Let us compare the 2000, 2016 and 2020 election reactions

[sealybobo]

Todays Democrats ARE Marxists, idiot.

Marxism posits that the struggle between social classes—specifically between the bourgeoisie, or capitalists, and the proletariat, or workers—defines economic relations in a capitalist economy and will inevitably lead to revolutionary communism.

If this is accurate, you are wrong about us.

Yes a lot of young people today who tend to lean left are more open than ever to socialism. That is true. Because they see your Capitalism sucks. Not good for blue collar. Making it a lot harder to go to college and become white collar. Monopolies crushing small business'. Inflation. Minimum wage is not a livable wage. Can't afford healthcare. Raising the age of retirement or talking about ending/cutting our social security and medicare altogether.

Yes, young people think universal healthcare is a great idea.

They aren't as anti government as you unregulated free market capitalists.

 

[sealybobo]

Still no proof I see, no fraud in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020. Let me know when you get credible evidence.

Here is one of the many ways Trump tried to steal 2020.

new detail showing how Trump and his team tried to persuade Pence to subvert the Constitution and throw out the election results on January 6.

The effort to sway Pence was just one of several behind-the-scenes attempts that Trump’s team undertook ahead of January 6 in a desperate bid to overturn the 2020 election loss, after dozens of lawsuits were thrown out of the courts.

The Eastman memo laid out a six-step plan for Pence to overturn the election for Trump, which included throwing out the results in seven states because they allegedly had competing electors. In fact, no state had actually put forward an alternate slate of electors – there were merely Trump allies claiming without any authority to be electors.

Under Eastman’s scheme, Pence would have declared Trump the winner with more Electoral College votes after the seven states were thrown out, at 232 votes to 222. Anticipating “howls” from Democrats protesting the overturning of the election, the memo proposes, Pence would instead say that no candidate had reached 270 votes in the Electoral College. That would throw the election to the House of Representatives, where each state would get one vote. Since Republicans controlled 26 state delegations, a majority could vote for Trump to win the election.

The plan was first proposed to Pence when Eastman was with Trump in the Oval Office on January 4, during one of Trump’s attempts to convince Pence that he had the authority to stop the certification of the election.

“You really need to listen to John. He’s a respected constitutional scholar. Hear him out,” Trump said to Pence at that meeting, Woodward and Costa write in “Peril.”

In the memo, Eastman went so far as to suggest Pence should take action without warning.

“The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court,” Eastman wrote. “The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind.”

In the end, Pence didn’t go along with Eastman’s scheme, concluding that the Constitution did not give him any power beyond counting the Electoral College votes. He did his own consultations before January 6, according to the book, reaching out to former Vice President Dan Quayle and the Senate parliamentarian, who were both clear in telling him he had no authority beyond counting the votes.

When Pence refused to intervene, Trump turned on his vice president, attacking him on Twitter even as the insurrection at the Capitol was unfolding on January 6.

“It shows intent, a sophisticated plan, a blueprint to illegally and unconstitutionally overturn and steal the election” by Trump and his team based on false and misleading information and legal arguments, a source familiar with the investigation told CNN.

 

[Papageorgio]

Here is one of the many ways Trump tried to steal 2020.

new detail showing how Trump and his team tried to persuade Pence to subvert the Constitution and throw out the election results on January 6.

The effort to sway Pence was just one of several behind-the-scenes attempts that Trump’s team undertook ahead of January 6 in a desperate bid to overturn the 2020 election loss, after dozens of lawsuits were thrown out of the courts.

The Eastman memo laid out a six-step plan for Pence to overturn the election for Trump, which included throwing out the results in seven states because they allegedly had competing electors. In fact, no state had actually put forward an alternate slate of electors – there were merely Trump allies claiming without any authority to be electors.

Under Eastman’s scheme, Pence would have declared Trump the winner with more Electoral College votes after the seven states were thrown out, at 232 votes to 222. Anticipating “howls” from Democrats protesting the overturning of the election, the memo proposes, Pence would instead say that no candidate had reached 270 votes in the Electoral College. That would throw the election to the House of Representatives, where each state would get one vote. Since Republicans controlled 26 state delegations, a majority could vote for Trump to win the election.

The plan was first proposed to Pence when Eastman was with Trump in the Oval Office on January 4, during one of Trump’s attempts to convince Pence that he had the authority to stop the certification of the election.

“You really need to listen to John. He’s a respected constitutional scholar. Hear him out,” Trump said to Pence at that meeting, Woodward and Costa write in “Peril.”

In the memo, Eastman went so far as to suggest Pence should take action without warning.

“The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court,” Eastman wrote. “The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind.”

In the end, Pence didn’t go along with Eastman’s scheme, concluding that the Constitution did not give him any power beyond counting the Electoral College votes. He did his own consultations before January 6, according to the book, reaching out to former Vice President Dan Quayle and the Senate parliamentarian, who were both clear in telling him he had no authority beyond counting the votes.

When Pence refused to intervene, Trump turned on his vice president, attacking him on Twitter even as the insurrection at the Capitol was unfolding on January 6.

“It shows intent, a sophisticated plan, a blueprint to illegally and unconstitutionally overturn and steal the election” by Trump and his team based on false and misleading information and legal arguments, a source familiar with the investigation told CNN.

No voter fraud, thanks for agreeing.

 

[DGS49]

I agree. No provable voter fraud. It was planned that way.

But with the Pandemic now history, why can't "we" go back to the rules of 2016? Vote at the polls on Election Day or by Absentee Ballot. What could be simpler than that? We would know who won by Wednesday morning, guaranteed.

Ask yourself why we can't go back. The answer is obvious: Because Democrats were able to steal one election and want to keep open the promise of stealing others in the future. Seriously, why do the Pandemic rules still apply? No more mail-in. No more ballot boxes spread around creation. No more Pandemic.

Rational response anyone?

I won't hold my breath.

 

[sealybobo]

No voter fraud, thanks for agreeing.

Agreed. It was much worse. Trump, Rudy, Roger stone, Sydney Powell, Lindsey graham attempted election fraud. Proud boys, oath keepers, and now these people are on the ballot up and down.

Hershel walker proves it doesn’t matter if biden has dimensia. Do you want republicans or democrats running the country?

 

[Papageorgio]

Agreed. It was much worse. Trump, Rudy, Roger stone, Sydney Powell, Lindsey graham attempted election fraud. Proud boys, oath keepers, and now these people are on the ballot up and down.

Hershel walker proves it doesn’t matter if biden has dimensia. Do you want republicans or democrats running the country?

There was no fraud, you have failed over and over and the election was never, ever in jeopardy of being over turned, no a chance in hell. I want a Democratic President and a Republican Congress to offset each other, history has proven this is the best combination.

 

[sealybobo]

There was no fraud, you have failed over and over and the election was never, ever in jeopardy of being over turned, no a chance in hell. I want a Democratic President and a Republican Congress to offset each other, history has proven this is the best combination.

Now Biden will be impeached over bullshit. Republicans will play politics.

I'd be okay with giving the GOP control of the House or Senate. Not both. That's when things are best.