Kavanaugh Asks if Texas Abortion Law Could Be Model for Bans on Gun Rights

[White 6]

Justice Brett Kavanaugh floated the possibility of Texas's abortion law becoming a model for states to restrict other constitutional rights, such as gun rights under the Second Amendment.

The associate justice, appointed by former President Donald Trump, specifically posed a theoretical law that would allow the seller of an AR-15 semi-automatic weapon to be sued for $1 million.

The Texas solicitor general acknowledged the possibility but said Congress could pass laws to protect such rights. Kavanaugh seemed wary of such intervention.

"Some of those examples, I think, would be quite difficult to get legislation through Congress," Kavanaugh said.

Kavanaugh Poses Possibility That Texas Abortion Law Can Apply to Gun Rights

U.S. Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar told the Supreme Court Monday that "no constitutional right is safe" if the Texas law is allowed to stand.

www.newsweek.com

So you could use a Texas abortion style law to restrict guns in California? It gets around the Constitution.

I did not see this coming. Did you?

I did. That is why the crafting of the Texas law was shortsighted and tunnel visioned. It could be applied to other rights.

 

[Man of Ethics]

Which contradicts your earlier statement that opioids are banned.

My mistake.

 

[Man of Ethics]

1) It's from a famous study carried out, I think, in the 1990s, by Gary Keck. He initially estimated that approximately a million and a half crimes were prevented by the defensive use of firearms. He later upped that estimate to about two and a half million.

2) Your big error is in assuming that the only way a gun can be used to prevent a crime is by killing the would-be criminal. The vast majority of legitimate defensive use of firearms have not involved killing the criminal, nor even discharging the firearm.

1) I am very skeptical.

2) Justifiable homicides make up under 4% of all homicides. Thus real self-defense with guns is probably rare.

 

[hadit]

Guns enable over 20,000 suicides and over 10,000 murders in USA each year.

Do you believe those suicides and murders would not take place if there were no guns?

 

[hadit]

1) I am very skeptical.

2) Justifiable homicides make up under 4% of all homicides. Thus real self-defense with guns is probably rare.

You have to define self-defense. In many cases, merely demonstrating that you are armed is enough to make an assailant leave.

 

[Crepitus]

I did not see this coming. Did you?

I saw.the ramifications from day one. I did not expect Bart O'kavenaugh to be the one who pointed it out.

 

[Crepitus]

for what?

You're the poster boy for your own signature.

 

[surada]

Nowhere in the Constitution is there anything that even hints at a right for a woman to have her own child killed in cold blood.

The case for a Constitutional right to abortion is based on a mountain of falsehoods piled on falsehoods.

The Constitution does, however, explicitly affirm a right, belonging to the people, to keep and bear arms, and forbids government from infringing this right.

There is no honest comparison between the two.

You have a JD?

 

[Man of Ethics]

Do you believe those suicides and murders would not take place if there were no guns?

About 30% of them would be "successful".

 

[White 6]

I saw.the ramifications from day one. I did not expect Bart O'kavenaugh to be the one who pointed it out.

I am not really surprised, he did.

 

[Auld Phart]

You're the poster boy for your own signature.

You're the poster boy for your own signature.

I had you in mind when I picked it.

 

[Crepitus]

I had you in mind when I picked it.

Obviously not.

 

[Dekster]

Justice Brett Kavanaugh floated the possibility of Texas's abortion law becoming a model for states to restrict other constitutional rights, such as gun rights under the Second Amendment.

The associate justice, appointed by former President Donald Trump, specifically posed a theoretical law that would allow the seller of an AR-15 semi-automatic weapon to be sued for $1 million.

The Texas solicitor general acknowledged the possibility but said Congress could pass laws to protect such rights. Kavanaugh seemed wary of such intervention.

"Some of those examples, I think, would be quite difficult to get legislation through Congress," Kavanaugh said.

Kavanaugh Poses Possibility That Texas Abortion Law Can Apply to Gun Rights

U.S. Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar told the Supreme Court Monday that "no constitutional right is safe" if the Texas law is allowed to stand.

www.newsweek.com

So you could use a Texas abortion style law to restrict guns in California? It gets around the Constitution.

I did not see this coming. Did you?

Yep. I have said from the beginning federal courts do not like efforts to divest them of the ability to hear cases which is what the Texas law was designed to do. If upheld, it becomes a slippery slope into whatever nonsense a state wants to do---liberal or conservative. I expect them to smack down Texas and uphold Mississippi.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Justice Brett Kavanaugh floated the possibility of Texas's abortion law becoming a model for states to restrict other constitutional rights, such as gun rights under the Second Amendment.

The associate justice, appointed by former President Donald Trump, specifically posed a theoretical law that would allow the seller of an AR-15 semi-automatic weapon to be sued for $1 million.

The Texas solicitor general acknowledged the possibility but said Congress could pass laws to protect such rights. Kavanaugh seemed wary of such intervention.

"Some of those examples, I think, would be quite difficult to get legislation through Congress," Kavanaugh said.

Kavanaugh Poses Possibility That Texas Abortion Law Can Apply to Gun Rights

U.S. Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar told the Supreme Court Monday that "no constitutional right is safe" if the Texas law is allowed to stand.

www.newsweek.com

So you could use a Texas abortion style law to restrict guns in California? It gets around the Constitution.

I did not see this coming. Did you?

Abortion isn't a constitutional right. So, I'd say Kavanaughs concerns are unwarranted.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

If relatives of suicide and murder victims could sue gun manufacturers, it would be great!

Should car wreck victims be able to sue car companies?

 

[Man of Ethics]

Should car wreck victims be able to sue car companies?

No. Cars are much more needed then guns. I do oppose motorcycles -- accident death rate 30 times higher then cars.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

You

No. Cars are much more needed then guns. I do oppose motorcycles -- accident death rate 30 times higher then cars.

That would violate the Equal Protection Clause.

 

[Man of Ethics]

You

That would violate the Equal Protection Clause.

How?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

How?

You can't protect one company, while making another company fair game. Either both can be sued, or neither can be sued.

 

[Man of Ethics]

You can't protect one company, while making another company fair game. Either both can be sued, or neither can be sued.

Perhaps. If guns are not banned then over 20,000 lives per year will still be lost to suicide and over 10,000 lives per year to homicide.