Zone1 Let it be said that legalized abortion on demand cheapens/ devalues life.

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I don’t see how abortion doesn’t devalue human life. Unless of course one tries to define the rule by exception.

 

[Mr Natural]

What about war?

War devalues human life.

 

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What about war?

War devalues human life.

To a certain extent, yes. Which is probably why some people have a problem with it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You have yet to post any links to support any of your claims.

I have supported all of my own with numerous references, and all you can do is whine about it. That and attack AI for exposing your weak exaggerations about the legal prospects.

Putting you on ignore now because it's obvious that you don't "care" about anything more than derailing this thread.

Good luck with that! I will still be here to expose your ignorance.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Those states are now suing abortion legal states to impose their views

They cannot do that without the federal courts getting involved, and they cannot.

 

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Stop using AI BS!

That federal action is a Constitutional Amendment.

Not necessarily. They could write a law making abortion a misdemeanor and end all of this nonsense.

 

[Chuz Life]

A reminder: this is the Clean Debate zone. Personal insults are verbotten.

Spelling and Grammar errors are still okay, though.

I hope.

 

[Chuz Life]

Those states are now suing abortion legal states to impose their views

Suing to "impose their views."

Not suing for justice or to keep their laws from being circumvented and or nullified?

Your characterization (and choice of words) here is very revealing.

 

[Chuz Life]

What about war?

War devalues human life.

It depends on the war or a particular battle. Doesn't it?

There certainly are crimes against humanity that take place in war, and there is a lot of killings that also take place in War - to defend lives, to free prisoners, and to eliminate concentration camps, etc.

When I apply that observation to abortion and to the OP, I have to say that not all abortions "cheapen/ devalue life." Some are clearly performed to save the mother's life.

It is the abortions where society doesn't even admit or acknowledge the human lives that are taken (like the fascists do in war.) The vast majority devalues life.

 

[Chuz Life]

Except the Courts have never ruled that fetuses are people in relation to abortion.

We don't count fetuses on the Census.

We don't let people deduct their fetuses as dependents.

Fetuses aren't legally people.

But this is all "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" bullshit.

The real problem you have is that if a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, she'll figure out a way to not be pregnant

So you would either have to have a dystopian police state like the Fictional Gilead.

Or you will have a law on the books that no one obeys and everyone ignores. (Which is pretty much what you had before Roe, which is why SCOTUS struck those laws down.)

You help illustrate the point and reason for the OP, Joe.

All your denials and dismissiveness about the real human lives that are taken with and by abortions on demand.

It amounts to a devaluation. A lot of people are increasingly desensitized by it.

You don't see it.

You refuse to see it.

But it's still there.

 

[Chuz Life]

I don’t see how abortion doesn’t devalue human life. Unless of course one tries to define the rule by exception.

I think I know, but please explain or give an example of what you mean by "rule of exception."

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Not necessarily. They could write a law making abortion a misdemeanor and end all of this nonsense.

There are few federal laws that are misdemeanors.

 

[Zincwarrior]

They cannot do that without the federal courts getting involved, and they cannot.

They are. Lets see what SCOTUS says. Before I was in agreement with you. Now SCOTUS bows to the whims of CHRISTMAGAs.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Suing to "impose their views."

Not suing for justice or to keep their laws from being circumvented and or nullified?

Your characterization (and choice of words) here is very revealing.

Yes, their views. Justice is as a moronic concept.

 

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I think I know, but please explain or give an example of what you mean by "rule of exception."

By arguing things like rape and the mother’s life being in danger to justify performing abortions done for selfish reasons.

 

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There are few federal laws that are misdemeanors.

So what? They can write whatever laws they want as long as they have the votes.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

They are. Lets see what SCOTUS says. Before I was in agreement with you. Now SCOTUS bows to the whims of CHRISTMAGAs.

Back to the dishes, Sink Worrier. Once again, you are out of your league. SCOTUS will say nothing because they have already said it. State issue. Not in the Constitution. Have a nice day!

 

[Chuz Life]

By arguing things like rape and the mother’s life being in danger to justify performing abortions done for selfish reasons.

I see.

Of course, the mother's life and rape are such a small minority of abortions. But, of course, some will still try to use that to dismiss the op.

 

[Chuz Life]

They are. Lets see what SCOTUS says. Before I was in agreement with you. Now SCOTUS bows to the whims of CHRISTMAGAs.

I won't challenge your insights on all things "moronic."

 

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I see.

Of course, the mother's life and rape are such a small minority of abortions. But, of course, some will still try to use that to dismiss the op.

Exactly. That’s trying to define the rule through exception.