Let us compare the 2000, 2016 and 2020 election reactions

[Indeependent]

You DO know that an opinion can not by definition be a lie… correct?

I do know that everyone has an opinion, which is, in most cases, less than worthless.
I tell neo-Cons the same thing.
I presume you are in the school of a baseless opinion repeated often enough is the truth.
That makes you an idiot.

 

[Penelope]

But that’s not how the election is won. Is it that hard to understand that the rules of the “game” might dictate how the participants play the game? It’s like a baseball team complaining that they got the most hits but lost the game. Or a football team who gained the most yards or got the most 1st downs but complaining about losing the game. You’re using a metric for victory that doesn’t equate to victory according to the rules of the game.

Conservatives basically concede some states (and the large number of popular votes in them) because they think they have little chance of winning the EC votes associated with them. The thinking being why spend the time and resources to get peoples votes who won’t equate to EC votes. If the election were a popular vote that strategy would have to change and the vote totals would likely change as well. That might or might not equate to a change in the election results.

What you can’t do is use your own metric for victory and claim your candidate of choice would win if only we used your metric after the fact.

Bush won Florida by less than 580 votes. I know it goes by EC vote, but it should go by maj vote.

 

[HappyJoy]

There was a lot of chatter about it, Kerry was gracious about his defeat which also helped but there was quite a bit of crying over it from the left and I am sure many Democrats believe the election was stolen. Conspiracy theories are easier to take than losing.

Yeah, let me say it again. There is no comparison from 2004 to 2020. Just comparing Kerry's speech from the day after the election to Trump in September 2021, 10 months later is all you need to know.

 

[Indeependent]

Yeah, let me say it again. There is no comparison from 2004 to 2020. Just comparing Kerry's speech from the day after the election to Trump in September 2021, 10 months later is all you need to know.

Kerry was, and still is, a pos.

 

[basquebromance]

In 2021, we’re going to tell Joe Biden that it’s 2024 and he can go home to Delaware

 

[Penelope]

In 2021, we’re going to tell Joe Biden that it’s 2024 and he can go home to Delaware

I really doubt he plans on running.

 

[HappyJoy]

Kerry was, and still is, a pos.

You seem to be trolling for some kind of response. Are you getting what you want?

 

[Couchpotato]

Bush won Florida by 580 votes. I know it goes by EC vote, but it should go by maj vote.

But it doesn't and that's the point.

You don't get to change the rules after the fact and claim you won or should have won the game based on those rule changes.

The manner in which a person plays a game is critically contingent on the rules for winning said game. If you won Presidential elections via popular vote the strategy employed to win those elections would be vastly different than it is based on the EC model. It would make sense for Republicans to fight for every vote in CA and NY, unlike now because while they might not win the majority of the votes in the state those votes go toward winning the overall national election. It would also likely change who and how many people voted. Is there any doubt that a significant number of conservatives don't vote in CA because they figure it doesn't matter? And I'm sure that can be said of more liberal voters in other states that typically lean Republican.

Democracies have notoriously not survived long and have committed some horrible acts. The whole 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner analogy. That is one of the reasons we are a republic and not a democracy and for the EC. The only body of our government that was originally voted on by popular vote was the HoR. Senators were originally chosen by the state legislatures, and were much easier to recall and far more accountable to the population than they are currently IMO.

 

[Lastamender]

He ran twice but all it takes is once. I'm not the one scrambling to find unique definitions for the word 'politician'.

Politicians are around for 50 years, like your braindead illegitimate president. You think an incumbent can be called anything else?Trump does not qualify and does not belong to that club. Period.

 

[Penelope]

But it doesn't and that's the point.

You don't get to change the rules after the fact and claim you won or should have won the game based on those rule changes.

The manner in which a person plays a game is critically contingent on the rules for winning said game. If you won Presidential elections via popular vote the strategy employed to win those elections would be vastly different than it is based on the EC model. It would make sense for Republicans to fight for every vote in CA and NY, unlike now because while they might not win the majority of the votes in the state those votes go toward winning the overall national election. It would also likely change who and how many people voted. Is there any doubt that a significant number of conservatives don't vote in CA because they figure it doesn't matter? And I'm sure that can be said of more liberal voters in other states that typically lean Republican.

Democracies have notoriously not survived long and have committed some horrible acts. The whole 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner analogy. That is one of the reasons we are a republic and not a democracy and for the EC. The only body of our government that was originally voted on by popular vote was the HoR. Senators were originally chosen by the state legislatures, and were much easier to recall and far more accountable to the population than they are currently IMO.

Most and all state vote the maj except 2 states, and the senate and reps do in each state and the Federal Gov does, and the supreme court does so why do we use the EC.

 

[Couchpotato]

Most and all state vote the maj except 2 states, and the senate and reps do in each state and the Federal Gov does, and the supreme court does so why do we use the EC.

Because thats how the Constitution was written?

 

[HappyJoy]

Politicians are around for 50 years, like your braindead illegitimate president. You think an incumbent can be called anything else?Trump does not qualify and does not belong to that club. Period.

So, to be a politician you have to have been in office for 50 years? That would eliminate most politicians. The weird mental gymnastics you guys go through to not call a spade a space is astounding. Bravo, the way you guys trip through life.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Oh how soon they forget what they said and did.
The Democrats say that Al Gore really won the 2000 election.
They said that Bush stole the election.
They said that the Supreme Court appointed Bush.
They were never called "extremists" or "foul souls"
Does Bush consider himself to be an extremist with a foul soul because he contested the 2000 election results?
Democrats protested inside the capital and tried to block Bush's certification.
Then we had the 2016 election.
Hillary called for "resistance".
Pelosi said that the election was "hijacked".
.There were nation wide violent far left extremist riots.
But the people who have legitimate doubts about the 2020 elections because of the mass voter fraud and ballot rigging are being compared to the Genocidal Islamic Terrorists who murdered 3000 people.

Over Some Objections, Congress Certifies Electoral Vote ...​

Jan 07, 2001 · As Florida's 25 electoral votes were accepted, about a dozen black House members paraded out of the chamber in protest, to the applause of some Democrats.

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Jan 07, 2001 · Yesterday, for nearly 20 minutes in the cavernous House chamber, a dozen members of the Congressional Black Caucus, joined by a few sympathizers, tried in vain to block the counting of Florida's 25...

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In 2000 all the major news media rushed to Florida and immediately set up shop and covered the farce everyday giving it legitimacy. They covered Russian collusion for Three years. Barely a mention in 2016.

 

[Lastamender]

So, to be a politician you have to have been in office for 50 years? That would eliminate most politicians. The weird mental gymnastics you guys go through to not call a spade a space is astounding. Bravo, the way you guys trip through life.

Reread the post. Did you see incumbent? They are in politicians after two years in Congress.

 

[HappyJoy]

Reread the post. Did you see incumbent? They are in politicians after two years in Congress.

Incumbent just means the politician currently in office, you know like Trump when he ran for reelection.

Did you hit China yet?

 

[Lastamender]

Incumbent just means the politician currently in office, you know like Trump when he ran for reelection.

Did you hit China yet?

You were referring to him as a politician. He was NOT a politician befiore taking office. And will never be the most corrupt politician by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Orangecat]

The democrat won the maj vote all times.

The only "maj" vote that counts is in the electoral college, and the dims did not win that every time.
You need a remedial civics course if you think otherwise.
The dims do win the "vaj" vote every time, though, because they are the party of spineless pussies.

 

[HappyJoy]

You were referring to him as a politician. He was NOT a politician befiore taking office. And will never be the most corrupt politician by any stretch of the imagination.

Are you going to cry or something? You know, you shouldn't get so emotionally involved with the politicians you support.

 

[HappyJoy]

The only "maj" vote that counts is in the electoral college, and the dims did not win that every time.
You need a remedial civics course if you think otherwise.
The dims do win the "vaj" vote every time, though, because they are the party of spineless pussies.

Oh yes, tell us how the electoral college vote mattered in 2020.

 

[Orangecat]

Oh yes, tell us how the electoral college vote mattered in 2020.

You don't know? Why are you even trying to participate on a political board when you're that ignorant? Are you going to cry or something?