Kansas GOP Defeats The CoronaVirus and The Demonic DemoRats


"Republican lawmakers overturned the executive order, claiming that it impedes on religious rights — even though many churches canceled Easter services voluntarily or intend to hold them online. “It appears to be out of line, extreme and clearly in violation, a blatant violation, of our fundamental rights,” said Senate president Susan Wagle."

Basically this devil-worshiping Democrat governor tried to use the day of the largest increase in coronavirus cases to date -- as a time to fearmonger and powergrab by issuing a ban on large gatherings....Obviously it was meant to attack Christians due to Easter coming up this weekend....Luckily the republicans by the force of Jesus, stopped her...Trump may not have been able to end all of this virus panic by Easter -- but at least the state of Kansas was able to stand up for God and defeat this virus hoax...
I believe the members of these churches have the legal right to assemble for worship even in an epidemic. It's pretty clear in the constitution. However to do so, brings to question the member's Christian values. Do they really think Christ would approve of them putting their family, friends, and neighbors in danger so they could physically sit in church rather than listen or view the service over the Internet. IMHO, this is not really about worshiping God but rather a show of contempt and defiance aimed at governmental authority.
 
C19 is currently running at 2-3% mortality. And no, 90% of us haven't already had it. Don't be silly.

The Coronavirus mortality rate is no where near 2 or 3 %.

The vast majority of victims were never tested, so the real number who caught it is unknown, but certainly a lot more than the 510,000 confirmed cases.

The new antibody tests will give us a real estimate as to the number who have been infected. I don't know if its 90% or more or less and neither do you.
We’ve been sucking this thing in like pollen for weeks before we knew it was here. It’s mostly very mild except in some 65+ Cases that had life taking other conditions already
 

"Republican lawmakers overturned the executive order, claiming that it impedes on religious rights — even though many churches canceled Easter services voluntarily or intend to hold them online. “It appears to be out of line, extreme and clearly in violation, a blatant violation, of our fundamental rights,” said Senate president Susan Wagle."

Basically this devil-worshiping Democrat governor tried to use the day of the largest increase in coronavirus cases to date -- as a time to fearmonger and powergrab by issuing a ban on large gatherings....Obviously it was meant to attack Christians due to Easter coming up this weekend....Luckily the republicans by the force of Jesus, stopped her...Trump may not have been able to end all of this virus panic by Easter -- but at least the state of Kansas was able to stand up for God and defeat this virus hoax...
It was immediately visible in the IHME models. There was a jump in deaths and it moved the peak 6 days into the future.

Republicans are so fucking stupid sometimes it's actually hard to believe just how stupid they are.
Im a republican, and like most republicans, i think its dumb to allow people to gather in churches. A few people in Kansas hardly speak for the entirety of the republican party. You must be pretty stupid to say something that fucking stupid.

That ^ is a fair point. Thanks. I also don't believe that all Republicans blindly follow this president. There are many fine, smart, decent conservatives in the world. A few tards in Kansas don't represent your party.
They do, however represent the Kansas GOP that elected them. Also don't forget there are several threads right here praising their mistake.

Yep, same goes for recent stupidity to hold the election in Wisconsin. All idiots must be held to account for putting lives at risk.

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That wasn't stupidity, that was callous disregard for public safety. There was a state supreme Court contest in the ballot and the republicans all know they do better with lower turnout. They don't care how many people have to die as long as they remain in power. They are guilty of killing everyone else who dies of covid19 in Wisconsin.

I fear that Wisconsin is a precursor of what's about to happen in November. You're right - Donald and his adherents don't give a fuck about public safety. It's about making it as difficult as possible to vote.
In all honesty, they should probably postpone the election until like March next year.
 

"Republican lawmakers overturned the executive order, claiming that it impedes on religious rights — even though many churches canceled Easter services voluntarily or intend to hold them online. “It appears to be out of line, extreme and clearly in violation, a blatant violation, of our fundamental rights,” said Senate president Susan Wagle."

Basically this devil-worshiping Democrat governor tried to use the day of the largest increase in coronavirus cases to date -- as a time to fearmonger and powergrab by issuing a ban on large gatherings....Obviously it was meant to attack Christians due to Easter coming up this weekend....Luckily the republicans by the force of Jesus, stopped her...Trump may not have been able to end all of this virus panic by Easter -- but at least the state of Kansas was able to stand up for God and defeat this virus hoax...


And the fact that the models are wrong....you have no problem with that? That the "experts," told us 1-2 million Americans would die...so we allowed the democrat party members of the press and the democrat party govenors to shut down the U.S. economy....and now, after the damage to the economy and the lives of over 10 million Americans have been damaged....they come back and tell us....

Oooooops.......the number is really closer to under 60,000......you know, like a regular flu season......Never MInd.

And no, social distancing doesn't account for the revised numbers since it was factored into the models .....

this virus is being exploited by the democrats to crush the U.S. economy...

So this lockdown needs to be lifted and we need to get our country back.
 
The title of this thread isn't correct.

Kansas and gop haven't beaten anything.

What they are doing is making the situation worse.

Kansas now has over 1 thousand verified cases of the virus with nearly 40 dead.

Now you people want to bring hundreds of people together in a small space.

That's not very smart.

The deaths will be more blood on the hands of the republicans who voted to overturn the governor's order. Which shows they have no respect for life. They have no problem with showing they are the party of death.


Wrong....this virus is no deadlier than the regular flu.....as the updated models are showing.....


Alex Berenson, former New York Times reporter who worked for “the paper of record” from 1999 to 2010, has been doing his own analysis of the ever-changing models and offered some thoughts in a Fox News interview.
----

Berenson recently focused his attention on the IMHE model.

“Aside from New York, nationally there’s been no health system crisis. In fact, to be truly correct, there has been a health system crisis, but the crisis is that the hospitals are empty,” he said on Fox. “This is true in Florida where the lockdown was late, this is true in southern California where the lockdown was early, it’s true in Oklahoma where there is no statewide lockdown. There doesn’t seem to be any correlation between the lockdown and whether or not the epidemic has spread wide and fast.”
----

But Berenson said the precipitous drop in cases has occurred before lockdowns would have had a chance to have an impact, saying it would take several weeks for social distancing measures to take effect.

And he said the mainstream media are, in part, to blame.

“Look, I get why people were so scared three or four weeks ago. I was too. But now – for the media to ignore the real demographics and scare people with outlier cases – to ignore the mostly empty hospitals all over the country – to pretend that the models weren’t wrong … and to refuse to ask really hard questions about what that means about them and the efficacy or lack thereof of the lockdowns – to refuse to ask for hard metrics we will use to reopen the country … it doesn’t feel like panic is driving this anymore. It feels like people just won’t admit what’s happening,” he wrote on Twitter.

Berenson also pointed out that COVID-19 deaths are on pace to come in even with the deaths attributed to influenza in 2017.

“Nobody says COVID-19 is not real, that it can’t tax hospitals or kill people, esp. if they are over 75 or have comorbidities. But right now the best CURRENT projection is for 61,000 US deaths. That was the 2017 flu season. Why have we shut the country?” he wrote.
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Crudely speaking, if we assume that the U.S. is around 50% of the way through the COVID-19 epidemic, we might expect something like 33,000 fatalities, equal to an average seasonal flu year. An inevitable second round of infections after our governments finally let people go back to work, and out in public, may raise that number, but no one I know of has tried to guess to what extent. Still, any way you look at it, it is hard to see how COVID-19 deaths will exceed the flu fatalities we experienced two years ago. And that was barely a news story.
 

"Republican lawmakers overturned the executive order, claiming that it impedes on religious rights — even though many churches canceled Easter services voluntarily or intend to hold them online. “It appears to be out of line, extreme and clearly in violation, a blatant violation, of our fundamental rights,” said Senate president Susan Wagle."

Basically this devil-worshiping Democrat governor tried to use the day of the largest increase in coronavirus cases to date -- as a time to fearmonger and powergrab by issuing a ban on large gatherings....Obviously it was meant to attack Christians due to Easter coming up this weekend....Luckily the republicans by the force of Jesus, stopped her...Trump may not have been able to end all of this virus panic by Easter -- but at least the state of Kansas was able to stand up for God and defeat this virus hoax...


And the fact that the models are wrong....you have no problem with that? That the "experts," told us 1-2 million Americans would die...so we allowed the democrat party members of the press and the democrat party govenors to shut down the U.S. economy....and now, after the damage to the economy and the lives of over 10 million Americans have been damaged....they come back and tell us....

Oooooops.......the number is really closer to under 60,000......you know, like a regular flu season......Never MInd.

And no, social distancing doesn't account for the revised numbers since it was factored into the models .....

this virus is being exploited by the democrats to crush the U.S. economy...

So this lockdown needs to be lifted and we need to get our country back.
The experts told us up to 2.2 million Americans would die of we did nothing.

We aren't doing nothing. We are in fact doing lots of things to slow the progress of the disease.

This isn't brain surgery kid, even you should be able to understand it.
 

"Republican lawmakers overturned the executive order, claiming that it impedes on religious rights — even though many churches canceled Easter services voluntarily or intend to hold them online. “It appears to be out of line, extreme and clearly in violation, a blatant violation, of our fundamental rights,” said Senate president Susan Wagle."

Basically this devil-worshiping Democrat governor tried to use the day of the largest increase in coronavirus cases to date -- as a time to fearmonger and powergrab by issuing a ban on large gatherings....Obviously it was meant to attack Christians due to Easter coming up this weekend....Luckily the republicans by the force of Jesus, stopped her...Trump may not have been able to end all of this virus panic by Easter -- but at least the state of Kansas was able to stand up for God and defeat this virus hoax...


And the fact that the models are wrong....you have no problem with that? That the "experts," told us 1-2 million Americans would die...so we allowed the democrat party members of the press and the democrat party govenors to shut down the U.S. economy....and now, after the damage to the economy and the lives of over 10 million Americans have been damaged....they come back and tell us....

Oooooops.......the number is really closer to under 60,000......you know, like a regular flu season......Never MInd.

And no, social distancing doesn't account for the revised numbers since it was factored into the models .....

this virus is being exploited by the democrats to crush the U.S. economy...

So this lockdown needs to be lifted and we need to get our country back.
The experts told us up to 2.2 million Americans would die of we did nothing.

We aren't doing nothing. We are in fact doing lots of things to slow the progress of the disease.

This isn't brain surgery kid, even you should be able to understand it.


And all the rest of the models factored in social distancing.....which can't account for the reduction in the number.....anyone who tells you it can is either dumb, or lying to you.

‘Why Have We Shut Down The Country?’ Ex-New York Times Reporter Challenges The Dire Coronavirus Models

Alex Berenson, former New York Times reporter who worked for “the paper of record” from 1999 to 2010, has been doing his own analysis of the ever-changing models and offered some thoughts in a Fox News interview.
----

Berenson recently focused his attention on the IMHE model.

“Aside from New York, nationally there’s been no health system crisis. In fact, to be truly correct, there has been a health system crisis, but the crisis is that the hospitals are empty,” he said on Fox. “This is true in Florida where the lockdown was late, this is true in southern California where the lockdown was early, it’s true in Oklahoma where there is no statewide lockdown. There doesn’t seem to be any correlation between the lockdown and whether or not the epidemic has spread wide and fast.”
----

But Berenson said the precipitous drop in cases has occurred before lockdowns would have had a chance to have an impact, saying it would take several weeks for social distancing measures to take effect.

And he said the mainstream media are, in part, to blame.
 

"Republican lawmakers overturned the executive order, claiming that it impedes on religious rights — even though many churches canceled Easter services voluntarily or intend to hold them online. “It appears to be out of line, extreme and clearly in violation, a blatant violation, of our fundamental rights,” said Senate president Susan Wagle."

Basically this devil-worshiping Democrat governor tried to use the day of the largest increase in coronavirus cases to date -- as a time to fearmonger and powergrab by issuing a ban on large gatherings....Obviously it was meant to attack Christians due to Easter coming up this weekend....Luckily the republicans by the force of Jesus, stopped her...Trump may not have been able to end all of this virus panic by Easter -- but at least the state of Kansas was able to stand up for God and defeat this virus hoax...


And the fact that the models are wrong....you have no problem with that? That the "experts," told us 1-2 million Americans would die...so we allowed the democrat party members of the press and the democrat party govenors to shut down the U.S. economy....and now, after the damage to the economy and the lives of over 10 million Americans have been damaged....they come back and tell us....

Oooooops.......the number is really closer to under 60,000......you know, like a regular flu season......Never MInd.

And no, social distancing doesn't account for the revised numbers since it was factored into the models .....

this virus is being exploited by the democrats to crush the U.S. economy...

So this lockdown needs to be lifted and we need to get our country back.
The experts told us up to 2.2 million Americans would die of we did nothing.

We aren't doing nothing. We are in fact doing lots of things to slow the progress of the disease.

This isn't brain surgery kid, even you should be able to understand it.


And all the rest of the models factored in social distancing.....which can't account for the reduction in the number.....anyone who tells you it can is either dumb, or lying to you.

‘Why Have We Shut Down The Country?’ Ex-New York Times Reporter Challenges The Dire Coronavirus Models

Alex Berenson, former New York Times reporter who worked for “the paper of record” from 1999 to 2010, has been doing his own analysis of the ever-changing models and offered some thoughts in a Fox News interview.
----

Berenson recently focused his attention on the IMHE model.

“Aside from New York, nationally there’s been no health system crisis. In fact, to be truly correct, there has been a health system crisis, but the crisis is that the hospitals are empty,” he said on Fox. “This is true in Florida where the lockdown was late, this is true in southern California where the lockdown was early, it’s true in Oklahoma where there is no statewide lockdown. There doesn’t seem to be any correlation between the lockdown and whether or not the epidemic has spread wide and fast.”
----


But Berenson said the precipitous drop in cases has occurred before lockdowns would have had a chance to have an impact, saying it would take several weeks for social distancing measures to take effect.

And he said the mainstream media are, in part, to blame.
Lol, no.

It's not that hard kid. Even tRump understands it now.
 

"Republican lawmakers overturned the executive order, claiming that it impedes on religious rights — even though many churches canceled Easter services voluntarily or intend to hold them online. “It appears to be out of line, extreme and clearly in violation, a blatant violation, of our fundamental rights,” said Senate president Susan Wagle."

Basically this devil-worshiping Democrat governor tried to use the day of the largest increase in coronavirus cases to date -- as a time to fearmonger and powergrab by issuing a ban on large gatherings....Obviously it was meant to attack Christians due to Easter coming up this weekend....Luckily the republicans by the force of Jesus, stopped her...Trump may not have been able to end all of this virus panic by Easter -- but at least the state of Kansas was able to stand up for God and defeat this virus hoax...
It was immediately visible in the IHME models. There was a jump in deaths and it moved the peak 6 days into the future.

Republicans are so fucking stupid sometimes it's actually hard to believe just how stupid they are.
Im a republican, and like most republicans, i think its dumb to allow people to gather in churches. A few people in Kansas hardly speak for the entirety of the republican party. You must be pretty stupid to say something that fucking stupid.

That ^ is a fair point. Thanks. I also don't believe that all Republicans blindly follow this president. There are many fine, smart, decent conservatives in the world. A few tards in Kansas don't represent your party.
They do, however represent the Kansas GOP that elected them. Also don't forget there are several threads right here praising their mistake.

Yep, same goes for recent stupidity to hold the election in Wisconsin. All idiots must be held to account for putting lives at risk.

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That wasn't stupidity, that was callous disregard for public safety. There was a state supreme Court contest in the ballot and the republicans all know they do better with lower turnout. They don't care how many people have to die as long as they remain in power. They are guilty of killing everyone else who dies of covid19 in Wisconsin.

I fear that Wisconsin is a precursor of what's about to happen in November. You're right - Donald and his adherents don't give a fuck about public safety. It's about making it as difficult as possible to vote.
In all honesty, they should probably postpone the election until like March next year.

Sorry - No Can Do
 

"Republican lawmakers overturned the executive order, claiming that it impedes on religious rights — even though many churches canceled Easter services voluntarily or intend to hold them online. “It appears to be out of line, extreme and clearly in violation, a blatant violation, of our fundamental rights,” said Senate president Susan Wagle."

Basically this devil-worshiping Democrat governor tried to use the day of the largest increase in coronavirus cases to date -- as a time to fearmonger and powergrab by issuing a ban on large gatherings....Obviously it was meant to attack Christians due to Easter coming up this weekend....Luckily the republicans by the force of Jesus, stopped her...Trump may not have been able to end all of this virus panic by Easter -- but at least the state of Kansas was able to stand up for God and defeat this virus hoax...
It was immediately visible in the IHME models. There was a jump in deaths and it moved the peak 6 days into the future.

Republicans are so fucking stupid sometimes it's actually hard to believe just how stupid they are.
Im a republican, and like most republicans, i think its dumb to allow people to gather in churches. A few people in Kansas hardly speak for the entirety of the republican party. You must be pretty stupid to say something that fucking stupid.

That ^ is a fair point. Thanks. I also don't believe that all Republicans blindly follow this president. There are many fine, smart, decent conservatives in the world. A few tards in Kansas don't represent your party.
They do, however represent the Kansas GOP that elected them. Also don't forget there are several threads right here praising their mistake.

Yep, same goes for recent stupidity to hold the election in Wisconsin. All idiots must be held to account for putting lives at risk.

359ccfe0-b385-4c9f-a93d-8f9df9b42ef7.jpeg
That wasn't stupidity, that was callous disregard for public safety. There was a state supreme Court contest in the ballot and the republicans all know they do better with lower turnout. They don't care how many people have to die as long as they remain in power. They are guilty of killing everyone else who dies of covid19 in Wisconsin.
You run with that.
 

"Republican lawmakers overturned the executive order, claiming that it impedes on religious rights — even though many churches canceled Easter services voluntarily or intend to hold them online. “It appears to be out of line, extreme and clearly in violation, a blatant violation, of our fundamental rights,” said Senate president Susan Wagle."

Basically this devil-worshiping Democrat governor tried to use the day of the largest increase in coronavirus cases to date -- as a time to fearmonger and powergrab by issuing a ban on large gatherings....Obviously it was meant to attack Christians due to Easter coming up this weekend....Luckily the republicans by the force of Jesus, stopped her...Trump may not have been able to end all of this virus panic by Easter -- but at least the state of Kansas was able to stand up for God and defeat this virus hoax...
I believe the members of these churches have the legal right to assemble for worship even in an epidemic. It's pretty clear in the constitution. However to do so, brings to question the member's Christian values. Do they really think Christ would approve of them putting their family, friends, and neighbors in danger so they could physically sit in church rather than listen or view the service over the Internet. IMHO, this is not really about worshiping God but rather a show of contempt and defiance aimed at governmental authority.
Whether or not Christ would approve is not a question that government gets to answer. It's not a question that you can answer for someone else.
 

"Republican lawmakers overturned the executive order, claiming that it impedes on religious rights — even though many churches canceled Easter services voluntarily or intend to hold them online. “It appears to be out of line, extreme and clearly in violation, a blatant violation, of our fundamental rights,” said Senate president Susan Wagle."

Basically this devil-worshiping Democrat governor tried to use the day of the largest increase in coronavirus cases to date -- as a time to fearmonger and powergrab by issuing a ban on large gatherings....Obviously it was meant to attack Christians due to Easter coming up this weekend....Luckily the republicans by the force of Jesus, stopped her...Trump may not have been able to end all of this virus panic by Easter -- but at least the state of Kansas was able to stand up for God and defeat this virus hoax...
It was immediately visible in the IHME models. There was a jump in deaths and it moved the peak 6 days into the future.

Republicans are so fucking stupid sometimes it's actually hard to believe just how stupid they are.
Im a republican, and like most republicans, i think its dumb to allow people to gather in churches. A few people in Kansas hardly speak for the entirety of the republican party. You must be pretty stupid to say something that fucking stupid.

That ^ is a fair point. Thanks. I also don't believe that all Republicans blindly follow this president. There are many fine, smart, decent conservatives in the world. A few tards in Kansas don't represent your party.
They do, however represent the Kansas GOP that elected them. Also don't forget there are several threads right here praising their mistake.

Yep, same goes for recent stupidity to hold the election in Wisconsin. All idiots must be held to account for putting lives at risk.

359ccfe0-b385-4c9f-a93d-8f9df9b42ef7.jpeg
That wasn't stupidity, that was callous disregard for public safety. There was a state supreme Court contest in the ballot and the republicans all know they do better with lower turnout. They don't care how many people have to die as long as they remain in power. They are guilty of killing everyone else who dies of covid19 in Wisconsin.
You run with that.
I always run with the truth.

I'm not some lying tRumpkin after all.
 

"Republican lawmakers overturned the executive order, claiming that it impedes on religious rights — even though many churches canceled Easter services voluntarily or intend to hold them online. “It appears to be out of line, extreme and clearly in violation, a blatant violation, of our fundamental rights,” said Senate president Susan Wagle."

Basically this devil-worshiping Democrat governor tried to use the day of the largest increase in coronavirus cases to date -- as a time to fearmonger and powergrab by issuing a ban on large gatherings....Obviously it was meant to attack Christians due to Easter coming up this weekend....Luckily the republicans by the force of Jesus, stopped her...Trump may not have been able to end all of this virus panic by Easter -- but at least the state of Kansas was able to stand up for God and defeat this virus hoax...

Have you ever read the First Amendment?
 
Let me get this straight. Do you consider the virus a hoax?

Many churches are doing virtual services, and that is to their credit.

However, when you want to bring out guns to enforce your fears, you have crossed the line.

This legislature has done the right thing.

Go wash your hands.
Here's another poor lost soul that needs to be legislated at the expense of freedom to exercise common sense.
 

"Republican lawmakers overturned the executive order, claiming that it impedes on religious rights — even though many churches canceled Easter services voluntarily or intend to hold them online. “It appears to be out of line, extreme and clearly in violation, a blatant violation, of our fundamental rights,” said Senate president Susan Wagle."

Basically this devil-worshiping Democrat governor tried to use the day of the largest increase in coronavirus cases to date -- as a time to fearmonger and powergrab by issuing a ban on large gatherings....Obviously it was meant to attack Christians due to Easter coming up this weekend....Luckily the republicans by the force of Jesus, stopped her...Trump may not have been able to end all of this virus panic by Easter -- but at least the state of Kansas was able to stand up for God and defeat this virus hoax...

I say let idiots in Kansas pack like sardines into churches tomorrow and swap spit. But then they must self quarantine at home for minimally two weeks and let their godless neighbors do their grocery shopping. Thinning the herd of Trump cult members can't be all bad. :)

You're just upset that that little virus affects nobody but blacks in da ghetto
 

"Republican lawmakers overturned the executive order, claiming that it impedes on religious rights — even though many churches canceled Easter services voluntarily or intend to hold them online. “It appears to be out of line, extreme and clearly in violation, a blatant violation, of our fundamental rights,” said Senate president Susan Wagle."

Basically this devil-worshiping Democrat governor tried to use the day of the largest increase in coronavirus cases to date -- as a time to fearmonger and powergrab by issuing a ban on large gatherings....Obviously it was meant to attack Christians due to Easter coming up this weekend....Luckily the republicans by the force of Jesus, stopped her...Trump may not have been able to end all of this virus panic by Easter -- but at least the state of Kansas was able to stand up for God and defeat this virus hoax...
I believe the members of these churches have the legal right to assemble for worship even in an epidemic. It's pretty clear in the constitution. However to do so, brings to question the member's Christian values. Do they really think Christ would approve of them putting their family, friends, and neighbors in danger so they could physically sit in church rather than listen or view the service over the Internet. IMHO, this is not really about worshiping God but rather a show of contempt and defiance aimed at governmental authority.
No. It's about worshipping God.
 
The title of this thread isn't correct.

Kansas and gop haven't beaten anything.

What they are doing is making the situation worse.

Kansas now has over 1 thousand verified cases of the virus with nearly 40 dead.

Now you people want to bring hundreds of people together in a small space.

That's not very smart.

The deaths will be more blood on the hands of the republicans who voted to overturn the governor's order. Which shows they have no respect for life. They have no problem with showing they are the party of death.


Wrong....this virus is no deadlier than the regular flu.....as the updated models are showing.....


Alex Berenson, former New York Times reporter who worked for “the paper of record” from 1999 to 2010, has been doing his own analysis of the ever-changing models and offered some thoughts in a Fox News interview.
----

Berenson recently focused his attention on the IMHE model.

“Aside from New York, nationally there’s been no health system crisis. In fact, to be truly correct, there has been a health system crisis, but the crisis is that the hospitals are empty,” he said on Fox. “This is true in Florida where the lockdown was late, this is true in southern California where the lockdown was early, it’s true in Oklahoma where there is no statewide lockdown. There doesn’t seem to be any correlation between the lockdown and whether or not the epidemic has spread wide and fast.”
----

But Berenson said the precipitous drop in cases has occurred before lockdowns would have had a chance to have an impact, saying it would take several weeks for social distancing measures to take effect.

And he said the mainstream media are, in part, to blame.

“Look, I get why people were so scared three or four weeks ago. I was too. But now – for the media to ignore the real demographics and scare people with outlier cases – to ignore the mostly empty hospitals all over the country – to pretend that the models weren’t wrong … and to refuse to ask really hard questions about what that means about them and the efficacy or lack thereof of the lockdowns – to refuse to ask for hard metrics we will use to reopen the country … it doesn’t feel like panic is driving this anymore. It feels like people just won’t admit what’s happening,” he wrote on Twitter.

Berenson also pointed out that COVID-19 deaths are on pace to come in even with the deaths attributed to influenza in 2017.

“Nobody says COVID-19 is not real, that it can’t tax hospitals or kill people, esp. if they are over 75 or have comorbidities. But right now the best CURRENT projection is for 61,000 US deaths. That was the 2017 flu season. Why have we shut the country?” he wrote.
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Crudely speaking, if we assume that the U.S. is around 50% of the way through the COVID-19 epidemic, we might expect something like 33,000 fatalities, equal to an average seasonal flu year. An inevitable second round of infections after our governments finally let people go back to work, and out in public, may raise that number, but no one I know of has tried to guess to what extent. Still, any way you look at it, it is hard to see how COVID-19 deaths will exceed the flu fatalities we experienced two years ago. And that was barely a news story.

If you read the parameters from the model you are quoting, the new models include the effects of social distancing, stay-at-home orders, and the closure of non-essential businesses in cities in China, Italy and Spain where they were implemented well before anything in the United States, then modeled the effects of social restrictions based on the duration of time after those restrictions started being implemented in the US. The models from a few weeks ago did not include as much data because most of those cities hadn't seen a peak yet, and thus had a higher projected death rate in the US, and were based upon assumptions of restrictions that had not yet been implemented in the US.


IOW, had we not implemented restrictions, the death toll would have been higher than is being projected today. Had the restrictions been implemented sooner in the US, the projected deaths would be lower.

The forecasts of 2.2 million deaths if nothing happened was probably too high. On one of the cruise ships, where there was no social distancing at all, and one can assume every single person was exposed, the infection rate was 19% and the mortality rate was 1%. But even that mortality rate is probably too high as the average age on the cruise ship skews higher than the general population. So the mortality rate is probably between 0.5% and 1%. Assuming that every single person in the US is exposed to the virus, the number of Americans who would die would be between 313,500 and 627,000. Since that's unrealistic, if only half of Americans are exposed to it, then the number of Americans who would die would be between 156,750 and 313,500. That's a realistic number before social distancing, stay-at-home orders, banning mass gatherings, and shutting down non-essential businesses. Start doing all those, and the number of deaths will be much lower.

That link from the Powerline blog you posted was ridiculous BTW. I should be surprised that attorneys don't understand simple math. But when it comes to tribal partisan politics, I guess I shouldn't be.

Math is just too hard for some people.
 
The title of this thread isn't correct.

Kansas and gop haven't beaten anything.

What they are doing is making the situation worse.

Kansas now has over 1 thousand verified cases of the virus with nearly 40 dead.

Now you people want to bring hundreds of people together in a small space.

That's not very smart.

The deaths will be more blood on the hands of the republicans who voted to overturn the governor's order. Which shows they have no respect for life. They have no problem with showing they are the party of death.


Wrong....this virus is no deadlier than the regular flu.....as the updated models are showing.....


Alex Berenson, former New York Times reporter who worked for “the paper of record” from 1999 to 2010, has been doing his own analysis of the ever-changing models and offered some thoughts in a Fox News interview.
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Berenson recently focused his attention on the IMHE model.

“Aside from New York, nationally there’s been no health system crisis. In fact, to be truly correct, there has been a health system crisis, but the crisis is that the hospitals are empty,” he said on Fox. “This is true in Florida where the lockdown was late, this is true in southern California where the lockdown was early, it’s true in Oklahoma where there is no statewide lockdown. There doesn’t seem to be any correlation between the lockdown and whether or not the epidemic has spread wide and fast.”
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But Berenson said the precipitous drop in cases has occurred before lockdowns would have had a chance to have an impact, saying it would take several weeks for social distancing measures to take effect.

And he said the mainstream media are, in part, to blame.

“Look, I get why people were so scared three or four weeks ago. I was too. But now – for the media to ignore the real demographics and scare people with outlier cases – to ignore the mostly empty hospitals all over the country – to pretend that the models weren’t wrong … and to refuse to ask really hard questions about what that means about them and the efficacy or lack thereof of the lockdowns – to refuse to ask for hard metrics we will use to reopen the country … it doesn’t feel like panic is driving this anymore. It feels like people just won’t admit what’s happening,” he wrote on Twitter.

Berenson also pointed out that COVID-19 deaths are on pace to come in even with the deaths attributed to influenza in 2017.

“Nobody says COVID-19 is not real, that it can’t tax hospitals or kill people, esp. if they are over 75 or have comorbidities. But right now the best CURRENT projection is for 61,000 US deaths. That was the 2017 flu season. Why have we shut the country?” he wrote.
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Crudely speaking, if we assume that the U.S. is around 50% of the way through the COVID-19 epidemic, we might expect something like 33,000 fatalities, equal to an average seasonal flu year. An inevitable second round of infections after our governments finally let people go back to work, and out in public, may raise that number, but no one I know of has tried to guess to what extent. Still, any way you look at it, it is hard to see how COVID-19 deaths will exceed the flu fatalities we experienced two years ago. And that was barely a news story.

If you read the parameters from the model you are quoting, the new models include the effects of social distancing, stay-at-home orders, and the closure of non-essential businesses in cities in China, Italy and Spain where they were implemented well before anything in the United States, then modeled the effects of social restrictions based on the duration of time after those restrictions started being implemented in the US. The models from a few weeks ago did not include as much data because most of those cities hadn't seen a peak yet, and thus had a higher projected death rate in the US, and were based upon assumptions of restrictions that had not yet been implemented in the US.


IOW, had we not implemented restrictions, the death toll would have been higher than is being projected today. Had the restrictions been implemented sooner in the US, the projected deaths would be lower.

The forecasts of 2.2 million deaths if nothing happened was probably too high. On one of the cruise ships, where there was no social distancing at all, and one can assume every single person was exposed, the infection rate was 19% and the mortality rate was 1%. But even that mortality rate is probably too high as the average age on the cruise ship skews higher than the general population. So the mortality rate is probably between 0.5% and 1%. Assuming that every single person in the US is exposed to the virus, the number of Americans who would die would be between 313,500 and 627,000. Since that's unrealistic, if only half of Americans are exposed to it, then the number of Americans who would die would be between 156,750 and 313,500. That's a realistic number before social distancing, stay-at-home orders, banning mass gatherings, and shutting down non-essential businesses. Start doing all those, and the number of deaths will be much lower.

That link from the Powerline blog you posted was ridiculous BTW. I should be surprised that attorneys don't understand simple math. But when it comes to tribal partisan politics, I guess I shouldn't be.

Math is just too hard for some people.


Sorry.....social distancing does not account for the later models since it was factored into those models and the revised numbers went down long before social distancing could have impacted those numbers...

they are lying.

‘Why Have We Shut Down The Country?’ Ex-New York Times Reporter Challenges The Dire Coronavirus Models

Alex Berenson, former New York Times reporter who worked for “the paper of record” from 1999 to 2010, has been doing his own analysis of the ever-changing models and offered some thoughts in a Fox News interview.
----

Berenson recently focused his attention on the IMHE model.

“Aside from New York, nationally there’s been no health system crisis. In fact, to be truly correct, there has been a health system crisis, but the crisis is that the hospitals are empty,” he said on Fox. “This is true in Florida where the lockdown was late, this is true in southern California where the lockdown was early, it’s true in Oklahoma where there is no statewide lockdown. There doesn’t seem to be any correlation between the lockdown and whether or not the epidemic has spread wide and fast.”
----

But Berenson said the precipitous drop in cases has occurred before lockdowns would have had a chance to have an impact, saying it would take several weeks for social distancing measures to take effect.

And he said the mainstream media are, in part, to blame.

“Look, I get why people were so scared three or four weeks ago. I was too. But now – for the media to ignore the real demographics and scare people with outlier cases – to ignore the mostly empty hospitals all over the country – to pretend that the models weren’t wrong … and to refuse to ask really hard questions about what that means about them and the efficacy or lack thereof of the lockdowns – to refuse to ask for hard metrics we will use to reopen the country … it doesn’t feel like panic is driving this anymore. It feels like people just won’t admit what’s happening,” he wrote on Twitter.

Berenson also pointed out that COVID-19 deaths are on pace to come in even with the deaths attributed to influenza in 2017.

“Nobody says COVID-19 is not real, that it can’t tax hospitals or kill people, esp. if they are over 75 or have comorbidities. But right now the best CURRENT projection is for 61,000 US deaths. That was the 2017 flu season. Why have we shut the country?” he wrote.
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The Pandemic: Where We Stand Now

Crudely speaking, if we assume that the U.S. is around 50% of the way through the COVID-19 epidemic, we might expect something like 33,000 fatalities, equal to an average seasonal flu year. An inevitable second round of infections after our governments finally let people go back to work, and out in public, may raise that number, but no one I know of has tried to guess to what extent. Still, any way you look at it, it is hard to see how COVID-19 deaths will exceed the flu fatalities we experienced two years ago. And that was barely a news story.
 

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