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I have seen the list of right wing greivences over and over. I am aware of their perceived reality.

Did you want to talk about your thread topic now or did you really want to talk about those other things?

Your play.
My thread. My play. You lose. The mods should thread ban you. Believe me, I know they are capable.
 
If my reply was word salad to you the rest goes without saying.
Look. I don't know why you people keep hashing this minutia. Enlighten me. What's your point here? What is it that your purpose in drawing this difference? The only reason I can see is that you want a justification for an iron man, or strong man (dictator). Specifically, to fawn over a specific man that for some unknown reason makes you feel safe.

We are a democracy. Either embrace it, or get the fuck out. The rest of us are tired of your constant complaining.
 
Look. I don't know why you people keep hashing this minutia. Enlighten me. What's your point here? What is it that your purpose in drawing this difference? The only reason I can see is that you want a justification for an iron man, or strong man (dictator). Specifically, to fawn over a specific man that for some unknown reason makes you feel safe.

We are a democracy. Either embrace it, or get the fuck out. The rest of us are tired of your constant complaining.
The point is the democracy you assholes keep saying is threatened simply does not exist. Doh!
 
We should be asking ourselves why Repubs are playing semantic games with the terms we use to describe our form of government.

Why the Right Keeps Saying That the United States Isn’t a Democracy


Lee’s words also underscore something else: that many on the right view voting as an existential threat. At a gathering of evangelicals back in 1980, Paul Weyrich, a Republican strategist and a co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, asked, “How many of our Christians have what I call the ‘goo-goo syndrome’? Good government. They want everybody to vote. I don’t want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”

Gerrymandering and restrictive voter-I.D. laws are products of this sentiment, as are the dismantling of the Voting Rights Act, legal impediments to casting ballots, and voter suppression propagated through social media. These efforts, which began before Donald Trump’s Presidency, intensified when he took office, and have escalated as the 2020 election approaches. Lately, we’ve watched as Republican-controlled state legislatures, Republican-appointed judges, and Republican secretaries of state shutter polling places, limit the number of ballot drop boxes, undo the restoration of felons’ voting rights, and prevent absentee voting. The hacking of this election—through the use of such democratic institutions as the courts and the legislatures, which are exploited to erode and subvert democratic norms—is under way, and it has been for years.

The paradox of American democracy is that its survival is a choice; it persists solely at the discretion of an electorate that can, if it so wills, dismantle it. If the polls are accurate, Trump’s reëlection bid is in trouble. Early voting in swing states indicates that more Democrats have voted than Republicans, and groups that supported Trump in 2016, such as white, suburban woman, are abandoning him. Apparently, Trump sees cheating as his best chance to win, so he has been denouncing voting by mail, actively kneecapping the U.S. Postal Service, loudly complaining about voter fraud, injecting all sorts of misinformation into the media, and doing nothing to deter Russian meddling in the election. We need to be concerned about foreign intrusions, such as those that Microsoft revealed on October 12th, and others reported by the intelligence community two days later. We also need to be alert to the many weak links in our election infrastructure that can be sabotaged: machines that don’t produce paper backups and can’t be audited; machines that tally the vote using unreadable barcodes, which prevent voters from checking their accuracy; electronic poll books that are not subject to cybersecurity review; and unpatched software that leaves voting machines vulnerable to manipulation, to name just a few.

Democracy relies on trust. Not trust in democracy itself but trust in one another. When we vote, we come together to articulate our singular will with the understanding that we will submit to the collective will. Trust permeates the system: we trust that our vote will be counted accurately; we trust that the people we’re choosing to represent us have our best interests and those of the country at heart. The most sacred trust is that, when the votes are all tallied, the losing candidate will walk away with grace. Donald Trump, abetted by Attorney General William Barr, who earlier this month deputized federal prosecutors to investigate claims of voter fraud before the polls close, is busy abusing this trust. If, ultimately, Trump, Barr, and others were to subvert the election, Mike Lee’s claim that we aren’t a democracy will turn out to have been prescient.

I find it hilarious that Democrats bitch about gerrymandering without truly understanding the concept. They don't realize it was named for a Vice President of the United States. They also do not realize that both political parties use it.

An article in today's paper was Democrats bitching because the state legislature in Tennessee had divided Nashville into 3 different Congressional districts and none of the Replicant reps who were elected live inside the city of Nashville, which is required nowhere in the Constitution for them to even live in their district much less the largest city.
 
Yes. Like voting in elections.

You don't vote on issues (democracy) you vote for representatives who vote on issues (republic)
Ok.



I assume you mean constitutional Republic? But yes, voting in an election is a democratic aspect of our government.

democracy is direct voting on laws by the public.

Well again. The only thing that makes us a constitutional Republic at all is the actual constitution.

False.

A republic is marked by elected representatives.

Essentially in that case we are a constitutional Republic because the constitution protects the rights of the minority from majority rule. It's supposed to anyhow.

For example, if a majority of Americans wanted the federal government to support a religion, despite having a majority, the constitution prohibits it.

At least that is the way I understand it.

We could be a constitutional democracy if we had a constitution coupled with direct vote by the public,

Democracy - direct vote on issues and laws

Republic - representatives vote on issues and laws
 
Nothing about us being a Constitional Republic stops us from also being a Representative Democracy. Also the Constitution wasn't written by mother nature it was written by a mob of men. Make no mistake everywhere there are rules they are mob rules. Why do words and simple reality frighten you Simps? 😄

No one can even agree on what we have anymore!!

It looks like a post-Constitutional Rorschach Test resulting in a Banana Republic of some sort, to me. :banana::banana:
 
You're too stupid. 😄 Lastamender posted a link referencing the words of the Founders on Republics and Democracies. Now maybe those ignorant Dipshits thought they were the been knees back then but we all have the foresight of history to understand they weren't the bastions of freedom and liberty they pretended to be, as slavers they were as about as far from those ideals as you could get. Having the foresight of history how do you morons still manage to come down on the wrong side of it? That takes a serious commitment to ignorance. Kudos to you clowns. 😄

You're babbling again.

I assume it's the crack. Do you even know what a "slaver" is? This would be far easier, had you completed 2nd grade.

And yes, America was and continues to be a bastion of freedom and liberty. Your ignorance, racism, and bigotry in no way alter that fact.
 
No. I think I'll stick around and continue to own you in your own thread you ignorant fucktard. 😄

Still can't explain how we're not a representative democracy? Need me to call some ambulance chasers to explain those very simple words to you? 😄

How exactly are you "owning" anyone?

It appears you're making a complete fool of yourself. Your ignorance, bigotry, and lack of education are on full display.
 

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