Lesbian Couples Sues Government For Inability To Foster Refugee Child

[Bob Blaylock]

I'm thinking of consenting adults.

The child handed over to homosexual perverts is not a consenting adult.

 

[Coyote]

I'm thinking of consenting adults.

The child handed over to homosexual perverts is not a consenting adult.

I think you know what I meant.

You're far too obsessed with perverts. A child needs a good home and if that home is provided by a homosexual couple - so what?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

This is not about sick perverts. It's about normal, adult human beings wanting to give a child a home and a family.

That's the only side being taken here.

Homosexuals are not “normal, adult human beings”. Homosexuality is an abnormality, at the very least. It certainly is not the basis for a healthy environment in which to raise a child.

YOU! Are not a normal adult human being. For that matter, I doubt if you are, intellectually an adult, or a human being, and certainly NOT normal

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Breaking: The State of Georgia Faces Backlash on Similar Matter

Hollywood Stars, Producers Call For Georgia Boycott If Anti-LGBTQ Law Passes | HuffPost

Hollywood heavyweights have vowed to call for a boycott on filming in Georgia if a bill that would make it legal for child welfare organizations to stop same-sex parents from adopting on grounds of religious liberty becomes law.

Georgia’s Senate voted 35-19 in favor of Senate Bill 375, or the Keep Faith in Adoption and Foster Care Act, Feb. 23. Introduced by Sen. William Ligon (R), the legislation would permit taxpayer-funded adoption agencies and foster care providers to refuse referrals if they are deemed to violate “sincerely held religious beliefs.”

SB 375 now heads to Georgia’s House of Representatives for consideration.

Opponents, however, see SB 375 as little more than government-sanctioned discrimination targeting the LGBTQ community.

 

[Picaro]

I'm thinking of consenting adults.

The child handed over to homosexual perverts is not a consenting adult.

The child will grow up to be another drug addled neurotic with considerable sexual identity issues, which of course the desired results homosexuals like to induce in children. that's the whole point of brainwashing school children as well.

 

[Picaro]

This is not about sick perverts. It's about normal, adult human beings wanting to give a child a home and a family.

That's the only side being taken here.

Homosexuals are not “normal, adult human beings”. Homosexuality is an abnormality, at the very least. It certainly is not the basis for a healthy environment in which to raise a child.

YOU! Are not a normal adult human being. For that matter, I doubt if you are, intellectually an adult, or a human being, and certainly NOT normal

Lol Pervo-Pee makes funny.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The child handed over to homosexual perverts is not a consenting adult.

The child will grow up to be another drug addled neurotic with considerable sexual identity issues, which of course the desired results homosexuals like to induce in children. that's the whole point of brainwashing school children as well.

That may be a part of it, but it's not the whole point. I think the more direct point is rather obviously to groom children to be easier prey for child molesters.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The child handed over to homosexual perverts is not a consenting adult.

The child will grow up to be another drug addled neurotic with considerable sexual identity issues, which of course the desired results homosexuals like to induce in children. that's the whole point of brainwashing school children as well.

That may be a part of it, but it's not the whole point. I think the more direct point is rather obviously to groom children to be easier prey for child molesters.

 

[Picaro]

The child handed over to homosexual perverts is not a consenting adult.

The child will grow up to be another drug addled neurotic with considerable sexual identity issues, which of course the desired results homosexuals like to induce in children. that's the whole point of brainwashing school children as well.

That may be a part of it, but it's not the whole point. I think the more direct point is rather obviously to groom children to be easier prey for child molesters.

Yes, that too; the adopted children of homosexual child molesters report far more homosexual activity, even while the fake science runs around claiming it's supposed to be 'natural' and 'genetic' and all that other phony propaganda put out, and they have a lot of the latter; the problem with theirs is the 'studies' methodologies are bullshit, and/or the data doesn't back up their 'conclusions', or come from such biased sources as the APA and Williams Institute. No university these days is ever going to publish any paper that casts anything negative about homosexuality and the effects of thatmental illness.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

No university these days is ever going to publish any paper that casts anything negative about homosexuality and the effects of that mental illness.

It's the “Emperor's New CLothes” effect. People and institutions afraid, ashamed, and intimidated against telling the obvious truth, for fear of being adversely judged for doing so.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The child handed over to homosexual perverts is not a consenting adult.

The child will grow up to be another drug addled neurotic with considerable sexual identity issues, which of course the desired results homosexuals like to induce in children. that's the whole point of brainwashing school children as well.

That may be a part of it, but it's not the whole point. I think the more direct point is rather obviously to groom children to be easier prey for child molesters.

Yes, that too; the adopted children of homosexual child molesters report far more homosexual activity, even while the fake science runs around claiming it's supposed to be 'natural' and 'genetic' and all that other phony propaganda put out, and they have a lot of the latter; the problem with theirs is the 'studies' methodologies are bullshit, and/or the data doesn't back up their 'conclusions', or come from such biased sources as the APA and Williams Institute. No university these days is ever going to publish any paper that casts anything negative about homosexuality and the effects of thatmental illness.

I hope that you boys are enjoying your fuck fest while feeding like vultures off of your mutual bigotry, ignorance and delusions. Instead of just blathering senselessly about which you know little, perhaps one of you would like to share some documentation that purportedly shows that children in the care of gays are at risk. I don't doubt that you will come up with some bullshit from the Family Research Council or some other such hate group. You might also want to try to explain exactly how studies by the APA and The Williams Institute are flawed and biased as you contend.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I'm thinking of consenting adults.

The child handed over to homosexual perverts is not a consenting adult.

The child will grow up to be another drug addled neurotic with considerable sexual identity issues, which of course the desired results homosexuals like to induce in children. that's the whole point of brainwashing school children as well.

How did you grow up to be another drug addled neurotic with considerable sexual identity issues? Were you parents gay?

 

[Picaro]

I'm thinking of consenting adults.

The child handed over to homosexual perverts is not a consenting adult.

The child will grow up to be another drug addled neurotic with considerable sexual identity issues, which of course the desired results homosexuals like to induce in children. that's the whole point of brainwashing school children as well.

How did you grow up to be another drug addled neurotic with considerable sexual identity issues? Were you parents gay?

Oh look, Officer Pedo-Friendly plays the old 'reverse psychobabble' gimmick. why is this always their 2nd or 3rd response, proving they have zero genuine arguments? lol

 

[Picaro]

No university these days is ever going to publish any paper that casts anything negative about homosexuality and the effects of that mental illness.

It's the “Emperor's New CLothes” effect. People and institutions afraid, ashamed, and intimidated against telling the obvious truth, for fear of being adversely judged for doing so.

Also, once they learn people have started to actually read these fake 'studies' and see the idiotic methodologies and fake claims for themselves, they disappear behind pay walls, or nobody will actually ever link to the studies themselves, just the blurbs making fake claims about what they actually say. Then there is the Hawthorne Effect that comes into play when it becomes obvious they need new propaganda, and they make sure their 'subject' are clued in to what the politically correct answers are supposed to be. You can find out what the Hawthorne effect is easily, it's defined a lot of places.

 

[mudwhistle]

There is something rotten in Texas. There are Children in need of homes and these women are ready, willing and able to prove one, but are not being allowed to do so. They wanted care for an older children who are hard to place. In addition, of the women is an attorney with an expertise in immigration rights. .

PLEASE read to the end and if you choose to participate in the poll, please include an explanation for your answer

Lesbian couple sues feds for thwarting their chance to foster refugee children

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/health/lesbian-couple-sues-hhs/index.html

• A married lesbian couple from Texas is suing the federal government
• They say an agency, funded by taxpayers, prevented them from fostering refugee children
• Millions of dollars in federal grant money goes to Catholic organization that discriminates, lawyer says

Three years ago, as they wore long gowns and exchanged vows surrounded by people who love them, Fatma Marouf and Bryn Esplin imagined a growing family. But like so many couples who dream of having children, they keep hitting roadblocks.

They tried IVF treatments and had no luck. They would have liked to adopt domestically, but state-funded agencies in Texas, where they live, are free to exclude same-sex couples. They say they can't afford the tens of thousands of dollars it takes to adopt privately.

So early last year, they turned their attention to the idea of fostering refugee children. They were sure they had found their answer. They didn't get far, though, before they were proved wrong.

However...

During an informational phone call with the organization in charge, Catholic Charities of Fort Worth, they say, they were told that same-sex couples are ineligible to apply because they don't "mirror the Holy Family."

Let’s that sink in? To be worthy and competent parents you have to “mirror the holy family”. What is a family? Who decides? How many families that do not “mirror the holy family” and have children and are even allowed to adopt them? And, taxpayers take note, Catholic Charities accepts federal funding! And lets not forget the First Amendment, the part about “ Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion” They are also suing under the

Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the U.S Constitution by allowing USCCB to impose a religious test governing the provision of federal child welfare services.

What drives this case ?

​

At the heart of their legal complaint is the financial story behind Catholic Charities of Fort Worth. It is the only organization the couple and their lawyers know of in their area that places refugee children in homes, and it is supported by taxpayers. Its child welfare work is funded by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (known as USCCB), the plaintiffs' lawyer explains, which receives millions of dollars in grant money to help two federal government programs: one for unaccompanied refugee minors and the other for unaccompanied alien children. All that grant money is distributed by the Department of Health and Human Services through the Office of Refugee Resettlement -- which is why various government entities, including HHS, are named in the lawsuit along with the overarching Catholic organization, USCCB.

Using Catholic doctrine to dictate foster parent eligibility violates constitutional protections, said Jamie Gliksberg, a Lambda Legal staff attorney who is working on their case.

Here is more on Lambda Legal: Lambda Legal Sues HHS after Lesbian Couple Blocked from Serving as Foster Parents

Lambda Legal today filed a federal lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) on behalf of a couple who were denied the opportunity even to apply to serve as foster parents for refugee children by a USCCB affiliate because, they were told, they did not “mirror the Holy Family.”

HHS funds the program that turned away Fatma Marouf and Bryn Esplin, a married same-sex couple, exclusively with taxpayer money. HHS funded USCCB to perform federal child welfare services through its affiliates even though USCCB made clear that it would use the funds to deny such services to members of the public based on USCCB’s religious beliefs.

Being denied the opportunity to foster a child because we don’t “mirror the Holy Family’ – clearly code for being a same-sex couple – was hurtful and insulting to us. More than that, though, insisting on such a narrow, religious view of what a family must look like deprives these children of a nurturing, supportive home," said Esplin.

“Refugee children have been through enough trauma to last a lifetime," Marouf said. "They need love, stability, and support, which Bryn and I have in abundance. But in discriminating against us, the agency put their religious views of LGBT people above what is best for the kids in their care.”

“The federal government was on notice when it funded USCCB that this organization refuses to provide services to same-sex spouses at taxpayer expense,” Lambda Legal Senior Counsel Kenneth D. Upton said. “Our government should not be favoring certain religious beliefs over others—to the tune of millions of dollars—and turning people away from government services based on their failure to conform to the dictates of a particular religious belief."

Let’s keep this about the Constitution, the law, government funding and refugee children as opposed to Homosexuality and parenting. There has been far too much of that and it always turns into a shit storm

Is their LGBT status the only cause for rejection......or is it because the state feels they're a couple of assholes???

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Also, once they learn people have started to actually read these fake 'studies' and see the idiotic methodologies and fake claims for themselves, they disappear behind pay walls, or nobody will actually ever link to the studies themselves, just the blurbs making fake claims about what they actually say.

In a project launched last month, a team at Columbia Law School has collected on one website the abstracts of all peer-reviewed studies that have addressed this question since 1980 so that anyone can examine the research directly, and not rely on talking heads or potential groupthink. Even when we might not agree with a study’s conclusions—with how a researcher interpreted the data—we still included it if it went through peer review and was relevant to the topic at hand. Peer review, of course, isn’t perfect, but it’s one of the best ways the world has to ensure that research conclusions are at least the product of good-faith efforts to get at the truth.

The Columbia project is the largest collection of peer-reviewed scholarship on gay parenting to date. What does it show? We found 71 studies concluding that kids with gay parents fare no worse than others and only four concluding that they had problems. But those four studies all suffered from the same gross limitation: The children with gay parents were lumped in with children of family breakup, a cohort known to face higher risks linked to the trauma of family dissolution.


Even the notion that you try to put forth that there are no good studies is wrong...the studies, while not perfect do give us a very good idea on the conclusions and that is that gay homes are not better nor worse.

Here is a link to all the studies

http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topic HYPERLINK "http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/"s HYPERLINK "http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/"/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

 

[deanrd]

There is something rotten in Texas. There are Children in need of homes and these women are ready, willing and able to prove one, but are not being allowed to do so. They wanted care for an older children who are hard to place. In addition, of the women is an attorney with an expertise in immigration rights. .

PLEASE read to the end and if you choose to participate in the poll, please include an explanation for your answer

Lesbian couple sues feds for thwarting their chance to foster refugee children

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/health/lesbian-couple-sues-hhs/index.html

• A married lesbian couple from Texas is suing the federal government
• They say an agency, funded by taxpayers, prevented them from fostering refugee children
• Millions of dollars in federal grant money goes to Catholic organization that discriminates, lawyer says

Three years ago, as they wore long gowns and exchanged vows surrounded by people who love them, Fatma Marouf and Bryn Esplin imagined a growing family. But like so many couples who dream of having children, they keep hitting roadblocks.

They tried IVF treatments and had no luck. They would have liked to adopt domestically, but state-funded agencies in Texas, where they live, are free to exclude same-sex couples. They say they can't afford the tens of thousands of dollars it takes to adopt privately.

So early last year, they turned their attention to the idea of fostering refugee children. They were sure they had found their answer. They didn't get far, though, before they were proved wrong.

However...

During an informational phone call with the organization in charge, Catholic Charities of Fort Worth, they say, they were told that same-sex couples are ineligible to apply because they don't "mirror the Holy Family."

Let’s that sink in? To be worthy and competent parents you have to “mirror the holy family”. What is a family? Who decides? How many families that do not “mirror the holy family” and have children and are even allowed to adopt them? And, taxpayers take note, Catholic Charities accepts federal funding! And lets not forget the First Amendment, the part about “ Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion” They are also suing under the

Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the U.S Constitution by allowing USCCB to impose a religious test governing the provision of federal child welfare services.

What drives this case ?

​

At the heart of their legal complaint is the financial story behind Catholic Charities of Fort Worth. It is the only organization the couple and their lawyers know of in their area that places refugee children in homes, and it is supported by taxpayers. Its child welfare work is funded by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (known as USCCB), the plaintiffs' lawyer explains, which receives millions of dollars in grant money to help two federal government programs: one for unaccompanied refugee minors and the other for unaccompanied alien children. All that grant money is distributed by the Department of Health and Human Services through the Office of Refugee Resettlement -- which is why various government entities, including HHS, are named in the lawsuit along with the overarching Catholic organization, USCCB.

Using Catholic doctrine to dictate foster parent eligibility violates constitutional protections, said Jamie Gliksberg, a Lambda Legal staff attorney who is working on their case.

Here is more on Lambda Legal: Lambda Legal Sues HHS after Lesbian Couple Blocked from Serving as Foster Parents

Lambda Legal today filed a federal lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) on behalf of a couple who were denied the opportunity even to apply to serve as foster parents for refugee children by a USCCB affiliate because, they were told, they did not “mirror the Holy Family.”

HHS funds the program that turned away Fatma Marouf and Bryn Esplin, a married same-sex couple, exclusively with taxpayer money. HHS funded USCCB to perform federal child welfare services through its affiliates even though USCCB made clear that it would use the funds to deny such services to members of the public based on USCCB’s religious beliefs.

Being denied the opportunity to foster a child because we don’t “mirror the Holy Family’ – clearly code for being a same-sex couple – was hurtful and insulting to us. More than that, though, insisting on such a narrow, religious view of what a family must look like deprives these children of a nurturing, supportive home," said Esplin.

“Refugee children have been through enough trauma to last a lifetime," Marouf said. "They need love, stability, and support, which Bryn and I have in abundance. But in discriminating against us, the agency put their religious views of LGBT people above what is best for the kids in their care.”

“The federal government was on notice when it funded USCCB that this organization refuses to provide services to same-sex spouses at taxpayer expense,” Lambda Legal Senior Counsel Kenneth D. Upton said. “Our government should not be favoring certain religious beliefs over others—to the tune of millions of dollars—and turning people away from government services based on their failure to conform to the dictates of a particular religious belief."

Let’s keep this about the Constitution, the law, government funding and refugee children as opposed to Homosexuality and parenting. There has been far too much of that and it always turns into a shit storm

Gays have been number one on the GOP top ten of people they hate. It's been that way for years.

1. Gays
2. Muslims
3. Blacks
4. Hispanics
5. Liberals
6. Jews
7. Women's rights
8. Sick and disabled
9. College professors
10. Scientists

The others move around, some even drop off the list and are replaced, but the gays have stayed firmly at Number One.

Muslims, blacks, Hispanics and liberals nearly always round out the top five, but not necessarily in that order.

 

[Picaro]

Also, once they learn people have started to actually read these fake 'studies' and see the idiotic methodologies and fake claims for themselves, they disappear behind pay walls, or nobody will actually ever link to the studies themselves, just the blurbs making fake claims about what they actually say.

In a project launched last month, a team at Columbia Law School has collected on one website the abstracts of all peer-reviewed studies that have addressed this question since 1980 so that anyone can examine the research directly, and not rely on talking heads or potential groupthink. Even when we might not agree with a study’s conclusions—with how a researcher interpreted the data—we still included it if it went through peer review and was relevant to the topic at hand. Peer review, of course, isn’t perfect, but it’s one of the best ways the world has to ensure that research conclusions are at least the product of good-faith efforts to get at the truth.

The Columbia project is the largest collection of peer-reviewed scholarship on gay parenting to date. What does it show? We found 71 studies concluding that kids with gay parents fare no worse than others and only four concluding that they had problems. But those four studies all suffered from the same gross limitation: The children with gay parents were lumped in with children of family breakup, a cohort known to face higher risks linked to the trauma of family dissolution.


Even the notion that you try to put forth that there are no good studies is wrong...the studies, while not perfect do give us a very good idea on the conclusions and that is that gay homes are not better nor worse.

Here is a link to all the studies

http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topic HYPERLINK "http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/"s HYPERLINK "http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/"/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

lol so the whole list of fake studies and fake data is one place, so it's now 'official' or something? lol that's even more hilarious. And, still no links to the actual studies. ROFLMAO just links to abstracts, until I got tired of clicking on them, anyways. They hide behind pay walls, so the riff raff wont' discover their 'studies' are actually crap. We already know that.

 

[Picaro]

Now, for some reality checks on the fake science; they both come from links, too, which is all that is needed to establish proof right, links n stuff?

The Research on Same-Sex Parenting: “No Differences” No More

In its 2004 endorsement of what is commonly referred to as the “no differences” theory, the American Psychological Association (APA) declared that “there is no scientific evidence that parenting effectiveness is related to parental sexual orientation: lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children,” and “research has shown that the adjustment, development, and psychological well-being of children is unrelated to parental sexual orientation and that the children of lesbian and gay parents are as likely as those of heterosexual parents to flourish.”[1]

These conclusions have been cited in numerous amicus briefs filed in court cases, including Obergefell v. Hodges,[2] the marriage case scheduled to be argued before the Supreme Court on April 28, 2015. In recent years, however, this position has been contradicted by more rigorous studies indicating that children raised by parents in a same-sex relationship face greater emotional, developmental, and other difficulties than those raised by mothers and fathers, particularly by their married biological parents.

Flawed Early Studies Found No Differences
It is well understood in experimental design that the preferred method is to conduct (1) a blind experiment (2) on a representative sample (3) using a statistically powerful hypothesis test. Early studies of parents in a same-sex relationship were lacking in at least one of these three design criteria, and most such studies were lacking in all of them.[3]

First, the participants were aware that the purpose was to investigate same-sex parenting and may have biased their responses in order to produce the desired result.

Second, participants were recruited through networks of friends or through advocacy organizations, resulting in a sample of same-sex parents of higher socioeconomic status than is typical of parents in a same-sex relationship generally.

Third, on average, samples of fewer than 40 children of parents in a same-sex relationship virtually guaranteed findings of no statistically significant differences between groups.

While many individual authors acknowledged the difficulties of studying a group that is relatively rare and difficult to identify through typical survey methods, the APA nonetheless used these flawed studies as a whole to support the “no differences” theory.

Even the more enlightened sociopaths at Slate find these sudden surges of 'Homos Are Wonderful!!! fake studeis being publiched all at once, usually just in time for some propaganda campaign or other, elections, SCOTUS cirucuses, et al.

Does It Really Make No Difference If Your Parents Are Straight or Gay?

And, the main reason these outfits like the APA never have a study that contradicts the Official PC Line is they have the same policy the HY Times and most other MSM media outlets, have, and that they deliberately refuse to publish anything at all that contradicts their political agendas. It's that simple, and yet another fine example of how all that 'scientific rationalism' works in the real world.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Now, for some reality checks on the fake science; they both come from links, too, which is all that is needed to establish proof right, links n stuff?

The Research on Same-Sex Parenting: “No Differences” No More

In its 2004 endorsement of what is commonly referred to as the “no differences” theory, the American Psychological Association (APA) declared that “there is no scientific evidence that parenting effectiveness is related to parental sexual orientation: lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children,” and “research has shown that the adjustment, development, and psychological well-being of children is unrelated to parental sexual orientation and that the children of lesbian and gay parents are as likely as those of heterosexual parents to flourish.”[1]

These conclusions have been cited in numerous amicus briefs filed in court cases, including Obergefell v. Hodges,[2] the marriage case scheduled to be argued before the Supreme Court on April 28, 2015. In recent years, however, this position has been contradicted by more rigorous studies indicating that children raised by parents in a same-sex relationship face greater emotional, developmental, and other difficulties than those raised by mothers and fathers, particularly by their married biological parents.

Flawed Early Studies Found No Differences
It is well understood in experimental design that the preferred method is to conduct (1) a blind experiment (2) on a representative sample (3) using a statistically powerful hypothesis test. Early studies of parents in a same-sex relationship were lacking in at least one of these three design criteria, and most such studies were lacking in all of them.[3]

First, the participants were aware that the purpose was to investigate same-sex parenting and may have biased their responses in order to produce the desired result.

Second, participants were recruited through networks of friends or through advocacy organizations, resulting in a sample of same-sex parents of higher socioeconomic status than is typical of parents in a same-sex relationship generally.

Third, on average, samples of fewer than 40 children of parents in a same-sex relationship virtually guaranteed findings of no statistically significant differences between groups.

While many individual authors acknowledged the difficulties of studying a group that is relatively rare and difficult to identify through typical survey methods, the APA nonetheless used these flawed studies as a whole to support the “no differences” theory.

Even the more enlightened sociopaths at Slate find these sudden surges of 'Homos Are Wonderful!!! fake studeis being publiched all at once, usually just in time for some propaganda campaign or other, elections, SCOTUS cirucuses, et al.

Does It Really Make No Difference If Your Parents Are Straight or Gay?

And, the main reason these outfits like the APA never have a study that contradicts the Official PC Line is they have the same policy the HY Times and most other MSM media outlets, have, and that they deliberately refuse to publish anything at all that contradicts their political agendas. It's that simple, and yet another fine example of how all that 'scientific rationalism' works in the real world.

This has got to be a joke! First of all you are doing what you complained that I did -posting summaries of studies with out the actual study.

But aside from that, do you think that I do not know who Mark Regnerus is. Do you think that I don't know who Paul Sullins is. Do you think that I don't know what the American College of Pediatrics is.?

I'm just going to deal with Regnerus. He is a charlatan who was KICKED OUT OF COURT in Michigan becase the judge saw right through his horseshit I compiled this a while ago:

Here is a clear example of the lengths to which opponents of same sex marriage, and child rearing by gays will go in order to manipulate data and distort evidence to support their narrow minded and bigoted agenda. If there was a body of credible evidence to show that having gay parents was in any way detrimental to children, this would not be necessary!

Opponents of Same-Sex Marriage Take Bad-for-Children Argument to Court 2.22.14 Selected excerpts follow….the full article can be found at http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/us/opponents-of-same-sex-marriage-take-bad-for-children-argument-to-court.html?_r=0

Scholars testifying in defense of Michigan’s constitutional ban on same-sex marriage aim to sow doubt about the wisdom of change. They brandish a few sharply disputed recent studies — the fruits of a concerted and expensive effort by conservatives to sponsor research by sympathetic scholars — to suggest that children of same-sex couples do not fare as well as those raised by married heterosexuals.

That view will be challenged in court by longtime scholars in the field, backed by major professional organizations, who call those studies fatally flawed. These scholars will describe a near consensus that, other factors like income and stability being equal, children of same-sex couples do just as well as those of heterosexual couples.

In meetings hosted by the Heritage Foundation in Washington in late 2010, opponents of same-sex marriage discussed the urgent need to generate new studies on family structures and children, according to recent pretrial depositions of two witnesses in the Michigan trial and other participants. One result was the marshaling of $785,000 for a large-scale study by Mark HYPERLINK "https://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/sociology/faculty/mdr93"Regnerus, a meeting participant and a sociologist at the University of Texas who will testify in Michigan.

………four social science researchers, all of whom attended at least one of the Heritage Foundation meetings and went on to publish new reports, are scheduled to testify in favor of Michigan’s ban.

The most prominent is Dr. Regnerus. His study, published in 2012, was condemned by leading social scientists as misleading and irrelevant, but some conservatives call it the best of its kind and continue to cite it in speeches and court cases.

Dr. Regnerus found that the subjects in that category fared worse based on a host of behavioral and psychological measures than those who grew up in intact traditional families. The study, Dr. Regnerus wrote, “clearly reveals” that children are most apt to succeed when they grow up “with their married mother and father.”

But professional rejections of Dr. Regnerus’s conclusions were swift and severe. In a friend of the court brief http://www.socialsciencespace.com/2014/03/amicus-curiae-friend-of-the-court-friend-of-the-academy/to the Supreme Court last year in two same-sex marriage cases, a report by the 14,000-member American Sociological Association noted that more than half the subjects whom Dr. Regnerus had described as children of “lesbian mothers” and “gay fathers” were the offspring of failed opposite-sex marriages in which a parent later engaged in same-sex behavior, and that many others never lived with same-sex parents.

“If any conclusion can be reached from Regnerus’s study,” the association said, “it is that family stability is predictive of child well-being.”

I have plenty more on all of this other crap that posted but lucky for you I'm busy today and for the next few days. I will end for now by saying that the stupidest part of this is that using the issue of children to fight same sex marriage makes no sense.Gay folks have had child long before anyone thought that would be able to marry. Not allowing them to marry only ensures that those kids will not have two legal parents. I'm not done with you!