Leave the victim's families alone!!

[Fizz]

i know we cant all agree on most of the stuff here, which is why we are here. but i think there is one thing we can agree on.

it is that the victim's families should not be disturbed.

i wish to bring to your attention a post made by Christophera in which he states he has repeatedly tried to get in contact with the victim's families.

can everyone please tell this whacko how wrong this is?

I've been trying for years to contact victims families. The perpetrators shield them with non profit organizations and encourage them to not be public.

 

[JW Frogen]

Victims of what?

 

[Fizz]

Victims of what?

well, anything.

but this in particular is discussing the families of the victims of 9//11

 

[geauxtohell]

It's about as despicable as this thread:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...e-to-say-it-directly-to-victims-families.html

For as noble as the "truthers" believe their cause is, they sure act in a shady manner.

 

[eots]

It's about as despicable as this thread:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...e-to-say-it-directly-to-victims-families.html

For as noble as the "truthers" believe their cause is, they sure act in a shady manner.

don't be stupid it is apples and oranges these are links to family groups seeking an investigation of the 9/11 cover up and actively seeking contact
and the point of the thread was to supply a contact for the glen beckers on the board to share their opinions directly

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf33g9ep4YU[/ame]

 

[JW Frogen]

Victims of what?

well, anything.

We are all victims of anything, which means none of us are victims of anything.

You are alive, and nothing promised you that. Thank whatever for that and expect nothing more.

When you get hit by life or fate or God or what ever you need to call it, as you will, stand it with some dignity; or fall down with some booze. Or both.

But don't cry like a baby. Don't be a victim, live.

 

[Fizz]

Victims of what?

well, anything.

We are all victims of anything, which means none of us are victims of anything.

You are alive, and nothing promised you that. Thank whatever for that and expect nothing more.

When you get hit by life or fate or God or what ever you need to call it, as you will, stand it with some dignity; or fall down with some booze. Or both.

But don't cry like a baby. Don't be a victim, live.

i'm not sure you understand.

i'm saying that the families of the victims of 9/11 (and other disasters) shouldnt be bothered by some wacko trying to validate their existence by stalking grieving people.

this doesnt have anything to do with me personally. i'm not crying or being a victim of anything. i am asking for people that are grieving to be respected.

 

[eots]

and don't forget britney...drama queen

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc&feature=fvw[/ame]

 

[JW Frogen]

i'm not sure you understand.

i'm saying that the families of the victims of 9/11 (and other disasters) shouldnt be bothered by some wacko trying to validate their existence by stalking grieving people.

this doesnt have anything to do with me personally. i'm not crying or being a victim of anything. i am asking for people that are grieving to be respected.

Well then you should have just come out and said the 9 11 families should be respected, left alone.

Badda bing badda boom.

I am a drunk and I can do that, learn an economy of language.

Language matters.

We are not simply apes anymore.

You can't just grunt and ooo ooo ahhh ahh and get your point across.

 

[Tom Clancy]

It's about as despicable as this thread:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...e-to-say-it-directly-to-victims-families.html

For as noble as the "truthers" believe their cause is, they sure act in a shady manner.

don't be stupid it is apples and oranges these are links to family groups seeking an investigation of the 9/11 cover up and actively seeking contact
and the point of the thread was to supply a contact for the glen beckers on the board to share their opinions directly

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf33g9ep4YU[/ame]

All you ever do is post that same Glenn Beck video, who the fuck cares what he thinks? IS he running for president?

No.

Hell, as far as i'm concerned he can say whatever he wants.

But you're a sheep, you're a classic one in fact.

 

[Terral]

Hi Mr. Fizz:

Nothing is more pathetic than DoD Official Cover Story LIARS coming to this fine USMB Board to stand in the way of people presenting 'the' 911Truth!!! This 'is' the Conspiracy Theories Forum. Right? Of course. This is the place where registered members present 'their' Conspiracy Theories on any topic using whatever 'we' call 'credible evidence.' However, Mr. Fizz would rather real 911Truthers (like me) leave the 911 Victim's Families ALONE!!!!, because his job is to lull everyone back to sleep; so nobody figures out that George Bush and Karl Rove and Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld are murderers of innocent Americans (my 911Truth Blog)!!!!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgfzqulvhlQ]DoD Ops Are LYING "And" Are Getting Away With It ... For Now ...[/ame]

i know we cant all agree on most of the stuff here, which is why we are here. but i think there is one thing we can agree on.

it is that the victim's families should not be disturbed.

In other words, real 911Truthers should just shut up and allow Official Cover Story LIES to stand as 'the' 911Truth! Right? We should pretend that George Bush and his Bankster Gang did not plan and carry out the 911 attacks! No sir. Real 911Truthers (like me) are here to wake everyone up to 'the' 911Truth that a rogue element inside our Federal and State Govts planned 'and' carried out the 911 Attacks 'and' they are using DoD Field Ops (How To Spot) like 'you' as part of their DoD CounterIntelligence/Disinformation Campaign!!! For your information, I have been helping Bill Veale (Center For 911 Justice) with the April Gallop/Dick Cheney Lawsuit (my blog entry) since January, because the 'victims' deserve our support and all of our combined efforts to bring the 'real' 9/11 Inside-Job Terrorists to justice!!! Bill Veale changed many components of his 'claims' for this lawsuit, once he reviewed all of the evidence in my emails. Why? That is easy: The 'victims' deserve our assistance in helping bring the 'real' 9/11 Inside-Job Terrorists (Bush and gang) TO JUSTICE!!!! Leaving the victims 'alone' is turning your back on 'the' 911Truth 'and' the people injured during these Inside-Job Attacks!

i wish to bring to your attention a post made by Christophera in which he states he has repeatedly tried to get in contact with the victim's families.

So what? Chris is a DoD Disinformation Artist cool, just like you cool!!!

Pot meet kettle!

Terral

 

[eots]

All you ever do is post that same Glenn Beck video, who the fuck cares what he thinks? IS he running for president?

No.

Hell, as far as i'm concerned he can say whatever he wants.

But you're a sheep, you're a classic one in fact.

..


you are some what of moron aren't you...you attempt to insult yet the sheep you post is completely correct in its assertions and you would be one of the deniers in the herd

 

[Fizz]

However, Mr. Fizz would rather real 911Truthers (like me) leave the 911 Victim's Families ALONE!!!!, because his job is to lull everyone back to sleep......


In other words, real 911Truthers should just shut up and allow Official Cover Story LIES to stand as 'the' 911Truth! Right?

i dont care what your views are. trying to contact the families is WRONG. it has nothing to do with my views and it has nothing to do with your views and it has nothing to do with lulling people to sleep.

...these families deserve not to be disturbed and STALKED FOR YEARS by anyone.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Hi Mr. Fizz:

Nothing is more pathetic than DoD Official Cover Story LIARS coming to this fine USMB Board to stand in the way of people presenting 'the' 911Truth!!! This 'is' the Conspiracy Theories Forum. Right? Of course. This is the place where registered members present 'their' Conspiracy Theories on any topic using whatever 'we' call 'credible evidence.' However, Mr. Fizz would rather real 911Truthers (like me) leave the 911 Victim's Families ALONE!!!!, because his job is to lull everyone back to sleep; so nobody figures out that George Bush and Karl Rove and Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld are murderers of innocent Americans (my 911Truth Blog)!!!!

DoD Ops Are LYING "And" Are Getting Away With It ... For Now ...

i know we cant all agree on most of the stuff here, which is why we are here. but i think there is one thing we can agree on.

it is that the victim's families should not be disturbed.

In other words, real 911Truthers should just shut up and allow Official Cover Story LIES to stand as 'the' 911Truth! Right? We should pretend that George Bush and his Bankster Gang did not plan and carry out the 911 attacks! No sir. Real 911Truthers (like me) are here to wake everyone up to 'the' 911Truth that a rogue element inside our Federal and State Govts planned 'and' carried out the 911 Attacks 'and' they are using DoD Field Ops (How To Spot) like 'you' as part of their DoD CounterIntelligence/Disinformation Campaign!!! For your information, I have been helping Bill Veale (Center For 911 Justice) with the April Gallop/Dick Cheney Lawsuit (my blog entry) since January, because the 'victims' deserve our support and all of our combined efforts to bring the 'real' 9/11 Inside-Job Terrorists to justice!!! Bill Veale changed many components of his 'claims' for this lawsuit, once he reviewed all of the evidence in my emails. Why? That is easy: The 'victims' deserve our assistance in helping bring the 'real' 9/11 Inside-Job Terrorists (Bush and gang) TO JUSTICE!!!! Leaving the victims 'alone' is turning your back on 'the' 911Truth 'and' the people injured during these Inside-Job Attacks!

i wish to bring to your attention a post made by Christophera in which he states he has repeatedly tried to get in contact with the victim's families.

So what? Chris is a DoD Disinformation Artist cool, just like you cool!!!

Pot meet kettle!

Terral

well said Terral.I could not have said it better myself.what DOD agent Fizz fails to mention is that the most of the victems familys do not accept the lies and fairy tales of the 9/11 commission report that agent Fizz has been sent here to propagate.This video proves how evil and corrupt the Clintons and the neocons in the Bush administration are.you should make a thread of that video Terral,naw people dont want to hear the truth around here so they would never watch it.Agent Fizz fails to mention the familys want the criminals in the Bush administration behind bars but he doesnt care about justice.he doesnt want us to contact these familys cause he doesnt want us to hear from the victems familys first hand how they want the REAL terrorists such as Bush,cheney,wolferitz,Powell,Rice,Rumsfield,Silverstein,the Clintons and the Isreal mossad were behind these attacks.

 

[Fizz]

fairy tales of the 9/11 commission report that agent Fizz has been sent here to propagate.

do you guys realize how fucking stupid you sound to normal, sane people?

 

[Tom Clancy]

All you ever do is post that same Glenn Beck video, who the fuck cares what he thinks? IS he running for president?

No.

Hell, as far as i'm concerned he can say whatever he wants.

But you're a sheep, you're a classic one in fact.

..


you are some what of moron aren't you...you attempt to insult yet the sheep you post is completely correct in its assertions and you would be one of the deniers in the herd

Then tell me this oh wise one..

Bin Laden himself already Admitted he was the Mastermind behind the Attack.

If it was an inside job wouldn't it have been Bush?

 

[eots]

you me you saw a character in a video...a shadowy arch villain living in his secret DR EVIL cave.. with his network of terrorist where no secret is ever reveled and he and his keepers eludes the entire..U.S and International intelligence capabilities...lol


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMAfpgXTN8[/ame]



[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZq_4PIbnhI[/ame]


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2xRLiRqb8M[/ame]



they found this fellow Sadam however even had a mock trial and had people execute him...hmmmm

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgHJ08kdtdI[/ame]

 

[Tom Clancy]

bahahahahaa. Dude..

Bin Laden's Confession...



Praise be to Allah who created the creation for his worship and commanded them to be just and permitted the wronged one to retaliate against the oppressor in kind. To proceed:

Peace be upon he who follows the guidance: People of America this talk of mine is for you and concerns the ideal way to prevent another Manhattan, and deals with the war and its causes and results.

Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar of human life and that free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom. If so, then let him explain to us why we don't strike for example— Sweden? And we know that freedom-haters don't possess defiant spirits like those of the 19— may Allah have mercy on them.

No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.

No one except a dumb thief plays with the security of others and then makes himself believe he will be secure. Whereas thinking people, when disaster strikes, make it their priority to look for its causes, in order to prevent it happening again.

But I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year after the events of September 11th, Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real causes. And thus, the reasons are still there for a repeat of what occurred.

So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken, for you to consider.

I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorised and displaced.

I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy.

The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but it didn't respond.

In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.

And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.

And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance.

This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush Sr did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children—also in Iraq—as Bush Jr did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's oil and other outrages.

So with these images and their like as their background, the events of September 11th came as a reply to those great wrongs, should a man be blamed for defending his sanctuary?

Is defending oneself and punishing the aggressor in kind, objectionable terrorism? If it is such, then it is unavoidable for us.

This is the message which I sought to communicate to you in word and deed, repeatedly, for years before September 11th.

And you can read this, if you wish, in my interview with Scott in Time Magazine in 1996, or with Peter Arnett on CNN in 1997, or my meeting with John Weiner in 1998.

You can observe it practically, if you wish, in Kenya and Tanzania and in Aden. And you can read it in my interview with Abdul Bari Atwan, as well as my interviews with Robert Fisk.

The latter is one of your compatriots and co-religionists and I consider him to be neutral. So are the pretenders of freedom at the White House and the channels controlled by them able to run an interview with him? So that he may relay to the American people what he has understood from us to be the reasons for our fight against you?

If you were to avoid these reasons, you will have taken the correct path that will lead America to the security that it was in before September 11th. This concerned the causes of the war.

As for its results, they have been, by the grace of Allah, positive and enormous, and have, by all standards, exceeded all expectations. This is due to many factors, chief amongst them, that we have found it difficult to deal with the Bush administration in light of the resemblance it bears to the regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the military and the other half which are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents.

Our experience with them is lengthy, and both types are replete with those who are characterised by pride, arrogance, greed and misappropriation of wealth. This resemblance began after the visits of Bush Sr to the region.

At a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries, all of a sudden he was affected by those monarchies and military regimes, and became envious of their remaining decades in their positions, to embezzle the public wealth of the nation without supervision or accounting.

So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act, under the pretense of fighting terrorism. In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors, and didn't forget to import expertise in election fraud from the region's presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty.

All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two Mujahideen to the furthest point East to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies.

This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the Mujahideen, bled Russia for ten years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat.

All Praise is due to Allah.

So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah.

That being said, those who say that al-Qaida has won against the administration in the White House or that the administration has lost in this war have not been precise, because when one scrutinises the results, one cannot say that al-Qaida is the sole factor in achieving those spectacular gains.

Rather, the policy of the White House that demands the opening of war fronts to keep busy their various corporations - whether they be working in the field of arms or oil or reconstruction - has helped al-Qaida to achieve these enormous results.

And so it has appeared to some analysts and diplomats that the White House and us are playing as one team towards the economic goals of the United States, even if the intentions differ.

And it was to these sorts of notions and their like that the British diplomat and others were referring in their lectures at the Royal Institute of International Affairs. [When they pointed out that] for example, al-Qaida spent $500,000 on the event, while America, in the incident and its aftermath, lost - according to the lowest estimate - more than 500 billion dollars.

Meaning that every dollar of al-Qaida defeated a million dollars by the permission of Allah, besides the loss of a huge number of jobs.

As for the size of the economic deficit, it has reached record astronomical numbers estimated to total more than a trillion dollars.

And even more dangerous and bitter for America is that the Mujahideen recently forced Bush to resort to emergency funds to continue the fight in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is evidence of the success of the bleed-until-bankruptcy plan—with Allah's permission.

It is true that this shows that al-Qaida has gained, but on the other hand, it shows that the Bush administration has also gained, something of which anyone who looks at the size of the contracts acquired by the shady Bush administration-linked mega-corporations, like Haliburton and its kind, will be convinced. And it all shows that the real loser is ... you.

It is the American people and their economy. And for the record, we had agreed with the Commander-General Muhammad Atta, Allah have mercy on him, that all the operations should be carried out within twenty minutes, before Bush and his administration notice.

It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone, the time when they most needed him.

But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers, we were given three times the period required to execute the operations—all praise is due to Allah.

And it's no secret to you that the thinkers and perceptive ones from among the Americans warned Bush before the war and told him: "All that you want for securing America and removing the weapons of mass destruction—assuming they exist—is available to you, and the nations of the world are with you in the inspections, and it is in the interest of America that it not be thrust into an unjustified war with an unknown outcome."

But the darkness of the black gold blurred his vision and insight, and he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of America.

So the war went ahead, the death toll rose, the American economy bled, and Bush became embroiled in the swamps of Iraq that threaten his future. He fits the saying "like the naughty she-goat who used her hoof to dig up a knife from under the earth".

So I say to you, over 15,000 of our people have been killed and tens of thousands injured, while more than a thousand of you have been killed and more than 10,000 injured. And Bush's hands are stained with the blood of all those killed from both sides, all for the sake of oil and keeping their private companies in business.

Be aware that it is the nation who punishes the weak man when he causes the killing of one of its citizens for money, while letting the powerful one get off, when he causes the killing of more than 1000 of its sons, also for money.

And the same goes for your allies in Palestine. They terrorise the women and children, and kill and capture the men as they lie sleeping with their families on the mattresses, that you may recall that for every action, there is a reaction.

Finally, it behooves you to reflect on the last wills and testaments of the thousands who left you on the 11th as they gestured in despair. They are important testaments, which should be studied and researched.

Among the most important of what I read in them was some prose in their gestures before the collapse, where they say: "How mistaken we were to have allowed the White House to implement its aggressive foreign policies against the weak without supervision." It is as if they were telling you, the people of America: "Hold to account those who have caused us to be killed, and happy is he who learns from others' mistakes." And among that which I read in their gestures is a verse of poetry. "Injustice chases its people, and how unhealthy the bed of tyranny."

As has been said: "An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure."

And know that: "It is better to return to the truth than persist in error." And that the wise man doesn't squander his security, wealth and children for the sake of the liar in the White House.

In conclusion, I tell you in truth, that your security is not in the hands of Kerry, nor Bush, nor al-Qaida. No.

Your security is in your own hands. And every state that doesn't play with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security.

And Allah is our Guardian and Helper, while you have no Guardian or Helper. All peace be upon he who follows the Guidance.

Transcript: Translation of Bin Laden's Videotaped Message (washingtonpost.com)

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