"Kilmar Abrego Garcia is alive and secure but is under the sovereign, domestic authority of El Salvador"

[WorldWatcher]

You should read your links before you post them:

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He was granted the "right" not to be deported to El Salvador, not to stay in the U.S. So, had they found a third country, there would have been no general hold on deportations to be lifted.

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So - at best for the side of the gang members and Democrats - Abrego Garcia should be left in El Salvador until a third country can be found that will accept him - assuming that El Salvador is willing to let him go..

You know that's exactly what I've been saying in the whole FREAK'N thread right?

That Asylum was denided, that a hold on deportation to El Salvador was GRANTED, and that all the 2019 Trump Administration had to so was comply with 8 USC 1231. Find a 3rd party country, get the hold lifted, and then deport him.

Any suggestions as to what country that might be?

Chile, Argentiana, Brazil, Peru, Britian, Scotland, Ireland, Germany, France, Italy, Greece, ...

Should I keep adding to the list? I'm sure the Trump Administration has - you know - embassies around the world. Put out an email have the Embassy check, report back.

And yes. If El Salvador does want to send him to the United States, the Administration is under Supreme Court order to facilitate that move.

We'll see how this continues to play out.

If he survives, or if he doesn't, his wife and children through are going to have great case for a civil suit. Which will probably cost the US Governemnt a lot more than $6 Million.

WW

 

[Lesh]

They are only required to "facilitate" his "return."

If El Salvador does not want to send their citizen to the U.S., there is no return to facilitate.

The Trump Administration would only run afoul of that order, if El Salvador tried to sent him to the United States (not "back" to the United States), and the U.S. did not help.

What has the Trump Admin done to facilitate his return?

Nothing

 

[excalibur]

If the president can get someone on a plane and fly out of US airspace before a judge can issue a written order to stop them, the president can now make anyone disappear.

That’s what you want.

You sound worried. Bye.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Let El Salvador keep him, we have enough illegal, malcontents and gang issues

 

[excalibur]

You think it’s funny? He wasn’t a gang member and the Trump administration admired that him being sent there was an “administrative error”

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At a bond hearing, the immigration judge found that Abrego Garcia presented a danger to his community and that he had failed to refute the evidence that showed he was a verified member of MS-13. IJ Bond Order, ECF No. 11-1, at 2–3. ​

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That evidence included that a “past, proven, and​

reliable source of information” had verified Abrego Garcia’s membership in​

MS-13, his rank, and his gang name. Id. ​

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The court denied bond. Id.; see also​

BIA Opinion, ECF No. 11-2, at 1–2 (adopting and affirming IJ Bond Order,​

specifically finding no clear error in its dangerousness finding). Separately,​

the immigration court found Abrego Garcia removable, given that Abrego5​

Garcia had “admitted” that he entered the country illegally and that he was​

removable “as charged.” Final Removal Order 1–2.​

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https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca4.178258/gov.uscourts.ca4.178258.3.1.pdf

 

[Seymour Flops]

You know that's exactly what I've been saying in the whole FREAK'N thread right?

That Asylum was denided, that a hold on deportation to El Salvador was GRANTED, and that all the 2019 Trump Administration had to so was comply with 8 USC 1231. Find a 3rd party country, get the hold lifted, and then deport him.

Maybe That is what you meant to say. What you did say was:

The judge denied aslyum, but GRANTED a hold on deportation finding there was a creditable fear of death

If you meant to say a hold on deportation to el salvador, fine.

Chile, Argentiana, Brazil, Peru, Britian, Scotland, Ireland, Germany, France, Italy, Greece, ...

Those countries have agreed to accept him? or gang members in general?

if so, that is fine so long as they will keep him secure, so he doesn't come right back to the united states.

Should I keep adding to the list? I'm sure the Trump Administration has - you know - embassies around the world. Put out an email have the Embassy check, report back.

I guess you could do that, but I really would like to see your evidence that any of those countries are willing to take gang members who illegally immigrated to the united states. If you are just throwing out random countries just to have an answer fine, just admit it.

We'll see how this continues to play out.

If he survives, or if he doesn't, his wife and children through are going to have great case for a civil suit. Which will probably cost the US Governemnt a lot more than $6 Million.

WW

I know the Biden administration paid off some lawsuits that they encouraged people to bring for things that happened during the Trump administration. Maybe that will happen again if a Democrat is ever elected President again.

I don't see the Trump administration or whichever trumper wins in 2026, giving that pay off. I sure don't see a jury giving an award like that to an illegal alien gang member's family

 

[WorldWatcher]

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At a bond hearing, the immigration judge found that Abrego Garcia presented a danger to his community and that he had failed to refute the evidence that showed he was a verified member of MS-13. IJ Bond Order, ECF No. 11-1, at 2–3. ​

​

That evidence included that a “past, proven, and​

reliable source of information” had verified Abrego Garcia’s membership in​

MS-13, his rank, and his gang name. Id. ​

​

The court denied bond. Id.; see also​

BIA Opinion, ECF No. 11-2, at 1–2 (adopting and affirming IJ Bond Order,​

specifically finding no clear error in its dangerousness finding). Separately,​

the immigration court found Abrego Garcia removable, given that Abrego5​

Garcia had “admitted” that he entered the country illegally and that he was​

removable “as charged.” Final Removal Order 1–2.​

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https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca4.178258/gov.uscourts.ca4.178258.3.1.pdf

Now quote the judges ruling and not false information submitted by the government.

Then quote the SCOTUS ruling where they sided with the judge (meaning they didn’t believe the governments pleading) where the government was to return Abrego Garcia.

WW

 

[fncceo]

He was here and did not commit a crime.

Except for entering the country illegally, staying in the country illegally, both Federal crimes.

 

[excalibur]

Now quote the judges ruling and not false information submitted by the government.

Then quote the SCOTUS ruling where they sided with the judge (meaning they didn’t believe the governments pleading) where the government was to return Abrego Garcia.

WW

LOL

They quote from the immigration judge ruling in 2019.

You are confused.

Bye.

 

[WorldWatcher]

LOL

They quote from the immigration judge ruling in 2019.

You are confused.

Bye.

The quoted from the bond hearing, not the asylum hearing which was the final hearing in the case.

The judge denied asylum, but ordered a hold on deportation. The Trump administration just needed to comply with 8 USC 1231 to effect a deportion to a country other than El Salvador. They did nothing, released him, and issued him a legal work permit.

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[excalibur]

The quoted from the bond hearing, not the asylum hearing which was the final hearing in the case.

The judge denied asylum, but ordered a hold on deportation. The Trump administration just needed to comply with 8 USC 1231 to effect a deportion to a country other than El Salvador. They did nothing, released him, and issued him a legal work permit.

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The withholding was solely from El Salvador; INA § 241(b)(3), Restriction on removal to a country where alien's life or freedom would be threatened. He is deportable to any other country. Send him to the U. S. Embassy in El Salvador, then deport him elsewhere.

And that has nothing to do with him having been adjudicated as MS-13, which he was, and was upheld by BIA.

 

[TimFitz]

Try answering the questions, instead of just ranting.

What "fix" do you have in mind for Kilmar Abrego Garcia?

Would you like to go back to Biden's policies, as we would have if your candidate had won? Border crossing have fallen off to a trickle after literally thousands a day were streaming over - and being given quasi-legal status - under Biden. You want to go back to those thousands?

He should be returned to the United States and be subject to due process under the law.

 

[Seymour Flops]

He should be returned to the United States and be subject to due process under the law.

Would you be OK if he were immediately deported under the expedited removal law?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Would you be OK if he were immediately deported under the expedited removal law?

Immediately after an immigration hearing lifting the hold order from 2019 where the government presents their evidence and the defendent is allowed to submit counter evidence and the status determined based on the case from an Immigration Judge?

Sure.

Just MHO.

WW

 

[TimFitz]

Would you be OK if he were immediately deported under the expedited removal law?

Not according to the Supreme Court.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Immediately after an immigration hearing lifting the hold order from 2019 where the government presents their evidence and the defendent is allowed to submit counter evidence and the status determined based on the case from an Immigration Judge?

Sure.

Just MHO.

WW

Are you and Timfitz the same person IRL?

Just as I expected, you are interested in slowing down the process as much as humanly possible. You have zero interest in ridding the country of foreign verified gang members.

Enjoy the Kilmar show, meanwhile hundreds of violent gang members are being deported with the media being so distracted by this particular golden boy that they have no time to instruct you to be outraged by them.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Not according to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court said to give him "due process." Expedited removal is the due process under our laws.

 

[Lesh]

The withholding was solely from El Salvador; INA § 241(b)(3), Restriction on removal to a country where alien's life or freedom would be threatened. He is deportable to any other country. Send him to the U. S. Embassy in El Salvador, then deport him elsewhere.

And that has nothing to do with him having been adjudicated as MS-13, which he was, and was upheld by BIA.

The withholding was from El Salvador. Where is he? El Salvador

 

[Lesh]

The Supreme Court said to give him "due process." Expedited removal is the due process under our laws.

It is not that’s ridiculous

 

[Leo123]

Why isn't the Admin trying to bring him back?

Maybe because he is an illegal, alien, gang banger?