keys to the kingdom

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which Jesus explained was a metaphor for accepting his WORDS and acting on it.

No, he didn't. Would you like some more of your coin now?

 

[hobelim]

So now you transfigured from Jesus to Pontious Pilate, eh? That's some heavy sorcery right there.


Mark 14:

22. While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.”

You and I were discussing the last supper in the gospel according to John. Pay attention!

 

[Ace Nova]

You and I were discussing the last supper in the gospel according to John. Pay attention!

No, we were not. I quite literally said I prefer the other Gospels when discussing specific wording and semantics. And I have been quoting Mark.

 

[hobelim]

I don't persecute orr Victimize the innocent.

Have you ever told a child that they must eat a pice of bread that the church calls the Body of Christ and eat it on their knees during mass which is both idolatry and blasphemy? If so you are guilty of the murder of an innocent child if not the ritual slaughter of many children.

Where are Adam and Eve now?

Seriously?

They remain on the pages of a fairy tale. You should try to learn the lessons that Hebrew children were expected to understand and learn many thousands of years ago professor.

 

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You and I were discussing the last supper in the gospel according to John. Pay attention!

You have to read all four gospels none of which portray it as a metaphor.

Each Gospel presents the body and blood of Christ primarily through the Last Supper as the foundation of the New Covenant, though with distinct theological emphases. Mark and Matthew emphasize the sacrificial blood poured out for many; Luke highlights the Eucharist as a memorial and covenant; and John focuses on the spiritual consumption of his flesh and blood for eternal life. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Matthew: The Sacrificial King

• Body & Blood: Matthew 26:26-28 emphasizes that the blood is "poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
• Emphasis: As a Jewish-focused Gospel, Matthew links the blood to the sacrificial system, highlighting Jesus as the messianic king who fulfills prophecy and atones for sins. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Mark: The Suffering Servant [1]

• Body & Blood: Mark 14:22-24 provides the most concise account, focusing on the blood of the "covenant" shed for many.
• Emphasis: Mark highlights the immediate physical cost and the servant nature of Christ's sacrifice, emphasizing his blood as the ultimate, redeeming offering. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Luke: The Universal Savior

• Body & Blood: Luke 22:19-20 highlights the covenant in the blood. He is the only Gospel writer (along with Paul) to quote Jesus saying, "Do this in remembrance of me". [1, 2]
• Emphasis: Luke emphasizes the "social" or communal aspect of the body and blood—a "new covenant" that brings liberation and is meant to be partaken in remembrance. [1, 2, 3]

John: The Living Bread and Deity

• Body & Blood: John does not include the institution of the bread and wine at the Last Supper, but in Chapter 6 ("Bread of Life" discourse), he explicitly states, "Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life". [1]
• Emphasis: John emphasizes the theological reality that the body/blood is true spiritual nourishment, emphasizing Jesus as the divine Son of God who gives life to the world. [1, 2]

Key Similarities:

• Eucharistic Roots: All four Gospels (often through the lens of early church tradition) show the Last Supper as crucial to understanding the body/blood. [1, 2]
• Sacrificial Reality: All view the death of Jesus as a physical, necessary sacrifice (blood/flesh) that unites believers to God and offers salvation. [1, 2, 3, 4]

 

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Have you ever told a child that they must eat a pice of bread that the church calls the Body of Christ and eat it on their knees during mass which is both idolatry and blasphemy? If so you are guilty of the murder of an innocent child if not the ritual slaughter of many children.


Seriously? They remain in the pages of a fairy tale. You should try to learn the lessons that Hebrew children were expected to understand and learn many thousands of years ago.

How can your belief in an imaginary God lead to idolatry?

Would you like some more coin?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I agree. But that is the problem. Grown men and women in government claim to believe that these biblical stories are to be taken literally and have usurped position of authority with the specific intent to impose their perverse view of the world on everyone else, including you.

By exposing their pretense their false claim to moral authority flew out the window. Who in their right mind would vote into office a person who doesn't have the sense of a 6 year old?

I hope you don't mind.

No, I agree, and I guarantee plenty of atheists and agnostics are pretending to be religious, when they run for office.

But someone is going to win the election. So choose your favorite 6 year old.

 

[hobelim]

You have to read all four gospels none of which portray it as a metaphor.

Each Gospel presents the body and blood of Christ primarily through the Last Supper as the foundation of the New Covenant, though with distinct theological emphases. Mark and Matthew emphasize the sacrificial blood poured out for many; Luke highlights the Eucharist as a memorial and covenant; and John focuses on the spiritual consumption of his flesh and blood for eternal life. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Matthew: The Sacrificial King

• Body & Blood: Matthew 26:26-28 emphasizes that the blood is "poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
• Emphasis: As a Jewish-focused Gospel, Matthew links the blood to the sacrificial system, highlighting Jesus as the messianic king who fulfills prophecy and atones for sins. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Mark: The Suffering Servant [1]

• Body & Blood: Mark 14:22-24 provides the most concise account, focusing on the blood of the "covenant" shed for many.
• Emphasis: Mark highlights the immediate physical cost and the servant nature of Christ's sacrifice, emphasizing his blood as the ultimate, redeeming offering. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Luke: The Universal Savior

• Body & Blood: Luke 22:19-20 highlights the covenant in the blood. He is the only Gospel writer (along with Paul) to quote Jesus saying, "Do this in remembrance of me". [1, 2]
• Emphasis: Luke emphasizes the "social" or communal aspect of the body and blood—a "new covenant" that brings liberation and is meant to be partaken in remembrance. [1, 2, 3]

John: The Living Bread and Deity

• Body & Blood: John does not include the institution of the bread and wine at the Last Supper, but in Chapter 6 ("Bread of Life" discourse), he explicitly states, "Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life". [1]
• Emphasis: John emphasizes the theological reality that the body/blood is true spiritual nourishment, emphasizing Jesus as the divine Son of God who gives life to the world. [1, 2]

Key Similarities:

• Eucharistic Roots: All four Gospels (often through the lens of early church tradition) show the Last Supper as crucial to understanding the body/blood. [1, 2]
• Sacrificial Reality: All view the death of Jesus as a physical, necessary sacrifice (blood/flesh) that unites believers to God and offers salvation. [1, 2, 3, 4]

"He censures those who understood our Lord's words after the letter, (literally), as if they were to eat the carnal body. He expounds the spiritual thing which gives life as to be understood by the text: "the words that I speak unto you, they are both spirit and life."

His word is the life-giving principle, therefore he called his flesh by the same appellation, so we are to "devour Him with the ear, ruminate on Him with the understanding, and digest Him by faith."

Tertullian. Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. III

 

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atheists and agnostics are pretending to be religious

Just like hobelim.

 

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"He censures those who understood our Lord's words after the letter, (literally), as if they were to eat the carnal body. He expounds the spiritual thing which gives life as to be understood by the text: "the words that I speak unto you, they are both spirit and life."

His word is the life-giving principle, therefore he called his flesh by the same appellation, so we are to "devour Him with the ear, ruminate on Him with the understanding, and digest Him by faith."

Tertullian. Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. III

Tell me more about this non-supernatural god of yours.

 

[Ace Nova]

Have you ever told a child that they must eat a pice of bread that the church calls the Body of Christ and eat it on their knees during mass which is both idolatry and blasphemy? If so you are guilty of the murder of an innocent child if not the ritual slaughter of many children.


Seriously?

They remain on the pages of a fairy tale. You should try to learn the lessons that Hebrew children were expected to understand and learn many thousands of years ago professor.

No ritual slaughter of anyone - quite the opposite.

That question was not directed at you.

Why are you here if you believe it is all a fairy tail?

 

[BreezeWood]

I don't persecute orr Victimize the innocent.

Where are Adam and Eve now?

provide the commandment tablets from the heavens you claim and use to persecute and victimize the innocent.

when haven't the desert religions been at the forefront to persecute and victimize the innocent throughout history ... using their madeup commandments to do so.

- the bible belt of america escapes your attention.

 

[hobelim]

No ritual slaughter of anyone - quite the opposite.

Nonsense. You may not realize this being such a believer and all but your Church teaches children at the age of reason to memorize the ten commandments before confirmation, the first being to not worship the lifeless work of human hands under penalty of death, a curse, descent into hell, Gehenna, and ultimately destruction. True? Then for those children to become a confirmed Catholic they must defy the first command, get down on their knees to worship and eat a lifeless matzo made by human hands for spiritual life. True?

This Church initiation practice amounts to the intentional ruthless ritual slaughter of innocent children since the penalty for defying the first command is death, which makes you a murderer, if not, at best, complicit in the ritual slaughter of the innocents, and as guilty as sin.

Its math dude.

 

[hobelim]

Why are you here if you believe it is all a fairy tail?

I had high hopes that people sleeping in the dust of the earth would awaken and rise from their graves after learning they have been deceived and possessed by devils for their entire lives who taught them that the fantastical stories in the Bible that amount to fairy tales were literal accounts of historical events. When I first heard the story of A&E in the second grade and a crafty talking serpent was introduced I knew it was like a fairy tale immediately. So I thought that full grown adult "believers" with a modicum of education would also be able to comprehend this simple truth and instead of claiming to "just believe" there was a magical time in the past when snakes could talk derp they would try to comprehend the hard learned lessons of the past intended to be understood by Hebrew children thousands of years ago, and by doing so realize that they support pay homage to and elected to lead this country this so called beacon of light THE EPITOME OF THAT TALKING SERPENT OF OLD cast out that devil from the lofty place he usurped through corruption brainwashing and bribery and spend the rest of their lives repenting which would make this world a much better place.

Needless to say, I was wrong. More people than I thought are phony pieces of shit like you.

Seriously.

If it is wrong to worship the stars, the moon, the earth, people, animals, or anything that God has made, how much more wrong, EVIL, is it to worship what was made by human hands? How hard is that to understand? How hard is that to believe? How hard is that to accept?

And you are trying to dispute this? WTF!

Do you fantasize being a heroic defender of the faith by taking a swan dive into the abyss?

Nice form! Stupendous thrilling emotional performance! Pushing the boundaries of WTF!

I'm sure that both God and Jesus are very impressed.

I am.

 

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I had high hopes that people sleeping in the dust of the earth would awaken and rise from their graves after learning they have been deceived and possessed by devils for their entire lives who taught them that the fantastical stories in the Bible that amount to fairy tales were literal accounts of historical events. When I first heard the story of A&E in the second grade and a crafty talking serpent was introduced I knew it was like a fairy tale immediately. So I thought that full grown adult "believers" with a modicum of education would also be able to comprehend this simple truth and instead of claiming to "just believe" there was a magical time in the past when snakes could talk derp they would try to comprehend the hard learned lessons of the past intended to be understood by Hebrew children thousands of years ago, and by doing so realize that they support pay homage to and elected to lead this country this so called beacon of light THE EPITOME OF THAT TALKING SERPENT OF OLD cast out that devil from the lofty place he usurped through corruption brainwashing and bribery and spend the rest of their lives repenting which would make this world a much better place.

Needless to say, I was wrong. More people than I thought are phony pieces of shit like you.

Seriously.

If it is wrong to worship the stars, the moon, the earth, people, animals, or anything that God has made, how much more wrong, EVIL, is it to worship what was made by human hands? How hard is that to understand? How hard is that to believe? How hard is that to accept?

And you are trying to dispute this? WTF!

Do you fantasize being a heroic defender of the faith by taking a swan dive into the abyss?

Nice form! Stupendous thrilling emotional performance! Pushing the boundaries of WTF!

I'm sure that both God and Jesus are very impressed.

I am.

You don't believe in the supernatural so your words are lies.

 

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when haven't the desert religions been at the forefront to persecute and victimize the innocent throughout history ... using their madeup commandments to do so.

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- the bible belt of america escapes your attention.

I can't wait until you receive your judgement.

 

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Nonsense. You may not realize this being such a believer and all but your Church teaches children at the age of reason to memorize the ten commandments before confirmation, the first being to not worship the lifeless work of human hands under penalty of death, a curse, descent into hell, Gehenna, and ultimately destruction. True? Then for those children to become a confirmed Catholic they must defy the first command, get down on their knees to worship and eat a lifeless matzo made by human hands for spiritual life. True?

This Church initiation practice amounts to the intentional ruthless ritual slaughter of innocent children since the penalty for defying the first command is death, which makes you a murderer, if not, at best, complicit in the ritual slaughter of the innocents, and as guilty as sin.

Its math dude.

Beats your militant atheism.

 

[hobelim]

Beats your militant atheism.

So you believe that the ruthless slaughter of innocent children by indoctrinating them into preposterous beliefs that create a paralyzing state of cognitive dissonance which in many cases is for life is better than not believing in a capricious and cruel petty tyrant obsessed with diet fashion and the sexual preferences of consenting adult bipeds who became a sacrificial mangod so that pretentious pusillanimous faithless cowards like you who bow down to and worship the Antichrist, an imaginary false substitute counterfeit Jesus that never existed, with all the powerful attending signs and "miracles of the lie" that scripture is to be taken literally, can in your unrestrained imagination escape the consequences for your own words and deeds and hide from God by crawling into a deep dark crevice in the rocks?

As if a vile degrading ritual eating of the mangod ceremony can render karma null and void?

Wow.

Thanks for sharing!

 

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So you believe that the slaughter of innocent children by indoctrinating them into preposterous beliefs that create a paralyzing state of cognitive dissonance which in many cases is for life is better than not believing in a capricious and cruel petty tyrant obsessed with diet fashion and the sexual preferences of consenting adult bipeds who became a sacrificial mangod so that pretentious pusillanimous faithless cowards like you who bow down to and worship the Antichrist, an imaginary false substitute counterfeit Jesus that never existed, with all the powerful attending signs and "miracles of the lie" that scripture is to be taken literally, can in your unrestrained imagination escape the consequences for your own words and deeds and hide from God by crawling into a dark crevice in the rocks?

As if a degrading ritual eating of the false mangod can render karma null and void? Wow.

Thanks for sharing!

I believe you are mentally ill to make that analogy especially since you are an atheist.

 

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the sexual preferences of consenting adult bipeds

Let me repay you in your own coin.