Kristen Powers: Why Can't Obama Tell Us The Truth About Benghazi

[Redfish]

So FOX tells one of their pet "Democrats" Kristen Powers to start earning her paycheck, and she complies. Film at 11.

It is interesting how committed liberals begin to see the light when exposed to the truth.

Powers is still a liberal, but she has the guts to speak the truth rather than simply repeat the talking points like most liberal commentators.

 

[BlindBoo]

Really? where were you all of 2013? the quotes were all over the media. But you can google obama's UN speech if you like. Everyone else in the country knows what they said.

That's funny. I provided the exact quote of what the Ambassador said and you say: "That is NOT what they said."

I say he did not solely blame the video for the attack in Benghazi in his UN speech two weeks later. Furthermore he actually stood up for the film makers rights in that speech.

"I know there are some who ask why we don’t just ban such a video. And the answer is enshrined in our laws: Our Constitution protects the right to practice free speech.

Here in the United States, countless publications provoke offense. Like me, the majority of Americans are Christian, and yet we do not ban blasphemy against our most sacred beliefs. As President of our country and Commander-in-Chief of our military, I accept that people are going to call me awful things every day -- (laughter) -- and I will always defend their right to do so.

Americans have fought and died around the globe to protect the right of all people to express their views, even views that we profoundly disagree with. We do not do so because we support hateful speech, but because our founders understood that without such protections, the capacity of each individual to express their own views and practice their own faith may be threatened. We do so because in a diverse society, efforts to restrict speech can quickly become a tool to silence critics and oppress minorities."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/26/w...eneral-assembly-text.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

she said "which were prompted, of course, by the video". that was a lie, and they knew it was a lie when she said it. It was still a lie when obama said it 2 weeks later at the UN.

"of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video.

You're not even trying are you?

 

[Synthaholic]

You're amusing. The ACA mandates compliance but you maintain that the cost of that compliance is only going to be passed along to the consumer if the insurance companies make an "arbitrary" decision to do so and that if they DO pass that cost along then the ACA has nothing to do with the increase? Is that your "logic"?

Your operating under the false assumption that new rules=increased cost.

My "false assumption" raised my healthcare premiums 20% since the ACA was passed.

No, that was your insurance company.

The new rules DID equal increased costs and those increased costs were passed along to me.

What evidence do you base this on?

 

[Synthaholic]

You can't cover people with pre-existing conditions and not have higher costs. To say that you can is farce and you know it.

Why? Because your insurance company told you? Or are you just making a false assumption.

Why do you think insurers are so on board with the ACA? If it was going to make their costs go up, wouldn't they have fought it?

Use your head.

 

[Synthaholic]

it doesn't work that way, cancel, reissue, and increase the premium---thats what is happening, and people cannot afford the new ACA compliant policies.

Who says it can't work that way? It's only insurance company "rules" that can be changed whenever they want.

Who says the policy price must go up? That's an arbitrary decision by insurance companies, not the ACA.

Your arguments continue to prove that I am right, that ObamaCare hasn't cancelled a single policy.

Ok, lets say that pre-obamacare you had a policy that cost you $200?month, it had a $500 deductible and did not include maternity care or contraceptives.

Now, after ACA all policies have to include maternity and contraceptives. Sooooo, your old policy has to be cancelled because it is in violation of the law.

they offer you a new policy for $700/month with a $5000 deductible, but now you have maternity and contraceptives--------but you are a single gay male. Are you happy?

When you're just going to pull numbers out of your ass, it's hard to argue those numbers.

Edit to add: who says your old policy had to be cancelled? What's wrong with just changing it/upgrading it with the new standards?

You wingnuts are total slaves to corporations, swallowing whatever bullshit they serve up, without any doubts or suspicions.

 

[Oldstyle]

You can't cover people with pre-existing conditions and not have higher costs. To say that you can is farce and you know it.

Why? Because your insurance company told you? Or are you just making a false assumption.

Why do you think insurers are so on board with the ACA? If it was going to make their costs go up, wouldn't they have fought it?

Use your head.

Why should they care? They knew they would simply pass that cost along to the consumer. They would have fought it tooth and nail if they'd been prevented from doing so but they were not. My cost went up because their cost went up. Why is this such a hard concept for liberals to grasp? Costs ALWAYS get passed along.

 

[Oldstyle]

Who says it can't work that way? It's only insurance company "rules" that can be changed whenever they want.

Who says the policy price must go up? That's an arbitrary decision by insurance companies, not the ACA.

Your arguments continue to prove that I am right, that ObamaCare hasn't cancelled a single policy.

Ok, lets say that pre-obamacare you had a policy that cost you $200?month, it had a $500 deductible and did not include maternity care or contraceptives.

Now, after ACA all policies have to include maternity and contraceptives. Sooooo, your old policy has to be cancelled because it is in violation of the law.

they offer you a new policy for $700/month with a $5000 deductible, but now you have maternity and contraceptives--------but you are a single gay male. Are you happy?

When you're just going to pull numbers out of your ass, it's hard to argue those numbers.

Edit to add: who says your old policy had to be cancelled? What's wrong with just changing it/upgrading it with the new standards?

You wingnuts are total slaves to corporations, swallowing whatever bullshit they serve up, without any doubts or suspicions.

Once again...the American people were promised by this President that if they liked their healthcare plan...they could keep their healthcare plan...PERIOD! The bullshit that was served up was THAT statement.

 

[RandallFlagg]

You can't cover people with pre-existing conditions and not have higher costs. To say that you can is farce and you know it.

Why? Because your insurance company told you? Or are you just making a false assumption.

Why do you think insurers are so on board with the ACA? If it was going to make their costs go up, wouldn't they have fought it?

Use your head.

Why should they care? They knew they would simply pass that cost along to the consumer. They would have fought it tooth and nail if they'd been prevented from doing so but they were not. My cost went up because their cost went up. Why is this such a hard concept for liberals to grasp? Costs ALWAYS get passed along.

Well, quite frankly, it's easy to understand why liberals are simply incapable of grasping this simple concept - they're liberals. They have little concept of how the market works. Hell, the thought that OBarrycare was going to be "free".

I truly believe that they bought into the idea that Barry was going to rob from the rich and give it to them...

 

[Oldstyle]

Just like Nancy Pelosi told us that reports the ACA would cost millions of jobs were nothing more than fear mongering by the GOP and that it would actually create jobs.

Now the CBO comes out with an estimation that the ACA will cost 2.5 million jobs by 2025.

So either San Fran Nan was about as wrong as one could possibly be, which makes her incompetent...or she knew that the ACA would cost jobs and lied to the American people because she thought the end justified the means.

 

[Synthaholic]

You can't cover people with pre-existing conditions and not have higher costs. To say that you can is farce and you know it.

Why? Because your insurance company told you? Or are you just making a false assumption.

Why do you think insurers are so on board with the ACA? If it was going to make their costs go up, wouldn't they have fought it?

Use your head.

Why should they care? They knew they would simply pass that cost along to the consumer. They would have fought it tooth and nail if they'd been prevented from doing so but they were not. My cost went up because their cost went up. Why is this such a hard concept for liberals to grasp? Costs ALWAYS get passed along.

You keep assuming facts that are not in evidence.

The ACA covers regular visits, which have been proven to lower health care costs, since diseases are caught early instead of lingering until they have become terminal, or at least very expensive to treat.

That lowers overall insurance costs for everyone.

See how that works? Why can't conservatives understand markets?

 

[RandallFlagg]

Just like Nancy Pelosi told us that reports the ACA would cost millions of jobs were nothing more than fear mongering by the GOP and that it would actually create jobs.

Now the CBO comes out with an estimation that the ACA will cost 2.5 million jobs by 2025.

So either San Fran Nan was about as wrong as one could possibly be, which makes her incompetent...or she knew that the ACA would cost jobs and lied to the American people because she thought the end justified the means.

She is an incompetent fool - just like her boss.

 

[francoHFW]

It's not going to cost 2.5 million jobs- total lie- people who are working in pain, want to retire but have to cover others, etc etc, will be able to cut back, change jobs to what they want to do etc etc- REAL FREEDOM- Will mean they can do it, the EQUIVALENT of 2.5 million jobs OPENING UP. CHANGE THE GD CHANNEL, HATER DUPES. Ryan said this would be great 3 years ago.

WHEN INSURERS ACTUALLY START COMPETING, things will get cheaper, FOREVER. This had to be done. And it's the Pub plan, the fecking hypocrites, not socialism...

 

[Oldstyle]

Why? Because your insurance company told you? Or are you just making a false assumption.

Why do you think insurers are so on board with the ACA? If it was going to make their costs go up, wouldn't they have fought it?

Use your head.

Why should they care? They knew they would simply pass that cost along to the consumer. They would have fought it tooth and nail if they'd been prevented from doing so but they were not. My cost went up because their cost went up. Why is this such a hard concept for liberals to grasp? Costs ALWAYS get passed along.

You keep assuming facts that are not in evidence.

The ACA covers regular visits, which have been proven to lower health care costs, since diseases are caught early instead of lingering until they have become terminal, or at least very expensive to treat.

That lowers overall insurance costs for everyone.

See how that works? Why can't conservatives understand markets?

My existing policy already covered regular visits. Barry promised us that if the ACA was passed that the average premium cost for a middle class family would go down by $2500. That hasn't happened. The cost of premiums for middle class families not eligible for subsidies has increased substantially EXACTLY AS CRITICS OF OBAMACARE PREDICTED!

 

[Oldstyle]

It's not going to cost 2.5 million jobs- total lie- people who are working in pain, want to retire but have to cover others, etc etc, will be able to cut back, change jobs to what they want to do etc etc- REAL FREEDOM- Will mean they can do it, the EQUIVALENT of 2.5 million jobs OPENING UP. CHANGE THE GD CHANNEL, HATER DUPES. Ryan said this would be great 3 years ago.

WHEN INSURERS ACTUALLY START COMPETING, things will get cheaper, FOREVER. This had to be done. And it's the Pub plan, the fecking hypocrites, not socialism...

Oh, so now job losses are jobs "OPENING UP"? Do you people ever get tired of the bullshit that you spout trying to put a good face on a terrible piece of legislation?

Stick to the "Pub dupe" thing, Franco...when you stray from that you reveal just how ignorant you really are.

 

[Synthaholic]

Ok, lets say that pre-obamacare you had a policy that cost you $200?month, it had a $500 deductible and did not include maternity care or contraceptives.

Now, after ACA all policies have to include maternity and contraceptives. Sooooo, your old policy has to be cancelled because it is in violation of the law.

they offer you a new policy for $700/month with a $5000 deductible, but now you have maternity and contraceptives--------but you are a single gay male. Are you happy?

When you're just going to pull numbers out of your ass, it's hard to argue those numbers.

Edit to add: who says your old policy had to be cancelled? What's wrong with just changing it/upgrading it with the new standards?

You wingnuts are total slaves to corporations, swallowing whatever bullshit they serve up, without any doubts or suspicions.

Once again...the American people were promised by this President that if they liked their healthcare plan...they could keep their healthcare plan...PERIOD! The bullshit that was served up was THAT statement.

You keep coming back to this, like it proves your argument.

When President Obama (praise be unto Him!) made that statement, it was probably under the assumption that insurance companies weren't going to screw with people. If you want to call that naive, fine. But it's no more naive than claiming we would be greeted as liberators in Iraq, with flowers and candy.

 

[Synthaholic]

Why should they care? They knew they would simply pass that cost along to the consumer. They would have fought it tooth and nail if they'd been prevented from doing so but they were not. My cost went up because their cost went up. Why is this such a hard concept for liberals to grasp? Costs ALWAYS get passed along.

You keep assuming facts that are not in evidence.

The ACA covers regular visits, which have been proven to lower health care costs, since diseases are caught early instead of lingering until they have become terminal, or at least very expensive to treat.

That lowers overall insurance costs for everyone.

See how that works? Why can't conservatives understand markets?

My existing policy already covered regular visits. Barry promised us that if the ACA was passed that the average premium cost for a middle class family would go down by $2500. That hasn't happened. The cost of premiums for middle class families not eligible for subsidies has increased substantially EXACTLY AS CRITICS OF OBAMACARE PREDICTED!

We're not talking about you. We're talking about the policies that were cancelled.

 

[Synthaholic]

It's not going to cost 2.5 million jobs- total lie- people who are working in pain, want to retire but have to cover others, etc etc, will be able to cut back, change jobs to what they want to do etc etc- REAL FREEDOM- Will mean they can do it, the EQUIVALENT of 2.5 million jobs OPENING UP. CHANGE THE GD CHANNEL, HATER DUPES. Ryan said this would be great 3 years ago.

WHEN INSURERS ACTUALLY START COMPETING, things will get cheaper, FOREVER. This had to be done. And it's the Pub plan, the fecking hypocrites, not socialism...

Oh, so now job losses are jobs "OPENING UP"? Do you people ever get tired of the bullshit that you spout trying to put a good face on a terrible piece of legislation?

Stick to the "Pub dupe" thing, Franco...when you stray from that you reveal just how ignorant you really are.

There are no "job losses".

 

[Oldstyle]

When you're just going to pull numbers out of your ass, it's hard to argue those numbers.

Edit to add: who says your old policy had to be cancelled? What's wrong with just changing it/upgrading it with the new standards?

You wingnuts are total slaves to corporations, swallowing whatever bullshit they serve up, without any doubts or suspicions.

Once again...the American people were promised by this President that if they liked their healthcare plan...they could keep their healthcare plan...PERIOD! The bullshit that was served up was THAT statement.

You keep coming back to this, like it proves your argument.

When President Obama (praise be unto Him!) made that statement, it was probably under the assumption that insurance companies weren't going to screw with people. If you want to call that naive, fine. But it's no more naive than claiming we would be greeted as liberators in Iraq, with flowers and candy.

So what you're now claiming is that President Obama didn't understand what the ACA would do to people's costs? That he was "naive" and it's the fault of the insurance companies?

So all of those speeches he gave to the American people about what the ACA was and what it would mean were given by someone who really didn't understand the issue? Is that what you REALLY want to claim?

So according to you...Barack Obama's "signature" piece of legislation is something that he didn't understand? Wow...now THAT is a revelation!!!

 

[Oldstyle]

You keep assuming facts that are not in evidence.

The ACA covers regular visits, which have been proven to lower health care costs, since diseases are caught early instead of lingering until they have become terminal, or at least very expensive to treat.

That lowers overall insurance costs for everyone.

See how that works? Why can't conservatives understand markets?

My existing policy already covered regular visits. Barry promised us that if the ACA was passed that the average premium cost for a middle class family would go down by $2500. That hasn't happened. The cost of premiums for middle class families not eligible for subsidies has increased substantially EXACTLY AS CRITICS OF OBAMACARE PREDICTED!

We're not talking about you. We're talking about the policies that were cancelled.

The policies that this President guaranteed Americans that they would be able to keep if they liked them...PERIOD!!! Are those the policies you're referring to?

 

[Oldstyle]

Let's recap...shall we?

We were promised by this President that the ACA would lower costs for the average Middle Class American family by an estimated $2,500 a year.

We were promised by this President that if the ACA were passed we would be able to keep our healthcare plan if we liked it...PERIOD!

We were promised by this President that the ACA would not cost jobs.

None of the above turn out to be the case...and now you claim that it's because we have a "naive" President sitting in the Oval Office who didn't understand how insurance and the healthcare industry works? Is that what you're saying, Synth?