Let's Correct This "End of the World" Crap

[C_Clayton_Jones]

So I have seen a lot of threads, usually posted by atheists, harping about end of the world prophecies by people relying upon the Bible. Let's clarify some misunderstandings. What the Bible refers to is Jewish Apocalypticism. This is what is written about in such Old Testament texts as Daniel and Zechariah. There are many apocalyptic sayings attributed to Jesus in the gospels. Paul's letters are very apocalyptic and Revelation is totally apocalyptic.

The first thing that both atheists and theists need to understand is that Jewish apocalypticism as discussed in the Bible is NOT about the end of the world. It is about the end of the "present age" (aka the "evil age") and the beginning of the "future age" or the establishment of God's Good Kingdom on Earth. The Bible, and Jewish Apocalypticism, does not predict the end of the world, it predicts the end of an evil world and the beginning of a righteous world. You might think of it as a "return to Eden" where people are free to worship and live in communion and perfect harmony with God and God's influence is ever present as it was according to the Genesis story of Eden.

People have gotten this wrong for centuries, so don't feel bad. But one must understand that an apocalypticist today is not what an apocalypticist was in antiquity. Today we think of an apocalypticist as a crazy guy on the corner with a bullhorn shouting "Beware, beware...the end is near!". That person is nuts and is sending a message of fear and impending destruction. In antiquity, an apocalypticist was doing the opposite. They were sending a message of hope and reassurance. Their message was "very soon, the wicked will be punished and you will be rewarded for your faith...so hang in there and don't give up."

Yes, often the Biblical descriptions are rife with death and destruction for the wicked, but much of that is done for the purpose of making a political statement and the reassurance that "those who are persecuting us now are going to get what is coming to them". In the end, God wins and the world is reborn very much like the descriptions of Eden; think of how New Jerusalem is described in Revelation.

So can both theists and atheists PLEASE give the "end of the world" crap a rest. That's not what the Bible is talking about.

There are no 'misunderstandings.'

It is correctly understood that 'end of the world,' however perceived or expressed by Christians, is still Christian mythology – devoid of fact, truth, or relevance.

 

[sealybobo]

So I have seen a lot of threads, usually posted by atheists, harping about end of the world prophecies by people relying upon the Bible. Let's clarify some misunderstandings. What the Bible refers to is Jewish Apocalypticism. This is what is written about in such Old Testament texts as Daniel and Zechariah. There are many apocalyptic sayings attributed to Jesus in the gospels. Paul's letters are very apocalyptic and Revelation is totally apocalyptic.

The first thing that both atheists and theists need to understand is that Jewish apocalypticism as discussed in the Bible is NOT about the end of the world. It is about the end of the "present age" (aka the "evil age") and the beginning of the "future age" or the establishment of God's Good Kingdom on Earth. The Bible, and Jewish Apocalypticism, does not predict the end of the world, it predicts the end of an evil world and the beginning of a righteous world. You might think of it as a "return to Eden" where people are free to worship and live in communion and perfect harmony with God and God's influence is ever present as it was according to the Genesis story of Eden.

People have gotten this wrong for centuries, so don't feel bad. But one must understand that an apocalypticist today is not what an apocalypticist was in antiquity. Today we think of an apocalypticist as a crazy guy on the corner with a bullhorn shouting "Beware, beware...the end is near!". That person is nuts and is sending a message of fear and impending destruction. In antiquity, an apocalypticist was doing the opposite. They were sending a message of hope and reassurance. Their message was "very soon, the wicked will be punished and you will be rewarded for your faith...so hang in there and don't give up."

Yes, often the Biblical descriptions are rife with death and destruction for the wicked, but much of that is done for the purpose of making a political statement and the reassurance that "those who are persecuting us now are going to get what is coming to them". In the end, God wins and the world is reborn very much like the descriptions of Eden; think of how New Jerusalem is described in Revelation.

So can both theists and atheists PLEASE give the "end of the world" crap a rest. That's not what the Bible is talking about.

There are no 'misunderstandings.'

It is correctly understood that 'end of the world,' however perceived or expressed by Christians, is still Christian mythology – devoid of fact, truth, or relevance.

Translation. When the end comes its for you not for bluephantom. He will remain happy and safe because he believes a story someone told him. Anyone who doesn't believe this story isn't so lucky.

So what's it gonna be? Want to join the club?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

So I have seen a lot of threads, usually posted by atheists, harping about end of the world prophecies by people relying upon the Bible. Let's clarify some misunderstandings. What the Bible refers to is Jewish Apocalypticism. This is what is written about in such Old Testament texts as Daniel and Zechariah. There are many apocalyptic sayings attributed to Jesus in the gospels. Paul's letters are very apocalyptic and Revelation is totally apocalyptic.

The first thing that both atheists and theists need to understand is that Jewish apocalypticism as discussed in the Bible is NOT about the end of the world. It is about the end of the "present age" (aka the "evil age") and the beginning of the "future age" or the establishment of God's Good Kingdom on Earth. The Bible, and Jewish Apocalypticism, does not predict the end of the world, it predicts the end of an evil world and the beginning of a righteous world. You might think of it as a "return to Eden" where people are free to worship and live in communion and perfect harmony with God and God's influence is ever present as it was according to the Genesis story of Eden.

People have gotten this wrong for centuries, so don't feel bad. But one must understand that an apocalypticist today is not what an apocalypticist was in antiquity. Today we think of an apocalypticist as a crazy guy on the corner with a bullhorn shouting "Beware, beware...the end is near!". That person is nuts and is sending a message of fear and impending destruction. In antiquity, an apocalypticist was doing the opposite. They were sending a message of hope and reassurance. Their message was "very soon, the wicked will be punished and you will be rewarded for your faith...so hang in there and don't give up."

Yes, often the Biblical descriptions are rife with death and destruction for the wicked, but much of that is done for the purpose of making a political statement and the reassurance that "those who are persecuting us now are going to get what is coming to them". In the end, God wins and the world is reborn very much like the descriptions of Eden; think of how New Jerusalem is described in Revelation.

So can both theists and atheists PLEASE give the "end of the world" crap a rest. That's not what the Bible is talking about.

Here is a word for atheists.

The day you die? Is the end of the world for you and the beginning of eternity.

Where are you going to spend it? Heaven or hell? If you died tonight, are you ready to meet the LORD and give an account for your life? If not? Get ready. Tomorrow is not a guarantee for anyone. Today is the day of Salvation. TODAY. Do not put it off.

 

[sealybobo]

So I have seen a lot of threads, usually posted by atheists, harping about end of the world prophecies by people relying upon the Bible. Let's clarify some misunderstandings. What the Bible refers to is Jewish Apocalypticism. This is what is written about in such Old Testament texts as Daniel and Zechariah. There are many apocalyptic sayings attributed to Jesus in the gospels. Paul's letters are very apocalyptic and Revelation is totally apocalyptic.

The first thing that both atheists and theists need to understand is that Jewish apocalypticism as discussed in the Bible is NOT about the end of the world. It is about the end of the "present age" (aka the "evil age") and the beginning of the "future age" or the establishment of God's Good Kingdom on Earth. The Bible, and Jewish Apocalypticism, does not predict the end of the world, it predicts the end of an evil world and the beginning of a righteous world. You might think of it as a "return to Eden" where people are free to worship and live in communion and perfect harmony with God and God's influence is ever present as it was according to the Genesis story of Eden.

People have gotten this wrong for centuries, so don't feel bad. But one must understand that an apocalypticist today is not what an apocalypticist was in antiquity. Today we think of an apocalypticist as a crazy guy on the corner with a bullhorn shouting "Beware, beware...the end is near!". That person is nuts and is sending a message of fear and impending destruction. In antiquity, an apocalypticist was doing the opposite. They were sending a message of hope and reassurance. Their message was "very soon, the wicked will be punished and you will be rewarded for your faith...so hang in there and don't give up."

Yes, often the Biblical descriptions are rife with death and destruction for the wicked, but much of that is done for the purpose of making a political statement and the reassurance that "those who are persecuting us now are going to get what is coming to them". In the end, God wins and the world is reborn very much like the descriptions of Eden; think of how New Jerusalem is described in Revelation.

So can both theists and atheists PLEASE give the "end of the world" crap a rest. That's not what the Bible is talking about.

Here is a word for atheists.

The day you die? Is the end of the world for you and the beginning of eternity.

Where are you going to spend it? Heaven or hell? If you died tonight, are you ready to meet the LORD and give an account for your life? If not? Get ready. Tomorrow is not a guarantee for anyone. Today is the day of Salvation. TODAY. Do not put it off.

What was it like for you the 13 billion years before the day you were born?

That's what it's like after you die.

There is no beginning of eternity.

 

[RodISHI]

So I have seen a lot of threads, usually posted by atheists, harping about end of the world prophecies by people relying upon the Bible. Let's clarify some misunderstandings. What the Bible refers to is Jewish Apocalypticism. This is what is written about in such Old Testament texts as Daniel and Zechariah. There are many apocalyptic sayings attributed to Jesus in the gospels. Paul's letters are very apocalyptic and Revelation is totally apocalyptic.

The first thing that both atheists and theists need to understand is that Jewish apocalypticism as discussed in the Bible is NOT about the end of the world. It is about the end of the "present age" (aka the "evil age") and the beginning of the "future age" or the establishment of God's Good Kingdom on Earth. The Bible, and Jewish Apocalypticism, does not predict the end of the world, it predicts the end of an evil world and the beginning of a righteous world. You might think of it as a "return to Eden" where people are free to worship and live in communion and perfect harmony with God and God's influence is ever present as it was according to the Genesis story of Eden.

People have gotten this wrong for centuries, so don't feel bad. But one must understand that an apocalypticist today is not what an apocalypticist was in antiquity. Today we think of an apocalypticist as a crazy guy on the corner with a bullhorn shouting "Beware, beware...the end is near!". That person is nuts and is sending a message of fear and impending destruction. In antiquity, an apocalypticist was doing the opposite. They were sending a message of hope and reassurance. Their message was "very soon, the wicked will be punished and you will be rewarded for your faith...so hang in there and don't give up."

Yes, often the Biblical descriptions are rife with death and destruction for the wicked, but much of that is done for the purpose of making a political statement and the reassurance that "those who are persecuting us now are going to get what is coming to them". In the end, God wins and the world is reborn very much like the descriptions of Eden; think of how New Jerusalem is described in Revelation.

So can both theists and atheists PLEASE give the "end of the world" crap a rest. That's not what the Bible is talking about.

Harry Potter was a better story

Why didn't God just do this "end of days" crap instead of drown everyone back in Noah's day? Seems God could have skipped the Noah scene and cut to the getting rid of the sinners and a glorious return to a garden of edin. Let theists explain this away.

Maybe you should seek it out. I would recommend the books of Enoch - aka Enos as it describes the times in the future. Luke 17:26 "Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man.

 

[sealybobo]

So I have seen a lot of threads, usually posted by atheists, harping about end of the world prophecies by people relying upon the Bible. Let's clarify some misunderstandings. What the Bible refers to is Jewish Apocalypticism. This is what is written about in such Old Testament texts as Daniel and Zechariah. There are many apocalyptic sayings attributed to Jesus in the gospels. Paul's letters are very apocalyptic and Revelation is totally apocalyptic.

The first thing that both atheists and theists need to understand is that Jewish apocalypticism as discussed in the Bible is NOT about the end of the world. It is about the end of the "present age" (aka the "evil age") and the beginning of the "future age" or the establishment of God's Good Kingdom on Earth. The Bible, and Jewish Apocalypticism, does not predict the end of the world, it predicts the end of an evil world and the beginning of a righteous world. You might think of it as a "return to Eden" where people are free to worship and live in communion and perfect harmony with God and God's influence is ever present as it was according to the Genesis story of Eden.

People have gotten this wrong for centuries, so don't feel bad. But one must understand that an apocalypticist today is not what an apocalypticist was in antiquity. Today we think of an apocalypticist as a crazy guy on the corner with a bullhorn shouting "Beware, beware...the end is near!". That person is nuts and is sending a message of fear and impending destruction. In antiquity, an apocalypticist was doing the opposite. They were sending a message of hope and reassurance. Their message was "very soon, the wicked will be punished and you will be rewarded for your faith...so hang in there and don't give up."

Yes, often the Biblical descriptions are rife with death and destruction for the wicked, but much of that is done for the purpose of making a political statement and the reassurance that "those who are persecuting us now are going to get what is coming to them". In the end, God wins and the world is reborn very much like the descriptions of Eden; think of how New Jerusalem is described in Revelation.

So can both theists and atheists PLEASE give the "end of the world" crap a rest. That's not what the Bible is talking about.

Harry Potter was a better story

Why didn't God just do this "end of days" crap instead of drown everyone back in Noah's day? Seems God could have skipped the Noah scene and cut to the getting rid of the sinners and a glorious return to a garden of edin. Let theists explain this away.

Maybe you should seek it out. I would recommend the books of Enoch - aka Enos as it describes the times in the future. Luke 17:26 "Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man.

So God made a mistake? He could have skipped the flood and just did the end days thing.

 

[RodISHI]

So I have seen a lot of threads, usually posted by atheists, harping about end of the world prophecies by people relying upon the Bible. Let's clarify some misunderstandings. What the Bible refers to is Jewish Apocalypticism. This is what is written about in such Old Testament texts as Daniel and Zechariah. There are many apocalyptic sayings attributed to Jesus in the gospels. Paul's letters are very apocalyptic and Revelation is totally apocalyptic.

The first thing that both atheists and theists need to understand is that Jewish apocalypticism as discussed in the Bible is NOT about the end of the world. It is about the end of the "present age" (aka the "evil age") and the beginning of the "future age" or the establishment of God's Good Kingdom on Earth. The Bible, and Jewish Apocalypticism, does not predict the end of the world, it predicts the end of an evil world and the beginning of a righteous world. You might think of it as a "return to Eden" where people are free to worship and live in communion and perfect harmony with God and God's influence is ever present as it was according to the Genesis story of Eden.

People have gotten this wrong for centuries, so don't feel bad. But one must understand that an apocalypticist today is not what an apocalypticist was in antiquity. Today we think of an apocalypticist as a crazy guy on the corner with a bullhorn shouting "Beware, beware...the end is near!". That person is nuts and is sending a message of fear and impending destruction. In antiquity, an apocalypticist was doing the opposite. They were sending a message of hope and reassurance. Their message was "very soon, the wicked will be punished and you will be rewarded for your faith...so hang in there and don't give up."

Yes, often the Biblical descriptions are rife with death and destruction for the wicked, but much of that is done for the purpose of making a political statement and the reassurance that "those who are persecuting us now are going to get what is coming to them". In the end, God wins and the world is reborn very much like the descriptions of Eden; think of how New Jerusalem is described in Revelation.

So can both theists and atheists PLEASE give the "end of the world" crap a rest. That's not what the Bible is talking about.

Harry Potter was a better story

Why didn't God just do this "end of days" crap instead of drown everyone back in Noah's day? Seems God could have skipped the Noah scene and cut to the getting rid of the sinners and a glorious return to a garden of edin. Let theists explain this away.

Maybe you should seek it out. I would recommend the books of Enoch - aka Enos as it describes the times in the future. Luke 17:26 "Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man.

So God made a mistake? He could have skipped the flood and just did the end days thing.

God does not make mistakes. Humankind is given choice. I believe the whole Word so a bit different than what some may teach concerning the growth of the eternal soul being. If you go to the end of the Bible you see the Bride saying come. If you go to the beginning of the Bible you will see that God created the Son (first born male and female- given seed to be fruitful and multiply), the host of heaven, etc. Then you can read where human (red earth: Adam) is created from the dust of the earth, made into a living soul and put into a garden of its own pleasure (Eden- the individual body is that garden). From the garden that soul being (with breath- hosts of heaven planted within the human) grows from this point and the generations of that growth and the periods of growth are written into the Old Testament and New Testament. As the red earth is awakened and given skins as covering it is chased from living in its own pleasure. The Lord gives this (very durable covering badger skin) to cover the human for its soul will not die in its own shame.

As red earth- clod (the human or garden where the soul being lives) there are heavenly hosts that rule over each one. There is an Abel (breath- nothing- a vapor- like the mist that went to heaven upon the first prayer) portion and the Cain (a possession- that which is acquired as a possession as if you made it on your own) portion continuing on through generations the being goes through various stages- (at this point you read about those hosts generally in the Bible). These include the Edomite portions (left hand- red or radical earth) and that rule over Jacob portion (right hand- heel catcher- trying not to be crushed by self adversity- working towards become a contender to be the child of Jehovah). The whole is called son of Man (or son of the Firstborn). Within the whole where we live as humans here in this world is a portion created to form into the image of the firstborn (where hidden treasures within are kept) and the portion called the son of perdition (those places we see and may experience in this world).

The flood (of evil) is a part of the growth of the seed (that which is created to grow to be ultimately made into the perfected image of the son of Man- first born who is Jesus- 'Jehovah's salvation with us'). The flood is basically a portion of the spiritual battle ground (it was planted in former times but spiritually still extant in many today). Each makes certain choices while living in the world. Those choices lead to certain things. Those inside the Ark (the heavenly hosts chosen to help the heavenly seed within overcome) chase away those outside of the ark (the portions that will be destroyed- referred to as the son of perdition).

You asked a question why? You will need to ask that within yourself and do the search for your self to find the truth of the spirit within you. No one else can do that for you. As a human there are all kinds of places you can go. Different things you can choose to see, experience, examine and contemplate on. The heaven portions and hell portions are pieces and parts in the spiritual realm of humankind.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

So I have seen a lot of threads, usually posted by atheists, harping about end of the world prophecies by people relying upon the Bible. Let's clarify some misunderstandings. What the Bible refers to is Jewish Apocalypticism. This is what is written about in such Old Testament texts as Daniel and Zechariah. There are many apocalyptic sayings attributed to Jesus in the gospels. Paul's letters are very apocalyptic and Revelation is totally apocalyptic.

The first thing that both atheists and theists need to understand is that Jewish apocalypticism as discussed in the Bible is NOT about the end of the world. It is about the end of the "present age" (aka the "evil age") and the beginning of the "future age" or the establishment of God's Good Kingdom on Earth. The Bible, and Jewish Apocalypticism, does not predict the end of the world, it predicts the end of an evil world and the beginning of a righteous world. You might think of it as a "return to Eden" where people are free to worship and live in communion and perfect harmony with God and God's influence is ever present as it was according to the Genesis story of Eden.

People have gotten this wrong for centuries, so don't feel bad. But one must understand that an apocalypticist today is not what an apocalypticist was in antiquity. Today we think of an apocalypticist as a crazy guy on the corner with a bullhorn shouting "Beware, beware...the end is near!". That person is nuts and is sending a message of fear and impending destruction. In antiquity, an apocalypticist was doing the opposite. They were sending a message of hope and reassurance. Their message was "very soon, the wicked will be punished and you will be rewarded for your faith...so hang in there and don't give up."

Yes, often the Biblical descriptions are rife with death and destruction for the wicked, but much of that is done for the purpose of making a political statement and the reassurance that "those who are persecuting us now are going to get what is coming to them". In the end, God wins and the world is reborn very much like the descriptions of Eden; think of how New Jerusalem is described in Revelation.

So can both theists and atheists PLEASE give the "end of the world" crap a rest. That's not what the Bible is talking about.

Here is a word for atheists.

The day you die? Is the end of the world for you and the beginning of eternity.

Where are you going to spend it? Heaven or hell? If you died tonight, are you ready to meet the LORD and give an account for your life? If not? Get ready. Tomorrow is not a guarantee for anyone. Today is the day of Salvation. TODAY. Do not put it off.

What was it like for you the 13 billion years before the day you were born?

That's what it's like after you die.

There is no beginning of eternity.

You are mistaken about that, Sealy. You were created in the Image of God - see Genesis 1:26. You are a trichotomy. A spirit that has a soul and lives in a body of flesh and blood while here on the earth. What you do here determines where you will spend eternity. You will either go to heaven or you will go to hell. Jesus Christ, the second Adam, who lived a sinless life upon this earth (the Only One to ever walk the earth in sinless perfection) shed his blood on a cross at Calvary and died for your sins - he died in your place - to pay the price for your sins. He didn't have any sin - he died for your sins, my sins, the sins of the world, that whosoever would believe on him would not perish but have everlasting life - we would receive the righteousness of Jesus Christ because this was the plan and the will of God concerning how He would redeem us.

If you decide to reject so great a salvation? There is no hope for you. You will spend eternity in hell and you will never be able to get out of there. You will be regretting throughout eternity the opportunity you passed up.

If you decide to receive the pardon of Christ and accept Him as your Lord and Savior and live for Him, He will give you a new heart and a new desire to follow Him and the things you desire to do now won't be there anymore. All things will become new.

It is up to you. Spirits do not die. They live eternally. Which is why Satan will one day be bound by a chain by one angel and cast into the lake of fire to suffer eternally. Angels are ministering spirits - they do not die. The same Angel that slew over 100,000 of the enemy while Joshua and his men slept is still with us today. Michael the arch angel is still with us today. Gabriel is still with us today. Angels do not die. Ever. The fallen angels that went with Lucifer will be in hell for all eternity. Deceiving spirits, demons have told the servants of Satan that the battle will be won by Satan. That is not possible. He was defeated over 2,000 years ago at the cross on Calvary.

You are a spirit being. You live in a body. You have a soul. When you die? You will be in one of two places for all eternity. Heaven or hell. Which shall it be?

My prayer is that you will choose to follow Jesus Christ and receive Him as your Lord and Savior - the plans the LORD has for you are to bless you and give you a wonderful life of unbroken fellowship with Him, the plans Satan has for you is to destroy you and to see you end up in hell. Because he hates you. Why does he hate you? Because you were created in the image of God and he despises God. He despises his own children. He's only using them until the day he can destroy them in hopes that it will cause God sorrow to see His greatest creation destroyed.

God's greatest creation was not the heavens. It was not the universe. It was not the majesty of the oceans and the mountains, and the rivers and the beauty we see all about us. God's greatest creation was man. His highest creation was man. Which is why Satan has put it into the hearts of men to believe a lie, that you are no more important or entitled to water than the sucker fish are. In fact, given a decision over who will get that water first? He wants you to believe the sucker fish are entitled to it.

Yes, if Satan can convince you that you evolved from an ape rather than the highest creation God ever made - he can rob you of the destiny God has planned for you and the purpose for which He created you. To enjoy unbroken communion with Him and to receive His authority here on the earth as His child. If you ever realize what God has done for you, what God has given you - even His own Power and Authority - you'll be putting Satan under your feet where he belongs. That is what Satan fears. He fears those who belong to God and know how to use their God given authority. He fears those who know the Word of God and obey it. He fears those who dare to live holy in spite of men and devils. That is who he fears.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

So I have seen a lot of threads, usually posted by atheists, harping about end of the world prophecies by people relying upon the Bible. Let's clarify some misunderstandings. What the Bible refers to is Jewish Apocalypticism. This is what is written about in such Old Testament texts as Daniel and Zechariah. There are many apocalyptic sayings attributed to Jesus in the gospels. Paul's letters are very apocalyptic and Revelation is totally apocalyptic.

The first thing that both atheists and theists need to understand is that Jewish apocalypticism as discussed in the Bible is NOT about the end of the world. It is about the end of the "present age" (aka the "evil age") and the beginning of the "future age" or the establishment of God's Good Kingdom on Earth. The Bible, and Jewish Apocalypticism, does not predict the end of the world, it predicts the end of an evil world and the beginning of a righteous world. You might think of it as a "return to Eden" where people are free to worship and live in communion and perfect harmony with God and God's influence is ever present as it was according to the Genesis story of Eden.

People have gotten this wrong for centuries, so don't feel bad. But one must understand that an apocalypticist today is not what an apocalypticist was in antiquity. Today we think of an apocalypticist as a crazy guy on the corner with a bullhorn shouting "Beware, beware...the end is near!". That person is nuts and is sending a message of fear and impending destruction. In antiquity, an apocalypticist was doing the opposite. They were sending a message of hope and reassurance. Their message was "very soon, the wicked will be punished and you will be rewarded for your faith...so hang in there and don't give up."

Yes, often the Biblical descriptions are rife with death and destruction for the wicked, but much of that is done for the purpose of making a political statement and the reassurance that "those who are persecuting us now are going to get what is coming to them". In the end, God wins and the world is reborn very much like the descriptions of Eden; think of how New Jerusalem is described in Revelation.

So can both theists and atheists PLEASE give the "end of the world" crap a rest. That's not what the Bible is talking about.

What I find the most interesting about this is someday some religious group's prediction about the impending end will be correct. But by then no one'll listen because of millenia of false prophet predictions.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

So I have seen a lot of threads, usually posted by atheists, harping about end of the world prophecies by people relying upon the Bible. Let's clarify some misunderstandings. What the Bible refers to is Jewish Apocalypticism. This is what is written about in such Old Testament texts as Daniel and Zechariah. There are many apocalyptic sayings attributed to Jesus in the gospels. Paul's letters are very apocalyptic and Revelation is totally apocalyptic.

The first thing that both atheists and theists need to understand is that Jewish apocalypticism as discussed in the Bible is NOT about the end of the world. It is about the end of the "present age" (aka the "evil age") and the beginning of the "future age" or the establishment of God's Good Kingdom on Earth. The Bible, and Jewish Apocalypticism, does not predict the end of the world, it predicts the end of an evil world and the beginning of a righteous world. You might think of it as a "return to Eden" where people are free to worship and live in communion and perfect harmony with God and God's influence is ever present as it was according to the Genesis story of Eden.

People have gotten this wrong for centuries, so don't feel bad. But one must understand that an apocalypticist today is not what an apocalypticist was in antiquity. Today we think of an apocalypticist as a crazy guy on the corner with a bullhorn shouting "Beware, beware...the end is near!". That person is nuts and is sending a message of fear and impending destruction. In antiquity, an apocalypticist was doing the opposite. They were sending a message of hope and reassurance. Their message was "very soon, the wicked will be punished and you will be rewarded for your faith...so hang in there and don't give up."

Yes, often the Biblical descriptions are rife with death and destruction for the wicked, but much of that is done for the purpose of making a political statement and the reassurance that "those who are persecuting us now are going to get what is coming to them". In the end, God wins and the world is reborn very much like the descriptions of Eden; think of how New Jerusalem is described in Revelation.

So can both theists and atheists PLEASE give the "end of the world" crap a rest. That's not what the Bible is talking about.

What I find the most interesting about this is someday some religious group's prediction about the impending end will be correct. But by then no one'll listen because of millenia of false prophet predictions.

You can count on the fall of America happening in 1 hour. The Bible is very clear about it, see Revelation 18. When Scripture says it will happen? It will happen. Believe the Word of God.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Planet will get destroyed eventually. Nothing in the universe lasts forever. Whether when the Sun enters its' red-giant phase and expands so Earth is actually IN the star, or when Andromeda and Milky Way galaxies merge, or some other astronomical event takes us out. If humans still exist (comparatively doubtful,) someone's gonna use religion andf say 'here comes the end.'

 

[BluePhantom]

So I have seen a lot of threads, usually posted by atheists, harping about end of the world prophecies by people relying upon the Bible. Let's clarify some misunderstandings. What the Bible refers to is Jewish Apocalypticism. This is what is written about in such Old Testament texts as Daniel and Zechariah. There are many apocalyptic sayings attributed to Jesus in the gospels. Paul's letters are very apocalyptic and Revelation is totally apocalyptic.

The first thing that both atheists and theists need to understand is that Jewish apocalypticism as discussed in the Bible is NOT about the end of the world. It is about the end of the "present age" (aka the "evil age") and the beginning of the "future age" or the establishment of God's Good Kingdom on Earth. The Bible, and Jewish Apocalypticism, does not predict the end of the world, it predicts the end of an evil world and the beginning of a righteous world. You might think of it as a "return to Eden" where people are free to worship and live in communion and perfect harmony with God and God's influence is ever present as it was according to the Genesis story of Eden.

People have gotten this wrong for centuries, so don't feel bad. But one must understand that an apocalypticist today is not what an apocalypticist was in antiquity. Today we think of an apocalypticist as a crazy guy on the corner with a bullhorn shouting "Beware, beware...the end is near!". That person is nuts and is sending a message of fear and impending destruction. In antiquity, an apocalypticist was doing the opposite. They were sending a message of hope and reassurance. Their message was "very soon, the wicked will be punished and you will be rewarded for your faith...so hang in there and don't give up."

Yes, often the Biblical descriptions are rife with death and destruction for the wicked, but much of that is done for the purpose of making a political statement and the reassurance that "those who are persecuting us now are going to get what is coming to them". In the end, God wins and the world is reborn very much like the descriptions of Eden; think of how New Jerusalem is described in Revelation.

So can both theists and atheists PLEASE give the "end of the world" crap a rest. That's not what the Bible is talking about.

What I find the most interesting about this is someday some religious group's prediction about the impending end will be correct. But by then no one'll listen because of millenia of false prophet predictions.

Go to Vegas and play roulette. Put $100 on 22 every spin. Eventually you will hit, but how much money will you have spent? Do the odds say you be ahead or behind?

 

[amrchaos]

When the 'evil age' ends--?

Given the concept of original sin and the weakness of the flesh, this end means the end of the world as we know it.

 

[amrchaos]

So I have seen a lot of threads, usually posted by atheists, harping about end of the world prophecies by people relying upon the Bible. Let's clarify some misunderstandings. What the Bible refers to is Jewish Apocalypticism. This is what is written about in such Old Testament texts as Daniel and Zechariah. There are many apocalyptic sayings attributed to Jesus in the gospels. Paul's letters are very apocalyptic and Revelation is totally apocalyptic.

The first thing that both atheists and theists need to understand is that Jewish apocalypticism as discussed in the Bible is NOT about the end of the world. It is about the end of the "present age" (aka the "evil age") and the beginning of the "future age" or the establishment of God's Good Kingdom on Earth. The Bible, and Jewish Apocalypticism, does not predict the end of the world, it predicts the end of an evil world and the beginning of a righteous world. You might think of it as a "return to Eden" where people are free to worship and live in communion and perfect harmony with God and God's influence is ever present as it was according to the Genesis story of Eden.

People have gotten this wrong for centuries, so don't feel bad. But one must understand that an apocalypticist today is not what an apocalypticist was in antiquity. Today we think of an apocalypticist as a crazy guy on the corner with a bullhorn shouting "Beware, beware...the end is near!". That person is nuts and is sending a message of fear and impending destruction. In antiquity, an apocalypticist was doing the opposite. They were sending a message of hope and reassurance. Their message was "very soon, the wicked will be punished and you will be rewarded for your faith...so hang in there and don't give up."

Yes, often the Biblical descriptions are rife with death and destruction for the wicked, but much of that is done for the purpose of making a political statement and the reassurance that "those who are persecuting us now are going to get what is coming to them". In the end, God wins and the world is reborn very much like the descriptions of Eden; think of how New Jerusalem is described in Revelation.

So can both theists and atheists PLEASE give the "end of the world" crap a rest. That's not what the Bible is talking about.

What I find the most interesting about this is someday some religious group's prediction about the impending end will be correct. But by then no one'll listen because of millenia of false prophet predictions.

Go to Vegas and play roulette. Put $100 on 22 every spin. Eventually you will hit, but how much money will you have spent? Do the odds say you be ahead or behind?

Theoretically, that depends on the payout and odds of winning.


The equation is : W-100*N, where W is the the jackpot, N the number times you played. The calculated N is taken as the average number of trials needed. Here, N= 1/p where p is the probability of winning.(The distribution is Geometric)

Example: If there are 25 choices, p= 1/25 , N= 25, Then W > 2500 for you to come out ahead--theoretically!

In actuality, the table may be rigged so that you lose your shirt!