Let me be the first conservative to say, this golden dome missile system is a bunch of happy horse pucky

[Rigby5]

It worked perfectly.

Sure it worked, but was pointless since you only need an ABM system if you intend to launch first.

 

[Rigby5]

Yeah, but they deal with Arabs who can't hit the broad side of a barn.

We're dealing with China (and possibly Russia).

Our best hope at this point is that their missiles fall apart just like their apartments

No, our best hope is that they won't launch as long as we don't launch first.

 

[Rigby5]

Um, Reagan’s SDI is what we know call the Iron Dome in Israel. Every anti missile ordinance we have is a result of that initiative.

No, SDI was nuclear Sprint Anti Ballistic Missiles.
Iron Dome is tiny, short range, anti ballistic mortar shell system.

And Golden Dome is not like either.
It intends to be constantly orbiting in space ahead of time.

 

[Rigby5]

It's not ICBM's we have to worry about, it's supersonic drone swarms.

Drone swarms are only useful for smaller and lighter objects, not nuclear weapons.

 

[Rigby5]

We have antimissile systems currently, and those 12,000 fusion bombs are kind of a thing.

Our current system is ground based, and Trump was a space based system, which is illegal.

 

[Rigby5]

BS the Iron Dome has about a 90% success rate. It's easily Googled so stop lying

If you read carefully, they have to launch 3 missiles in order to get that 90% success rate.
So really each individual Iron Dome launch only has about a 30% success rate.

But the point is that is the incoming is not just coasting and can maneuver, failure to intercept becomes pretty much assured.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

If you read carefully, they have to launch 3 missiles in order to get that 90% success rate.
So really each individual Iron Dome launch only has about a 30% success rate.

But the point is that is the incoming is not just coasting and can maneuver, failure to intercept becomes pretty much assured.

Oh BS. You're trying to come across as some expert and you look ridiculous

Dry up, nobody is buying it

 

[Rigby5]

Or if someone else launched.

What is supposed to prevent anyone from launching first is Mutually Assured Destruction.
So you don't want an ABM system, unless you want to launch first.
No matter who wants to launch, no one wants to start it as long as there would be terrible retaliation.
So there is no point in an ABM system.
That is why it was negotiated away.

 

[theHawk]

maga isn't this. Spend that on infrastructure

Trump says ‘Star Wars-like’ $175 billion Golden Dome missile defence will be ready by 2029

US President Donald Trump has unveiled fresh details about the “Golden Dome,” a planned $175 billion missile defence system. Speaking from the Oval Office, Trump said the system—combining space and ground defences—will be operational by the end of his second term. Overseen by General Michael...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Trump says ‘Star Wars-like’ $175 billion Golden Dome missile defence will be ready by 2029

Read more at:
Trump says ‘Star Wars-like’ $175 billion Golden Dome missile defence will be ready by 2029

It’s really just to appease the neocon warmongers at bay.

 

[Rigby5]

Oh BS. You're trying to come across as some expert and you look ridiculous

Dry up, nobody is buying it

Wrong.
Iron Dome is a hoax.
It is shooting at home made ballistic mortar shells with no guidance system at all.
Any real threat, like incoming nukes, are going to have maneuvering thrusters and control surfaces that can drastically change trajectory.
Iron Dome cannot compensate at all for any maneuvering by the incoming.

Iron Dome is a failure:
{...
From 2004 to 2014, these attacks have killed 27 Israeli civilians, 5 foreign nationals, 5 IDF soldiers, and injured more than 1,900 people.
...}
And that is essentially unguided mortar shells.
Any real incoming would have guidance and maneuvering capabilities.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Our current system is ground based, and Trump was a space based system, which is illegal.

It is not illegal

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What is supposed to prevent anyone from launching first is Mutually Assured Destruction.
So you don't want an ABM system, unless you want to launch first.
No matter who wants to launch, no one wants to start it as long as there would be terrible retaliation.
So there is no point in an ABM system.
That is why it was negotiated away.

If Iran launches 2 ICBMs at us, we shouldn't be able to defend our cities, we
should just be satisfied with annihilating Iran?

So there is no point in an ABM system.

There would be a point for the 2 cities targeted by Iran.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wrong.
Iron Dome is a hoax.
It is shooting at home made ballistic mortar shells with no guidance system at all.
Any real threat, like incoming nukes, are going to have maneuvering thrusters and control surfaces that can drastically change trajectory.
Iron Dome cannot compensate at all for any maneuvering by the incoming.

Iron Dome is a failure:
{...
From 2004 to 2014, these attacks have killed 27 Israeli civilians, 5 foreign nationals, 5 IDF soldiers, and injured more than 1,900 people.
...}
And that is essentially unguided mortar shells.
Any real incoming would have guidance and maneuvering capabilities.

Any real threat, like incoming nukes, are going to have maneuvering thrusters and control surfaces that can drastically change trajectory.

Do incoming warheads have a lot of maneuverability in your world?

 

[airplanemechanic]

Iron Dome is ground based.
Golden Dome is totally unlike Iron Dome in that it is proposed that the anti-missile system would be launched into space ahead of time.
We already had a ground based ABM system with nuclear Sprint missiles.

And Iron Dome is very unsuccessful.
It only stops about half of the ballistic missiles and mortar shells.
It could not stop anything with thrust, wings, or movable navigation systems.

Golden Dome not only would be illegal since it would put weapons into space, but would be very foolish because what goes up must come down.

Dude you're full of shit. Iron dome is over 90% successful at interceptions.

 

[airplanemechanic]

If Iran launches 2 ICBMs at us, we shouldn't be able to defend our cities, we
should just be satisfied with annihilating Iran?

So there is no point in an ABM system.

There would be a point for the 2 cities targeted by Iran.

Iran wouldn't launch 2, Russia or China would launch 50.

 

[Independent thinker]

maga isn't this. Spend that on infrastructure

Trump says ‘Star Wars-like’ $175 billion Golden Dome missile defence will be ready by 2029

US President Donald Trump has unveiled fresh details about the “Golden Dome,” a planned $175 billion missile defence system. Speaking from the Oval Office, Trump said the system—combining space and ground defences—will be operational by the end of his second term. Overseen by General Michael...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Trump says ‘Star Wars-like’ $175 billion Golden Dome missile defence will be ready by 2029

Read more at:
Trump says ‘Star Wars-like’ $175 billion Golden Dome missile defence will be ready by 2029

I disagree. We have to think about the future and the future means we have to protect ourselves from incoming nukes from several different directions. We are fools if we don't protect ourselves. Peace through strength.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I disagree. We have to think about the future and the future means we have to protect ourselves from incoming nukes from several different directions. We are fools if we don't protect ourselves. Peace through strength.

Currently we have THAAD, Aegis cruisers, and lots and lots of nukes. We are also building hypersonics of our own, well, the slower kind not the MIRV fusion bomb tipped kind we already have.

 

[Foxfyre]

I can understand your viewpoint .. but the system may not be as complex and difficult to implement as many may think . it could be something like what Israel has .. a missile defense system where defenses are strategically placed every few hundred miles on the coast.. remember we are half a world away from the enemies that Israels Iron Dome system defends against .. we would have ample warning if missiles were launched .. so yes an Iron Dome for the US to protect against long and short range missile attacks is very plausible ..

Reagan also got a LOT of pushback on his proposed SDI system that some said was implausible because we didn't have the technology and others said was too expensive. He was especially criticized when he suggested that once we had it, we give the technology to everybody that would once and for all render nuclear war moot.

That last part was not plausible given capability of bombers and nuclear submarines to launch nuclear missiles but it would put the missile silos out of business.

But do not underestimate human capability to do what humankind is determined to do. Israel's 'Iron dome' has indeed served them well and saved countless lives. Obviously we do have the technology now to do it. Israel however is roughly the size of New Mexico's largest county. So a U.S. project would be far more daunting than protecting Israel.

Maybe we need the money elsewhere more or need not to spend it at all more--that indeed is a valid debate to have--but national security/defense is the sworn constitutional responsibility of the President of the United States.

If our elected representatives authorize the expenditure, I won't fault President Trump for signing the legislation.

Some history on the previous project:

Why Reagan's 'Star Wars' Defense Plan Stayed Science Fiction

Critics called the Strategic Defense Initiative far-fetched.

www.history.com

 

[sartre play]

WHY are we talking about US being involved in a war?

 

[Billiejeens]

I laughed at his proposal. Both RR and GWB looked at doing something just like this, and it never came to fruition because the tech wasn't there. I see no reason it would be feasible now.

Israel has a version.

We aren't capable?