Lastamender
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Law is now a simple concept? The only thing simple here is you.
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Uncensored2008
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Representation is not a feature of democracy. Representation is a feature of a republic. Democracy is direct involvement by the public. The proposition system in California is democracy. The election of representatives is republican. It's sad that ignorance of our form of government has become so prevelant.
Catsnmeters
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The thread topic is democracy vs constitutional Republic not your list of right wing greivences.
It's like you are hijacking your own thread.
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Red Herrings are a simple concept. Maybe not for you.
The words Constitutional Republic and Representative Democracy are easy enough to understand. Explain how you think these two things are in conflict.
Uncensored2008
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Curried Goats
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What does the date have to do with my argument you Simpleton?Slavers!
Because it's 1830 and all..
What a moron you are, Goat Curious.
Uncensored2008
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Anyone thinking there are "slavers" in 2022 (other than democrats and their cartel allies with illegals, that is) is too stupid to bother with.
I think Goat Curious is on a meth and booze fueled bender,,,
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We should be asking ourselves why Repubs are playing semantic games with the terms we use to describe our form of government.
Lee’s words also underscore something else: that many on the right view voting as an existential threat. At a gathering of evangelicals back in 1980, Paul Weyrich, a Republican strategist and a co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, asked, “How many of our Christians have what I call the ‘goo-goo syndrome’? Good government. They want everybody to vote. I don’t want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”
Gerrymandering and restrictive voter-I.D. laws are products of this sentiment, as are the dismantling of the Voting Rights Act, legal impediments to casting ballots, and voter suppression propagated through social media. These efforts, which began before Donald Trump’s Presidency, intensified when he took office, and have escalated as the 2020 election approaches. Lately, we’ve watched as Republican-controlled state legislatures, Republican-appointed judges, and Republican secretaries of state shutter polling places, limit the number of ballot drop boxes, undo the restoration of felons’ voting rights, and prevent absentee voting. The hacking of this election—through the use of such democratic institutions as the courts and the legislatures, which are exploited to erode and subvert democratic norms—is under way, and it has been for years.
The paradox of American democracy is that its survival is a choice; it persists solely at the discretion of an electorate that can, if it so wills, dismantle it. If the polls are accurate, Trump’s reëlection bid is in trouble. Early voting in swing states indicates that more Democrats have voted than Republicans, and groups that supported Trump in 2016, such as white, suburban woman, are abandoning him. Apparently, Trump sees cheating as his best chance to win, so he has been denouncing voting by mail, actively kneecapping the U.S. Postal Service, loudly complaining about voter fraud, injecting all sorts of misinformation into the media, and doing nothing to deter Russian meddling in the election. We need to be concerned about foreign intrusions, such as those that Microsoft revealed on October 12th, and others reported by the intelligence community two days later. We also need to be alert to the many weak links in our election infrastructure that can be sabotaged: machines that don’t produce paper backups and can’t be audited; machines that tally the vote using unreadable barcodes, which prevent voters from checking their accuracy; electronic poll books that are not subject to cybersecurity review; and unpatched software that leaves voting machines vulnerable to manipulation, to name just a few.
Democracy relies on trust. Not trust in democracy itself but trust in one another. When we vote, we come together to articulate our singular will with the understanding that we will submit to the collective will. Trust permeates the system: we trust that our vote will be counted accurately; we trust that the people we’re choosing to represent us have our best interests and those of the country at heart. The most sacred trust is that, when the votes are all tallied, the losing candidate will walk away with grace. Donald Trump, abetted by Attorney General William Barr, who earlier this month deputized federal prosecutors to investigate claims of voter fraud before the polls close, is busy abusing this trust. If, ultimately, Trump, Barr, and others were to subvert the election, Mike Lee’s claim that we aren’t a democracy will turn out to have been prescient.
www.newyorker.com
Why the Right Keeps Saying That the United States Isn’t a Democracy
Lee’s words also underscore something else: that many on the right view voting as an existential threat. At a gathering of evangelicals back in 1980, Paul Weyrich, a Republican strategist and a co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, asked, “How many of our Christians have what I call the ‘goo-goo syndrome’? Good government. They want everybody to vote. I don’t want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”
Gerrymandering and restrictive voter-I.D. laws are products of this sentiment, as are the dismantling of the Voting Rights Act, legal impediments to casting ballots, and voter suppression propagated through social media. These efforts, which began before Donald Trump’s Presidency, intensified when he took office, and have escalated as the 2020 election approaches. Lately, we’ve watched as Republican-controlled state legislatures, Republican-appointed judges, and Republican secretaries of state shutter polling places, limit the number of ballot drop boxes, undo the restoration of felons’ voting rights, and prevent absentee voting. The hacking of this election—through the use of such democratic institutions as the courts and the legislatures, which are exploited to erode and subvert democratic norms—is under way, and it has been for years.
The paradox of American democracy is that its survival is a choice; it persists solely at the discretion of an electorate that can, if it so wills, dismantle it. If the polls are accurate, Trump’s reëlection bid is in trouble. Early voting in swing states indicates that more Democrats have voted than Republicans, and groups that supported Trump in 2016, such as white, suburban woman, are abandoning him. Apparently, Trump sees cheating as his best chance to win, so he has been denouncing voting by mail, actively kneecapping the U.S. Postal Service, loudly complaining about voter fraud, injecting all sorts of misinformation into the media, and doing nothing to deter Russian meddling in the election. We need to be concerned about foreign intrusions, such as those that Microsoft revealed on October 12th, and others reported by the intelligence community two days later. We also need to be alert to the many weak links in our election infrastructure that can be sabotaged: machines that don’t produce paper backups and can’t be audited; machines that tally the vote using unreadable barcodes, which prevent voters from checking their accuracy; electronic poll books that are not subject to cybersecurity review; and unpatched software that leaves voting machines vulnerable to manipulation, to name just a few.
Democracy relies on trust. Not trust in democracy itself but trust in one another. When we vote, we come together to articulate our singular will with the understanding that we will submit to the collective will. Trust permeates the system: we trust that our vote will be counted accurately; we trust that the people we’re choosing to represent us have our best interests and those of the country at heart. The most sacred trust is that, when the votes are all tallied, the losing candidate will walk away with grace. Donald Trump, abetted by Attorney General William Barr, who earlier this month deputized federal prosecutors to investigate claims of voter fraud before the polls close, is busy abusing this trust. If, ultimately, Trump, Barr, and others were to subvert the election, Mike Lee’s claim that we aren’t a democracy will turn out to have been prescient.
Why the Right Keeps Saying That the United States Isn’t a Democracy
Our electoral rights have been debased by those who use the claim that America is a republic, and the libertarianism on which that claim feeds, to justify siphoning power from the electorate.
Uncensored2008
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What does the date have to do with my argument you Simpleton?
You have no argument.
The last "slaver" in America was 1825 moron. They were put in prison because it had been illegal to bring in African slaves since 1806.
The point is, you're an idiot with no grasp of history.
My guess is you've spent weeks smoking crack and drinking Thunderbird, leaving you in your current condition.
The Slave Trade
At the Constitutional Convention in 1787, delegates fiercely debated the issue of slavery. They ultimately agreed that the United States would potentially cease importation of slaves in 1808. An act of Congress passed in 1800 made it illegal for Americans to engage in the slave trade between...
www.archives.gov
dudmuck
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Uncensored2008
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We should be asking ourselves why Repubs are playing semantic games with the terms we use to describe our form of government.
Why the Right Keeps Saying That the United States Isn’t a Democracy
Lee’s words also underscore something else: that many on the right view voting as an existential threat. At a gathering of evangelicals back in 1980, Paul Weyrich, a Republican strategist and a co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, asked, “How many of our Christians have what I call the ‘goo-goo syndrome’? Good government. They want everybody to vote. I don’t want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”
Gerrymandering and restrictive voter-I.D. laws are products of this sentiment, as are the dismantling of the Voting Rights Act, legal impediments to casting ballots, and voter suppression propagated through social media. These efforts, which began before Donald Trump’s Presidency, intensified when he took office, and have escalated as the 2020 election approaches. Lately, we’ve watched as Republican-controlled state legislatures, Republican-appointed judges, and Republican secretaries of state shutter polling places, limit the number of ballot drop boxes, undo the restoration of felons’ voting rights, and prevent absentee voting. The hacking of this election—through the use of such democratic institutions as the courts and the legislatures, which are exploited to erode and subvert democratic norms—is under way, and it has been for years.
The paradox of American democracy is that its survival is a choice; it persists solely at the discretion of an electorate that can, if it so wills, dismantle it. If the polls are accurate, Trump’s reëlection bid is in trouble. Early voting in swing states indicates that more Democrats have voted than Republicans, and groups that supported Trump in 2016, such as white, suburban woman, are abandoning him. Apparently, Trump sees cheating as his best chance to win, so he has been denouncing voting by mail, actively kneecapping the U.S. Postal Service, loudly complaining about voter fraud, injecting all sorts of misinformation into the media, and doing nothing to deter Russian meddling in the election. We need to be concerned about foreign intrusions, such as those that Microsoft revealed on October 12th, and others reported by the intelligence community two days later. We also need to be alert to the many weak links in our election infrastructure that can be sabotaged: machines that don’t produce paper backups and can’t be audited; machines that tally the vote using unreadable barcodes, which prevent voters from checking their accuracy; electronic poll books that are not subject to cybersecurity review; and unpatched software that leaves voting machines vulnerable to manipulation, to name just a few.
Democracy relies on trust. Not trust in democracy itself but trust in one another. When we vote, we come together to articulate our singular will with the understanding that we will submit to the collective will. Trust permeates the system: we trust that our vote will be counted accurately; we trust that the people we’re choosing to represent us have our best interests and those of the country at heart. The most sacred trust is that, when the votes are all tallied, the losing candidate will walk away with grace. Donald Trump, abetted by Attorney General William Barr, who earlier this month deputized federal prosecutors to investigate claims of voter fraud before the polls close, is busy abusing this trust. If, ultimately, Trump, Barr, and others were to subvert the election, Mike Lee’s claim that we aren’t a democracy will turn out to have been prescient.
Why the Right Keeps Saying That the United States Isn’t a Democracy
Our electoral rights have been debased by those who use the claim that America is a republic, and the libertarianism on which that claim feeds, to justify siphoning power from the electorate.
More leftist idiocy.
Catsnmeters
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Yes. Like voting in elections.
Ok.
I assume you mean constitutional Republic? But yes, voting in an election is a democratic aspect of our government.
Well again. The only thing that makes us a constitutional Republic at all is the actual constitution.
Essentially in that case we are a constitutional Republic because the constitution protects the rights of the minority from majority rule. It's supposed to anyhow.
For example, if a majority of Americans wanted the federal government to support a religion, despite having a majority, the constitution prohibits it.
At least that is the way I understand it.
Lastamender
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Just letting you know the reality of the situatiion. I do not expect you to, or care, if you like it or not.
Uncensored2008
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Hate boi, What the **** does that have to do with the thread topic?
Lastamender
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GFY. Find another thread to troll. You have already proven you are incapable of understanding this one.Red Herrings are a simple concept. Maybe not for you.
Curried Goats
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You're too stupid.You have no argument.
The last "slaver" in America was 1825 moron. They were put in prison because it had been illegal to bring in African slaves since 1806.
The point is, you're an idiot with no grasp of history.
My guess is you've spent weeks smoking crack and drinking Thunderbird, leaving you in your current condition.
The Slave Trade
At the Constitutional Convention in 1787, delegates fiercely debated the issue of slavery. They ultimately agreed that the United States would potentially cease importation of slaves in 1808. An act of Congress passed in 1800 made it illegal for Americans to engage in the slave trade between...
Lastamender posted a link referencing the words of the Founders on Republics and Democracies. Now maybe those ignorant Dipshits thought they were the been knees back then but we all have the foresight of history to understand they weren't the bastions of freedom and liberty they pretended to be, as slavers they were as about as far from those ideals as you could get. Having the foresight of history how do you morons still manage to come down on the wrong side of it? That takes a serious commitment to ignorance. Kudos to you clowns.
Lastamender
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What you said is irrelevant to this discussion. Keep making a fool of yourself. Clearly, it is the only thing you do well.You're too stupid.
Curried Goats
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No. I think I'll stick around and continue to own you in your own thread you ignorant fucktard.
Still can't explain how we're not a representative democracy? Need me to call some ambulance chasers to explain those very simple words to you?
Keep chopping up that word salad. S'Matter? No more traction on fraudulent elections?
Honestly, we understand you feel safe under a dictator. But the rest of us like our democracy.
Catsnmeters
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I have seen the list of right wing greivences over and over. I am aware of their perceived reality.
Did you want to talk about your thread topic now or did you really want to talk about those other things?
Your play.
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