Zone1 Let it be said that legalized abortion on demand cheapens/ devalues life.

[JoeB131]

Projection.

Hardly, I point out the reality.

If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, she'll find a way to not be pregnant.

And unless you are willing to imprison women for having abortions, they are going to have them.

 

[JoeB131]

Someone needs to read more closely.

Guy, you are being obtuse.

Assuming you ever get your wet dream of a Nationwide abortion ban, how do you plan to enforce it?

Especially with HIPAA being a thing.

What you want is a meaningless law that cops won't investigate, prosecutors won't prosecute, and juries won't convict on.

if I ever found myself on an abortion jury, I wouldn't care if you had video of the provider tossing little globby cross the room into the Medical Waste Container and yelling, "Three points!!!" I'm voting to acquit. So will most people.

 

[Chuz Life]

if I ever found myself on an abortion jury, I wouldn't care if you had video of the provider tossing little globby cross the room into the Medical Waste Container and yelling, "Three points!!!" I'm voting to acquit. So will most people.

See?

This is another post that I would like to poll others on. (without starting another thread)

 

[XponentialChaos]

See?

This is another post that I would like to poll others on. (without starting another thread)

This message board leans right. It’s not a good representation for what most people think.

 

[JoeB131]

See?

This is another post that I would like to poll others on. (without starting another thread)

Given this board is about 90% rightwingers, I'm not sure what that poll would mean, exactly.

Do you need validation?

If you got out into the real world and talked to real women, you'd probably realize how foolish your position sounds. Particularly ones of child-bearing age who are trying to balance starting a career, relationships, and sex.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

If you have to go whining to the mods because you are losing an argument, there's not much point talking to you.

Oh the irony...You ever "go whining to the mods" and/or report anyone you were in an argument with JoeBob?

 

[Unkotare]

Given this board is about 90% rightwingers, I'm not sure what that poll would mean, exactly.

Do you need validation?

If you got out into the real world and talked to real women, you'd probably realize how foolish your position sounds. Particularly ones of child-bearing age who are trying to balance starting a career, relationships, and sex.

As far as we know, you have only ever spoken to one woman in your life. Don’t try to come off as an expert.

 

[Chuz Life]

Given this board is about 90% rightwingers, I'm not sure what that poll would mean, exactly.

Do you need validation?

If you got out into the real world and talked to real women, you'd probably realize how foolish your position sounds. Particularly ones of child-bearing age who are trying to balance starting a career, relationships, and sex.

Like I don't live in a real world with a large family, more than half women, married to a woman, have a daughter, worked in a factory which was more than half women, etc.

You are projecting again, Joe and more importantly, this is not about either of us personally.

Children are entitled to the equal protection of our laws from the moment their life begins.

That should be a common goal.

 

[JoeB131]

Like I don't live in a real world with a large family, more than half women, married to a woman, have a daughter, worked in a factory which was more than half women, etc.

You are projecting again, Joe and more importantly, this is not about either of us personally.

Children are entitled to the equal protection of our laws from the moment their life begins.

That should be a common goal.

absolutely, I'm for equal protection of all newborns.

Just not globs of tissue.

 

[Unkotare]

absolutely, I'm for equal protection of all newborns.

Just not globs of tissue.

Glob of Tissue says what?

 

[JoeB131]

Glob of Tissue says what?

I don't know, I've never seen you contribute to a conversation.

 

[Unkotare]

I don't know, I've never seen you contribute to a conversation.

Ready to compare threads started yet, big mouth glob? No? Still no spine? Someday you might develop one. Your finger nails won't.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

Chuz Life Can you really say all life is equal though?

 

[Chuz Life]

Chuz Life Can you really say all life is equal though?

That depends on what respect you are talking about. I don't make the claim that "all life is equal." I make the claim (that the Constitution does) that all persons are entitled to the "equal protection" of our laws.

Is that what you are questioning?

 

[ding]

That depends on what respect you are talking about. I don't make the claim that "all life is equal." I make the claim (that the Constitution does) that all persons are entitled to the "equal protection" of our laws.

Is that what you are questioning?

Arguing abortion should be a homicide is a misapplication of the 14th amendment. Rights were being withheld. That’s why the 14th was written It has nothing to do with punishment of crimes.

The U.S. Constitution addresses equal protection through the Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection Clause, which states that no state shall "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws". This clause requires that similarly situated individuals receive similar treatment under the law, though courts determine the permissibility of government actions that treat people differently using various levels of scrutiny, such as strict scrutiny and the rational basis test.

 

[Chuz Life]

Arguing abortion should be a homicide is a misapplication of the 14th amendment. Rights were being withheld. That’s why the 14th was written It has nothing to do with punishment of crimes.

The U.S. Constitution addresses equal protection through the Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection Clause, which states that no state shall "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws". This clause requires that similarly situated individuals receive similar treatment under the law, though courts determine the permissibility of government actions that treat people differently using various levels of scrutiny, such as strict scrutiny and the rational basis test.

Your claim, versus what the justices of the Supreme Court said about the applicability of the 14th Amendment.



I'm going with the SCOTUS's take on this one.

 

[ding]

Your claim, versus what the justices of the Supreme Court said about the applicability of the 14th Amendment.



I going with the SCOTUS's take on this one.

Equal protection of rights does not mean equal punishment of crimes. If it did there would be no plea bargains.

 

[Chuz Life]

Equal protection of rights does not mean equal punishment of crimes. If it did there would be no plea bargains.

There you go again on the punishment projection.

I'll leave you to argue with yourself as that (punishment) is not my priority. No matter how much you think you need to convince others that it is.

Just as the SCOTUS anticipated in Roe.

It's about equal protection.

 

[ding]

There you go again on the punishment projection.

I'll leave you to argue with yourself as that (punishment) is not my priority. No matter how much you think you need to convince others that it is.

Just as the SCOTUS anticipated in Roe.

It's about equal protection.

You were the one who argued it had to be a homicide because of equal protection, right?

 

[JoeB131]

There you go again on the punishment projection.

I'll leave you to argue with yourself as that (punishment) is not my priority. No matter how much you think you need to convince others that it is.

Just as the SCOTUS anticipated in Roe.

It's about equal protection.

But here's the problem: unless you have a meaningful level of punishment, any law is worse than useless.

Take Prostitution. In Illinois, it's a Class A misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of up to $ 2,500 or less than a year in prison. Very few people go to jail for it. Most pay the fine and are done with it. (There are aggrevating factors that make it worse, like doing it near a school or involving underaged people).

Unless the hooker is making a nuisance of herself and is out where people can see her, the police don't bother, which is why so many escort services, massage parlors, strip clubs, etc. act with impunity.

Most of the dangers of prostitution are, in fact, linked to its illegality. Got raped by a john? Not going to the cops. Got beaten up by your pimp who took all your money? Still not going to the cops.

Now, let's say you get your wet dream and get a national abortion ban.

Are you really going to send a woman to prison for life because she had an abortion in the first trimester, because she was too poor to have a baby, and couldn't afford health care?