The ultimate test of one's dedication to liberty and democracy is the lengths to which he will go to protect the most heinous, repugnant, angering, offensive speech.

The way to shut down shitty messages is to allow them to show their ass, then beat them up with your better, more compelling message. The communist revolutionaries can't do so, because their message is bullshit. So, violence is the result.

 

[OKTexas]

Decent enough thread on it's face, however, who is the mob referring to in your mind?

Whoever incites violence.

Or anyone who is determined to deny a fellow citizens Constitutional rights by actions, not speech.


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The ultimate test of one's dedication to liberty and democracy is the lengths to which he will go to protect the most heinous, repugnant, angering, offensive speech.

The way to shut down shitty messages is to allow them to show their ass, then beat them up with your better, more compelling message. The communist revolutionaries can't do so, because their message is bullshit. So, violence is the result.

You're correct, tolerance for all POVs is our strength, it's not a weakness. The weakness will come when any group is allowed to violently invade the personal space of another, or destroy private property with impunity while law enforcement stands by and watches. A government who abdicates their responsibility to protect the rights of all citizens, ceases to be a valid government.


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[Reasonable]

The hateful left of course.
The antifa.

The other group had a permit and was peacefully protesting.

Peacefully protesting my ass..
Educate yourself of what really happened in C -Ville by eye witnesses. Your media has been lying to you.
What the “Alt-Left” Trump Despises Was Actually Doing in Charlottesville Last Weekend

 

[xotoxi]

Let's just say...for the sake of argument...a different group decided to March peacefully through the the streets of an American town.

Would you take umbrage with a violent counter-protest?

Yep, that's what we have law enforcement for.


.

What would law enforcement do in the above example?

I assume those are ISIS flags, ISIS is an enemy of the country, they could be prosecuted for providing material support for terrorist.


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The Nazis are an enemy of our country as well.

 

[OKTexas]

Let's just say...for the sake of argument...a different group decided to March peacefully through the the streets of an American town.

Would you take umbrage with a violent counter-protest?

Yep, that's what we have law enforcement for.


.

What would law enforcement do in the above example?

I assume those are ISIS flags, ISIS is an enemy of the country, they could be prosecuted for providing material support for terrorist.


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The Nazis are an enemy of our country as well.

Are they actively at war with us? Should they become so, we have systems in place to deal with them.


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[MarcATL]

Decent enough thread on it's face, however, who is the mob referring to in your mind?

Whoever incites violence.

OK, so in the case of what occurred in Charlottesville last Saturday, who incited the violence?

 

[MarcATL]

Decent enough thread on it's face, however, who is the mob referring to in your mind?

Whoever incites violence.

Or anyone who is determined to deny a fellow citizens Constitutional rights by actions, not speech.


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[OKTexas]

Decent enough thread on it's face, however, who is the mob referring to in your mind?

Whoever incites violence.

Or anyone who is determined to deny a fellow citizens Constitutional rights by actions, not speech.


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Where are you going to move them? The whole point of the thread is a veto of rights by mob actions.


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[jillian]

We as citizens are guaranteed certain rights both under our Constitution and laws. We are guaranteed the right to peaceably assemble and express our views and opinions and not be molested by the government or other citizens. When we start allowing a mob to veto our rights this country is destine for destruction.

Take the emotion out of it and concentrate completely on our system. No matter how repugnant a persons views are, no one and I mean no one has the right to physically assault or block the path of peaceful demonstrations. If the demonstrators start getting violent it is the job of law enforcement to deal with the situation. No mob, counter protest or what you chose to call them has the right to deny anyone their constitutionally guaranteed rights. If you want to see the country destroyed, feel free to keep cheering the mob on.

This is not a thread for finger pointing, it is for a discussion on how we preserve our rights and our country.


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yes, we have the right to peacefully express our hatred for white supremacist pondscum.

and the white supremacist have the right to peacefully embarrass themselves by riling up fellow white supremacists?

one has to ask if wearing hoods and arming themselves with torches and massive amounts of weaponry was the way to do that but that is neither here nor there.

those peacefully protesting the hate-filled garbage had the right to do so without a car driven by a white supremacist loser driving into them. it was terrorism, something you would say without blinking if it were done by a muslim.

there were no "many sides" or even "two sides".

there was scum... and the people peacefully standing up to the scum.

characterizing the protesters as a mob is kind of saying one should just let Nazis march without response.

is that what you're saying?

 

[xotoxi]

Let's just say...for the sake of argument...a different group decided to March peacefully through the the streets of an American town.

Would you take umbrage with a violent counter-protest?

Yep, that's what we have law enforcement for.


.

What would law enforcement do in the above example?

I assume those are ISIS flags, ISIS is an enemy of the country, they could be prosecuted for providing material support for terrorist.


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The Nazis are an enemy of our country as well.

Are they actively at war with us? Should they become so, we have systems in place to deal with them.


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So being actively at war with our country is the requirement. I see.

You've done a nice job structuring this thread with little rules and exceptions that will discredit anyone else's point.

But just for the record, Nazi's and ISIS are both vile hate organizations, historically and presently. And because of this, there are many people who react to their presence and their message in a very physical way. It is natural, and should be expected.

 

[jknowgood]

Decent enough thread on it's face, however, who is the mob referring to in your mind?

Whoever incites violence.

OK, so in the case of what occurred in Charlottesville last Saturday, who incited the violence?

I don't know I haven't seen the video. But the Nazi group has been holding rallies without violence or the media hasn't reported it. Now the left's gang we have seen how they are violent, break laws over and over. Just saying. I don't support the Nazi's, but they have the right to hold a rally.

 

[OKTexas]

We as citizens are guaranteed certain rights both under our Constitution and laws. We are guaranteed the right to peaceably assemble and express our views and opinions and not be molested by the government or other citizens. When we start allowing a mob to veto our rights this country is destine for destruction.

Take the emotion out of it and concentrate completely on our system. No matter how repugnant a persons views are, no one and I mean no one has the right to physically assault or block the path of peaceful demonstrations. If the demonstrators start getting violent it is the job of law enforcement to deal with the situation. No mob, counter protest or what you chose to call them has the right to deny anyone their constitutionally guaranteed rights. If you want to see the country destroyed, feel free to keep cheering the mob on.

This is not a thread for finger pointing, it is for a discussion on how we preserve our rights and our country.


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yes, we have the right to peacefully express our hatred for white supremacist pondscum.

and the white supremacist have the right to peacefully embarrass themselves by riling up fellow white supremacists?

one has to ask if wearing hoods and arming themselves with torches and massive amounts of weaponry was the way to do that but that is neither here nor there.

those peacefully protesting the hate-filled garbage had the right to do so without a car driven by a white supremacist loser driving into them. it was terrorism, something you would say without blinking if it were done by a muslim.

there were no "many sides" or even "two sides".

there was scum... and the people peacefully standing up to the scum.

characterizing the protesters as a mob is kind of saying one should just let Nazis march without response.

is that what you're saying?

I'm sorry you lack the ability to grasp the concept of the OP. This isn't just about Charlottesville, what about Berkley where a violent mob shut down free speech by an invited speaker and destroyed private property and attacked people, or the Trump rally that was canceled by the threats of a mob and the numerous demonstrations across the country that are being reconsidered because of the threats of violence.

The threats aren't coming from to groups organizing these events, but from outside groups determined to deny them their constitutionally protected rights. Are you seriously siding with the antifa anarchist and BLM who think they have the right to shut down constitutionally protected speech though violence or threats of violence? We can't allow any mob to have a veto on any constitutional rights, wouldn't you agree?


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[jillian]

We as citizens are guaranteed certain rights both under our Constitution and laws. We are guaranteed the right to peaceably assemble and express our views and opinions and not be molested by the government or other citizens. When we start allowing a mob to veto our rights this country is destine for destruction.

Take the emotion out of it and concentrate completely on our system. No matter how repugnant a persons views are, no one and I mean no one has the right to physically assault or block the path of peaceful demonstrations. If the demonstrators start getting violent it is the job of law enforcement to deal with the situation. No mob, counter protest or what you chose to call them has the right to deny anyone their constitutionally guaranteed rights. If you want to see the country destroyed, feel free to keep cheering the mob on.

This is not a thread for finger pointing, it is for a discussion on how we preserve our rights and our country.


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yes, we have the right to peacefully express our hatred for white supremacist pondscum.

and the white supremacist have the right to peacefully embarrass themselves by riling up fellow white supremacists?

one has to ask if wearing hoods and arming themselves with torches and massive amounts of weaponry was the way to do that but that is neither here nor there.

those peacefully protesting the hate-filled garbage had the right to do so without a car driven by a white supremacist loser driving into them. it was terrorism, something you would say without blinking if it were done by a muslim.

there were no "many sides" or even "two sides".

there was scum... and the people peacefully standing up to the scum.

characterizing the protesters as a mob is kind of saying one should just let Nazis march without response.

is that what you're saying?

I'm sorry you lack the ability to grasp the concept of the OP. This isn't just about Charlottesville, what about Berkley where a violent mob shut down free speech by an invited speaker and destroyed private property and attacked people, or the Trump rally that was canceled by the threats of a mob and the numerous demonstrations across the country that are being reconsidered because of the threats of violence.

The threats aren't coming from to groups organizing these events, but from outside groups determined to deny them their constitutionally protected rights. Are you seriously siding with the antifa anarchist and BLM who think they have the right to shut down constitutionally protected speech though violence or threats of violence? We can't allow any mob to have a veto on any constitutional rights, wouldn't you agree?


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I grasp the "concepts" in the o/p. you weren't talking about berkely. it was clear that you were talking about charlottesburg. but ok... you want to move the goal posts, I'm game.

they were wrong in Berkeley.

but the president of the US didn't get up and say they were right and encourage their behavior, did he?

see, that's the problem with trumpbots... you can't have a discussion with you people.