Knee-deep in blood: We are all being held hostage by Wayne LaPierre’s children

[boedicca]

The OP is complete and utter nonsense.

The Sandy Hook and Charleston shooters are examples of mentally ill people run amok.

No, the Charleston terrorist is a textbook example of domestic rightwing racist terrorism.

No, you are a textbook example of a brain-damaged Progressive Loon.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I'll admit that closing down the mental hospitals was a really stupid move. What did we expect? We allow our truly fucked in the head to run around without any help.

that isn't the problem. it's not keeping guns away from crazies, loons, and criminals.

it's harder to get a drivers license in some places than a gun license.

but we can pretend it's about mental institutions.

Further evidence that liberals are retarded. Gun ownership is a right, thereby no test can be given. And crazy people aren't the problem but guns, which we've always had, is?

No right is unlimited. If they were, then child pornography would be protected by the 1st amendment, as would religious human sacrifice.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The OP is complete and utter nonsense.

The Sandy Hook and Charleston shooters are examples of mentally ill people run amok.

No, the Charleston terrorist is a textbook example of domestic rightwing racist terrorism.

No, you are a textbook example of a brain-damaged Progressive Loon.

Then why don't you tell us what is an example of a domestic rightwing racist terrorist,

and then tell us why this guy is different.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Gun ownership is a right, thereby no test can be given.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Still has head way up ass and knows nothing about our Constitution. You really aren't worth reading.

Ironic!

 

[boedicca]

The OP is complete and utter nonsense.

The Sandy Hook and Charleston shooters are examples of mentally ill people run amok.

No, the Charleston terrorist is a textbook example of domestic rightwing racist terrorism.

No, you are a textbook example of a brain-damaged Progressive Loon.

Then why don't you tell us what is an example of a domestic rightwing racist terrorist,

and then tell us why this guy is different.

It's not TERRORISM. It was an isolated act by an evil and disturbed person. There is no Terrorist Network behind it.

There are Evil People in the world who do harm to others. Some are organized and conduct broad ranging terrorism (ISIS and their beheadings, burnings, and rapes), others are individuals acting in isolation.

Roof was the latter. It does a huge disservice to the issue to conflate both groups.

 

[2aguy]

The OP is complete and utter nonsense.

The Sandy Hook and Charleston shooters are examples of mentally ill people run amok.

No, the Charleston terrorist is a textbook example of domestic rightwing racist terrorism.

No, you are a textbook example of a brain-damaged Progressive Loon.

Then why don't you tell us what is an example of a domestic rightwing racist terrorist,

and then tell us why this guy is different.

The problem is the rightwing aren't racist...they may very well be anti government...but racism implies government action to enforce racist policies....so technically, racists who want to use the government to supress others are lefties since they want big government...see the nazis...they were racists and leftists.........and if this guy claims some connection to nazis, then he is a lefty...not a rightwinger.....

 

[boedicca]

The OP is complete and utter nonsense.

The Sandy Hook and Charleston shooters are examples of mentally ill people run amok.

No, the Charleston terrorist is a textbook example of domestic rightwing racist terrorism.

Considering he was an individual actor with no ties to any group at all......and almost all mass shooters are either straight out nuts or left wingers........that would be a very short textbook....moron....

Rightwing anti-abortion murderers and terrorists are almost always lone wolf types.

This guy HAS ties to every conservative racist in America. Including you.

Wow...you really are that ******* stupid.........how do you make it through life being that ******* stupid?

He lives with his parents.

 

[Derideo_Te]

The OP is complete and utter nonsense.

The Sandy Hook and Charleston shooters are examples of mentally ill people run amok.

No, the Charleston terrorist is a textbook example of domestic rightwing racist terrorism.

No, you are a textbook example of a brain-damaged Progressive Loon.

Then why don't you tell us what is an example of a domestic rightwing racist terrorist,

and then tell us why this guy is different.

It's not TERRORISM. It was an isolated act by an evil and disturbed person. There is no Terrorist Network behind it.

There are Evil People in the world who do harm to others. Some are organized and conduct broad ranging terrorism (ISIS and their beheadings, burnings, and rapes), others are individuals acting in isolation.

Roof was the latter. It does a huge disservice to the issue to conflate both groups.

It was an act of domestic terrorism by someone who belonged to the racist white supremacists movement.

 

[Clementine]

Knee-deep in blood: We are all being held hostage by Wayne LaPierre’s children

Brilliant piece on the continuing blood bath caused by the NRA.

Let us state for the record that there is critical mass of Americans in this country whose very existence is based upon ignorance, paranoia, racism, seething hatred, bitterness, and bigotry. They can’t get up in the morning unless they have someone to hate or look down upon, because that is what lifts them up and makes their world seem not so shitty.

And occasionally this animating animus bubbles up to the surface and racist all-cap rants on Facebook won’t make the pain go away — and there is the NRA is standing by with, as they say at the hardware stores: “the right tool for the right job.”

Because Wayne LaPierre’s terrorist-enabling organization does their damndest to make sure weapons are unregulated, cheap, and plentiful, practically any U.S. citizen can settle any trifling argument with as little as three pounds of pressure on a trigger.

• The mother of Adam Lanza — who had severe emotional problems — kept her home stocked with multiple weapons and thought it would be a good idea to bring her son out of his shell by teaching him how to shoot. How did that work out? 26 people dead at Sandy Hook — 20 of whom we’re children 7-years-old or younger. Also: Nancy Lanza. Adam Lanza brought a shotgun, an AR15 assault weapon, and two handguns with him to the elementary school.
• Elliot Rodgers of Santa Barbara couldn’t get laid and hated women. His solution: he killed 6 people and wounded fourteen others. His weapons of choice: 3 handguns, all purchased legally under the benevolent gaze of Wayne LaPierre.
• Craig Stephen Hicks had a parking dispute with some Muslim students near the campus of University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He executed all three of them with a shot to the head. He liked to carry his .38 on his hip, because he was an open-carry enthusiast.
• Another open-carry enthusiast –Alex Kozak — sexually harassed a woman at the mall where he worked. After losing his job, he returned to the mall with his 9mm and shot 20-year-old Andrea Farrington 3-times. In the back.
• And now Dylann Storm Roof sat in a predominately black church in Charleston, South Carolina, before opening fire and killing nine African-Americans, explaining, “You rape our women and you’re taking over our country — and you have to go.” Dylann had a history of brushes with the law, was arrested in February on drug charges in addition to being kicked out of a mall for acting “weird,” and was described by his uncle as a “loner” who stayed cooped up in his room. He was given a .45 handgun in April for his birthday. By his father.

The NRA is not solely to blame here, although they certainly believe they are 100 percent in the clear because, hey, who can possibly know what people are going to do with a fine piece of machinery designed to kill? You also have idiot parents who think weapons can be therapeutic or might make swell gifts for their oddball kids.

But the NRA, under LaPierre, has its blood-soaked hands smudging-up every attempt at passing laws that might slow down our national genocide, including recently stopping a law that would have kept guns out of the hands of domestic abusers in Louisiana.

I’ll say it again, and I’ll never stop saying it: It’s Wayne LaPierre’s world — and we’re just dying in it.

Put this on t-shirts and sell them at gun shows.

BULLSHIT!!

It's the gangs in cities that cause most of the bloodshed and I bet the majority are not NRA members or even have the guns legally.

I am so sick of the left pouncing on these tragedies and trying to hang them on the NRA and gun owners. It's not a gun problem, it's a problem with people's mentality. The non-NRA members are far more dangerous.

As long as we have these lunatics out there, I want to own a gun to protect myself from them. If you liberals would rather wait for police, even though you guys don't trust them, that is your business. Stay the hell away from my rights.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The OP is complete and utter nonsense.

The Sandy Hook and Charleston shooters are examples of mentally ill people run amok.

No, the Charleston terrorist is a textbook example of domestic rightwing racist terrorism.

No, you are a textbook example of a brain-damaged Progressive Loon.

Then why don't you tell us what is an example of a domestic rightwing racist terrorist,

and then tell us why this guy is different.

It's not TERRORISM. It was an isolated act by an evil and disturbed person. There is no Terrorist Network behind it.

There are Evil People in the world who do harm to others. Some are organized and conduct broad ranging terrorism (ISIS and their beheadings, burnings, and rapes), others are individuals acting in isolation.

Roof was the latter. It does a huge disservice to the issue to conflate both groups.

Since when does terrorism require a network?

Give us an example of rightwing domestic terrorism that proves this guy did something so different that he can't possible be considered a rightwing terrorist.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The OP is complete and utter nonsense.

The Sandy Hook and Charleston shooters are examples of mentally ill people run amok.

No, the Charleston terrorist is a textbook example of domestic rightwing racist terrorism.

No, you are a textbook example of a brain-damaged Progressive Loon.

Then why don't you tell us what is an example of a domestic rightwing racist terrorist,

and then tell us why this guy is different.

It's not TERRORISM. It was an isolated act by an evil and disturbed person. There is no Terrorist Network behind it.

There are Evil People in the world who do harm to others. Some are organized and conduct broad ranging terrorism (ISIS and their beheadings, burnings, and rapes), others are individuals acting in isolation.

Roof was the latter. It does a huge disservice to the issue to conflate both groups.

Is that why we never hear any racist comments from conservatives on this board? lolol

 

[NYcarbineer]

Knee-deep in blood: We are all being held hostage by Wayne LaPierre’s children

Brilliant piece on the continuing blood bath caused by the NRA.

Let us state for the record that there is critical mass of Americans in this country whose very existence is based upon ignorance, paranoia, racism, seething hatred, bitterness, and bigotry. They can’t get up in the morning unless they have someone to hate or look down upon, because that is what lifts them up and makes their world seem not so shitty.

And occasionally this animating animus bubbles up to the surface and racist all-cap rants on Facebook won’t make the pain go away — and there is the NRA is standing by with, as they say at the hardware stores: “the right tool for the right job.”

Because Wayne LaPierre’s terrorist-enabling organization does their damndest to make sure weapons are unregulated, cheap, and plentiful, practically any U.S. citizen can settle any trifling argument with as little as three pounds of pressure on a trigger.

• The mother of Adam Lanza — who had severe emotional problems — kept her home stocked with multiple weapons and thought it would be a good idea to bring her son out of his shell by teaching him how to shoot. How did that work out? 26 people dead at Sandy Hook — 20 of whom we’re children 7-years-old or younger. Also: Nancy Lanza. Adam Lanza brought a shotgun, an AR15 assault weapon, and two handguns with him to the elementary school.
• Elliot Rodgers of Santa Barbara couldn’t get laid and hated women. His solution: he killed 6 people and wounded fourteen others. His weapons of choice: 3 handguns, all purchased legally under the benevolent gaze of Wayne LaPierre.
• Craig Stephen Hicks had a parking dispute with some Muslim students near the campus of University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He executed all three of them with a shot to the head. He liked to carry his .38 on his hip, because he was an open-carry enthusiast.
• Another open-carry enthusiast –Alex Kozak — sexually harassed a woman at the mall where he worked. After losing his job, he returned to the mall with his 9mm and shot 20-year-old Andrea Farrington 3-times. In the back.
• And now Dylann Storm Roof sat in a predominately black church in Charleston, South Carolina, before opening fire and killing nine African-Americans, explaining, “You rape our women and you’re taking over our country — and you have to go.” Dylann had a history of brushes with the law, was arrested in February on drug charges in addition to being kicked out of a mall for acting “weird,” and was described by his uncle as a “loner” who stayed cooped up in his room. He was given a .45 handgun in April for his birthday. By his father.

The NRA is not solely to blame here, although they certainly believe they are 100 percent in the clear because, hey, who can possibly know what people are going to do with a fine piece of machinery designed to kill? You also have idiot parents who think weapons can be therapeutic or might make swell gifts for their oddball kids.

But the NRA, under LaPierre, has its blood-soaked hands smudging-up every attempt at passing laws that might slow down our national genocide, including recently stopping a law that would have kept guns out of the hands of domestic abusers in Louisiana.

I’ll say it again, and I’ll never stop saying it: It’s Wayne LaPierre’s world — and we’re just dying in it.

Put this on t-shirts and sell them at gun shows.

BULLSHIT!!

It's the gangs in cities that cause most of the bloodshed and I bet the majority are not NRA members or even have the guns legally.

I am so sick of the left pouncing on these tragedies and trying to hang them on the NRA and gun owners. It's not a gun problem, it's a problem with people's mentality. The non-NRA members are far more dangerous.

As long as we have these lunatics out there, I want to own a gun to protect myself from them. If you liberals would rather wait for police, even though you guys don't trust them, that is your business. Stay the hell away from my rights.

Yes, one. When has Barack Obama ever taken the position that citizens in America should not have the right to own guns?

 

[Anathema]

No, the Charleston terrorist is a textbook example of domestic rightwing racist terrorism.

Take away the racist portion and that's something we need much more of in thus country.

 

[Anathema]

Yes, one. When has Barack Obama ever taken the position that citizens in America should not have the right to own guns?

When he has repeatedly noted that he would sign a new Assault Weapons Bill if it were to come to his desk.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I'll admit that closing down the mental hospitals was a really stupid move. What did we expect? We allow our truly fucked in the head to run around without any help.

that isn't the problem. it's not keeping guns away from crazies, loons, and criminals.

it's harder to get a drivers license in some places than a gun license.

but we can pretend it's about mental institutions.

Not true. Felons can get Driver's licenses. The mentally adjudicated can get a driver's licence. Neither can get a gun permit or buy a gun, depending on the local requirements.

the NRA doesn't believe in registering guns or in having to be screened or any safety requirements.

Not entirely true Jillian. While the NRA does not support registering guns, they DO support keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, felons, etc. If Congress were to come up with a national background check system that didn't have gun registration as a part of the check, there are few who would oppose that. Basically the people feel, and I agree with them, the government has no business knowing what you have. If I decide that I am going to sell one of my guns I have a large group of people I know who will want it. Furthermore I know who they are.

However, many people don't have the contacts that I do, so they sell their weapons at garage sales and gun shows etc. I would totally love to see a system where they could call up the police and have a background check done on the person trying to buy a gun in those situations. So long as there is no gun registry at the same time. 90% of the gun owners I know, feel likewise.

Here in this State the number of criminals who attempt to buy weapons through gun stores is very small because unlike CA where when a felon who attempts to buy a weapon is merely denied, here in Nevada they get arrested for the attempt, because it IS against the law for a felon to possess weapons.

And yet if I had written this same post we could expect a large hue and cry about the Second Amendment. How much more of a reach would it be, if any, for each state to have the authority to require any person who wanted to own, possess or have in their custody and control a gun a license? Or any city or county?

Those who have this abnormal fear of the Federal Government might be more in tune with this concept than one where the registry of those ineligible to own, etc. a firearm is in the hands of Federal Authorities.

Isn't it a states right to protect it's citizens if a clear and present danger is found to exist? If a state believes the clear and present danger does not exist, or decides arming citizens is in the best interests of the state - so be it. Let the Red States set their own rules, and let the more civilized ones too.

 

[2aguy]

I'll admit that closing down the mental hospitals was a really stupid move. What did we expect? We allow our truly fucked in the head to run around without any help.

that isn't the problem. it's not keeping guns away from crazies, loons, and criminals.

it's harder to get a drivers license in some places than a gun license.

but we can pretend it's about mental institutions.

Not true. Felons can get Driver's licenses. The mentally adjudicated can get a driver's licence. Neither can get a gun permit or buy a gun, depending on the local requirements.

the NRA doesn't believe in registering guns or in having to be screened or any safety requirements.

Not entirely true Jillian. While the NRA does not support registering guns, they DO support keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, felons, etc. If Congress were to come up with a national background check system that didn't have gun registration as a part of the check, there are few who would oppose that. Basically the people feel, and I agree with them, the government has no business knowing what you have. If I decide that I am going to sell one of my guns I have a large group of people I know who will want it. Furthermore I know who they are.

However, many people don't have the contacts that I do, so they sell their weapons at garage sales and gun shows etc. I would totally love to see a system where they could call up the police and have a background check done on the person trying to buy a gun in those situations. So long as there is no gun registry at the same time. 90% of the gun owners I know, feel likewise.

Here in this State the number of criminals who attempt to buy weapons through gun stores is very small because unlike CA where when a felon who attempts to buy a weapon is merely denied, here in Nevada they get arrested for the attempt, because it IS against the law for a felon to possess weapons.

And yet if I had written this same post we could expect a large hue and cry about the Second Amendment. How much more of a reach would it be, if any, for each state to have the authority to require any person who wanted to own, possess or have in their custody and control a gun a license? Or any city or county?

Those who have this abnormal fear of the Federal Government might be more in tune with this concept than one where the registry of those ineligible to own, etc. a firearm is in the hands of Federal Authorities.

Isn't it a states right to protect it's citizens if a clear and present danger is found to exist? If a state believes the clear and present danger does not exist, or decides arming citizens is in the best interests of the state - so be it. Let the Red States set their own rules, and let the more civilized ones too.

You guys have still failed to show how licensing law abiding gun owners would stop crime or mass shootings....considering the list of mass shooters who passed background checks...they would have been able to get your "license" as well....and then gone on to kill....

And regular criminals....get their guns through straw purchases and stealing...again...it makes licensing law abiding gun owners pointless....if someone is willing to buy a gun for a felon..he is already committing a felony of his own...so he then registers the gun...and then gives the gun to the felon...he reports it stolen or lost....the license for that non law abiding citizen did not stop the criminal...did it?

And not to mention the guns that are stolen....drug user breaks into a home or a car and steals the gun....the law abiding citizen who was required to get a license...got the license...but it does nothing to stop that thief....does it...?

Why are you guys so obsessed with licensing people who don't break the law.....?

Right now...without licensing anyone...if a criminal commits a crime with a gun....he can be arrested and jailed....dittos a criminal simply caught in possession of a gun....arrested and jailed.....

And no need to license law abiding citizens.....so why is it so important to you guys to license law abiding citizens for guns...since it was just shown to be pointless for stopping gun crimes and mass shooters.....

 

[Wry Catcher]

I'll admit that closing down the mental hospitals was a really stupid move. What did we expect? We allow our truly fucked in the head to run around without any help.

that isn't the problem. it's not keeping guns away from crazies, loons, and criminals.

it's harder to get a drivers license in some places than a gun license.

but we can pretend it's about mental institutions.

Why do I need gun license anyways?

To keep guns out of the hands of violent criminals, child abuser, gangsters, paranoid schizophrenics, and others who the legislature of the State within which you reside decide should not own, possess or have in their custody or control a gun.

Then, as a responsible gun owner you can sell a gun knowing that the person you have sold the weapon to is less likely to pull off a mass murder, use it in a robbery or kill someone over an argument. It's all about Personal responsibility.

 

[2aguy]

I'll admit that closing down the mental hospitals was a really stupid move. What did we expect? We allow our truly fucked in the head to run around without any help.

that isn't the problem. it's not keeping guns away from crazies, loons, and criminals.

it's harder to get a drivers license in some places than a gun license.

but we can pretend it's about mental institutions.

Not true. Felons can get Driver's licenses. The mentally adjudicated can get a driver's licence. Neither can get a gun permit or buy a gun, depending on the local requirements.

the NRA doesn't believe in registering guns or in having to be screened or any safety requirements.

Not entirely true Jillian. While the NRA does not support registering guns, they DO support keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, felons, etc. If Congress were to come up with a national background check system that didn't have gun registration as a part of the check, there are few who would oppose that. Basically the people feel, and I agree with them, the government has no business knowing what you have. If I decide that I am going to sell one of my guns I have a large group of people I know who will want it. Furthermore I know who they are.

However, many people don't have the contacts that I do, so they sell their weapons at garage sales and gun shows etc. I would totally love to see a system where they could call up the police and have a background check done on the person trying to buy a gun in those situations. So long as there is no gun registry at the same time. 90% of the gun owners I know, feel likewise.

Here in this State the number of criminals who attempt to buy weapons through gun stores is very small because unlike CA where when a felon who attempts to buy a weapon is merely denied, here in Nevada they get arrested for the attempt, because it IS against the law for a felon to possess weapons.

And yet if I had written this same post we could expect a large hue and cry about the Second Amendment. How much more of a reach would it be, if any, for each state to have the authority to require any person who wanted to own, possess or have in their custody and control a gun a license? Or any city or county?

Those who have this abnormal fear of the Federal Government might be more in tune with this concept than one where the registry of those ineligible to own, etc. a firearm is in the hands of Federal Authorities.

Isn't it a states right to protect it's citizens if a clear and present danger is found to exist? If a state believes the clear and present danger does not exist, or decides arming citizens is in the best interests of the state - so be it. Let the Red States set their own rules, and let the more civilized ones too.

And no WryCatcher...you would not have a complaint.....I agree with Westwall...we don't mind the dumb background checks that don't work...we can live with them....they seem to make you guys happy.....as long as they do not keep a record and are quick and easy.....

Do you acknowledge that they do not stop criminals from getting guns?

 

[2aguy]

I'll admit that closing down the mental hospitals was a really stupid move. What did we expect? We allow our truly fucked in the head to run around without any help.

that isn't the problem. it's not keeping guns away from crazies, loons, and criminals.

it's harder to get a drivers license in some places than a gun license.

but we can pretend it's about mental institutions.

Why do I need gun license anyways?

To keep guns out of the hands of violent criminals, child abuser, gangsters, paranoid schizophrenics, and others who the legislature of the State within which you reside decide should not own, possess or have in their custody or control a gun.

Then, as a responsible gun owner you can sell a gun knowing that the person you have sold the weapon to is less likely to pull off a mass murder or kill someone over an argument. It's all about Personal responsibility.

you do realize that all the mass shooters passed background checks or avoided them...so the ones who passed background checks would also have been able to get a gun license...right? And they would still have committed the mass shooting....

Therefore the license was pointless...

And the ones who didn't pass the background checks....the columbine teenagers who couldn't legally but he weapons they used, would also by pass the licensing process as well...right...and would still have committed their mass shootings....

Again...the license would be pointless...


I have shown that gun licensing law abiding people will not keep guns out of the hands of criminals....if a criminal is caught with a gun, your violent criminal, child abuser (convicted right?) gangsters, all will be arrested if they are caught with a gun and no license is needed to do it...

The nuts....if we could trust you guys not to abuse the system you would have more support...we don't trust you.....you would turn any mental health check into a way to keep guns out of the hands of anyone who ever saw a mental health professional...like the soldier denied his gun rights because he had insomnia.....

 

[OKTexas]

Why do you keep bringing up the NRA,

Didn't you read the OP?

This thread topic is about the bloodthirsty NRA.

Funny, the post you replied to of mine had nothing to do with them except where I said I wasn't a member. Why did you ignore the remainder of the post you just quoted out of context. Got nothing to say?