Kellyanne admits it - they aren't really going to repeal Obamacare.
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I think DJ Trump will get into a tizzy with Ryan and McConnell and then veto whatever they have come up with because it is too disruptive.
And that is only after Schumer filibusters it for as long as he can -- until McConnell changes the Senate rules for cloture.
ACA will survive and is here to stay.
Imploding is a GOP myth.
And that is only after Schumer filibusters it for as long as he can -- until McConnell changes the Senate rules for cloture.
ACA will survive and is here to stay.
Imploding is a GOP myth.
NoNukes
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Even if they replace it, Obama still gets the credit for having something in place.
shockedcanadian
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If they allow people options rather than making it mandatory and provide across state competition, this in itself would be a major improvement.
Also, allow people to pick and choose their coverage as it makes sense.
Also, allow people to pick and choose their coverage as it makes sense.
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You can still buy ObamaCare if you want to, there's just no penalty anymore if you don't.
Win/Win.
Win/Win.
Little-Acorn
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Which is exactly what Conway said they would probably do. They'll "stop enforcing the mandate".
That way, nobody will be kicked off Obamacare... unless they decide to drop it themselves. (And drop the horrifically high premiums and deductibles.)
It will collapse under its own weight, even faster than it's been collapsing for the last few years.
R.I.P. Obamacare.
edthecynic
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You got screwed by the greedy insurance companies, Obama had a grandfather clause in the ACA.
AntonToo
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Wow - that is dumbest post of the month and believe me, there is no shortage of stupid here from your fellow right wingers.
Sue congressmen for legislation??!
Make people that get paid a hundred million or so pay hundreds of billions program costs?!? How?
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Frankeneinstein
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And while that is true it would not have happened without the enactment of the ACA...I consider the ACA as just an extension of the coverage already in place, I am all in/for a single payer system and consider the ACA a step in that direction.
NYcarbineer
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Oh, so you're take is that she's saying, YES 22 million will lose their coverage under the GOP plan, but it will be gradual...
...lol, that's better yet!!!
NYcarbineer
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Not from them. Obamacare has its highest approval ever. The Republicans are fools, but they aren't fools politically;
they know they're walking into now. A bear trap.
NYcarbineer
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Are you even aware that people get subsidies buying insurance on the exchanges?
That’s your opinion.
Obamacare is simply a complex way to raise taxes thru mandates. The mandates have been essentially repealed. Trump signed a memo directing all agencies to ignore instituting the mandate portion of Obamacare, which basically removes the damage it caused. In effect, the IRS cannot withhold your refund as of Jan. 20th 2017. It also prevents businesses and insurance companies from punishment for not meeting with the new provisions contained in Obamacare that would go into effect this year.
AntonToo
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Republicans have been at this REPEAL shtick for 7 years and something like 50 repeal votes by now. 7 Years they had to come up with something else, for 7 years they couldn't and to this day they have no credible alternative.
Why? Because it took them 30 ******* years to even come up with Obamacare itself as a market based alternative to single payer liberals usually pushed.
And gullible rightwingers now think that they'll be able to figure this out at a drop of a hat
Anyone that has been around healthcare debate long enough knows that improving on Obamacare from ground up is right near impossible task. The better option was ALWAYS to gradually refine and add to the framework instead of blowing the whole thing up and throwing out all real progress made.
Unfortunately going with a better option has been difficult because we have a reactionary, dead-end movement that has been cultivated by blowhard rightwing pundits that is more interested in opposing anything Obama signed than they are in making well informed and thought out decisions on what is good for America.
Why? Because it took them 30 ******* years to even come up with Obamacare itself as a market based alternative to single payer liberals usually pushed.
And gullible rightwingers now think that they'll be able to figure this out at a drop of a hat
Anyone that has been around healthcare debate long enough knows that improving on Obamacare from ground up is right near impossible task. The better option was ALWAYS to gradually refine and add to the framework instead of blowing the whole thing up and throwing out all real progress made.
Unfortunately going with a better option has been difficult because we have a reactionary, dead-end movement that has been cultivated by blowhard rightwing pundits that is more interested in opposing anything Obama signed than they are in making well informed and thought out decisions on what is good for America.
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They've been saying repeal or replace for a long time.Republicans have been at this REPEAL shtick for 7 years and something like 50 repeal votes by now. 7 Years they had to come up with something else, for 7 years they couldn't and to this day they have no credible alternative.
Why? Because it took them 30 ******* years to even come up with Obamacare itself as a market based alternative to single payer liberals usually pushed.
And gullible rightwingers now think that they'll be able to figure this out at a drop of a hat
Anyone that has been around healthcare debate long enough knows that improving on Obamacare from ground up is right near impossible task. The better option was ALWAYS to gradually refine and add to the framework instead of blowing the whole thing up and throwing out all real progress made.
Unfortunately going with a better option has been difficult because we have a reactionary, dead-end movement that has been cultivated by blowhard rightwing pundits that is more interested in opposing anything Obama signed than they are in making well informed and thought out decisions on what is good for America.
Didn't you get the memo?
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You are misinformed. IRS can still withhold your refund. Executive order is written in supremely vague language that could mean right about anything as far as enforcement of mandates, because at the end of the day Trump has no authority to repeal any part of the law on his own.
And the order, crucially, notes that agencies can act only “to the maximum extent permitted by law.” (How the Trump administration interprets those permissions, of course, is yet untested.)
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/21/...-against-the-health-law-actually-do.html?_r=0
The law is that IRS is to collect penalty if you have no insurance that meets the standard ACA lays out.
AntonToo
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They've been saying repeal or replace for a long time.Republicans have been at this REPEAL shtick for 7 years and something like 50 repeal votes by now. 7 Years they had to come up with something else, for 7 years they couldn't and to this day they have no credible alternative.
Why? Because it took them 30 ******* years to even come up with Obamacare itself as a market based alternative to single payer liberals usually pushed.
And gullible rightwingers now think that they'll be able to figure this out at a drop of a hat
Anyone that has been around healthcare debate long enough knows that improving on Obamacare from ground up is right near impossible task. The better option was ALWAYS to gradually refine and add to the framework instead of blowing the whole thing up and throwing out all real progress made.
Unfortunately going with a better option has been difficult because we have a reactionary, dead-end movement that has been cultivated by blowhard rightwing pundits that is more interested in opposing anything Obama signed than they are in making well informed and thought out decisions on what is good for America.
Didn't you get the memo?
...are you aware of the difference between "saying" and real solutions?
They have been saying it because rightwingers EXPECTED them to say nothing less, be it realistic or not. They first and foremost had to promise it, but never had anything resembling a real plan on how to actually do it.
When Obama was running against Hillary he was saying he opposes mandate, but when the rubber met the road he had to let that position go - it ACTUALLY just didn't work.
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Trump can direct agencies to ignore the law the way Obama decided to ignore immigration laws. If you want to get into a legal a fight over your right to get millions of people kicked off of their health insurance.....go for it.
******Yawwwwwwwn ******They've been saying repeal or replace for a long time.Republicans have been at this REPEAL shtick for 7 years and something like 50 repeal votes by now. 7 Years they had to come up with something else, for 7 years they couldn't and to this day they have no credible alternative.
Why? Because it took them 30 ******* years to even come up with Obamacare itself as a market based alternative to single payer liberals usually pushed.
And gullible rightwingers now think that they'll be able to figure this out at a drop of a hat
Anyone that has been around healthcare debate long enough knows that improving on Obamacare from ground up is right near impossible task. The better option was ALWAYS to gradually refine and add to the framework instead of blowing the whole thing up and throwing out all real progress made.
Unfortunately going with a better option has been difficult because we have a reactionary, dead-end movement that has been cultivated by blowhard rightwing pundits that is more interested in opposing anything Obama signed than they are in making well informed and thought out decisions on what is good for America.
Didn't you get the memo?
...are you aware of the difference between "saying" and real solutions?
They have been saying it because rightwingers EXPECTED them to say nothing less, be it realistic or not. They first and foremost had to promise it, but never had anything resembling a real plan on how to actually do it.
When Obama was running against Hillary he was saying he opposes mandate, but when the rubber met the road he had to let that position go - it ACTUALLY just didn't work.
Stay tuned then, dipshit.
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