Just kill the health bill, please!

[Midnight Marauder]

No. Not while Im paying huge bills and copays. No way.

One couldn't possibly be this blind and/or stupid. This bill does nothing at all to trim costs, and in fact most of its provisions don't even kick in until 2014.

Idiot stick.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

It's become obvious that the conservatives have won the battle

Lost on you apparently is the fact that the Dems could have passed health care reform quite easily, had they only crafted a bill that was palatable to 100% of its own legislators.

GOP votes and support weren't needed, a reasonable bill, was.

 

[saveliberty]

It would be nice if the people could vote on bills of this magnitude.

It would eliminate alot of the back and forth, and our politicians on all sides would be forced to do the right things.

But, it's just wishful thinking on my part.

Heck, I'd be happy with a string around his balls (slip knot), so I could get his undivided attention with a strong yank. Any letter on healthcare to this bozo gets a, thanks for your support reply. Support this, yank.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Has anyone checked to see if there is a HHS policy memo stating what Dick Armey alleges?

 

[boedicca]

How about all of us citizens who don't want to be subjected to ObamaCare just deem that it didn't pass?

 

[boedicca]

It looks like Dick Armey is correct. According to the AARP, in order to opt out of Medicare Part A, a senior citizen must give up Social Security benefits. Armey is quoted in the article.

Brian Hall never wanted to rely on the government for his medical coverage, because he had seen how Medicare restrictions limited his mother’s health care.

But shortly before he turned 65 in January, the retired federal computer specialist realized he had little choice but to enroll in Medicare Part A, the federal government’s hospitalization insurance for the aged and disabled.

That’s because Social Security rules require its beneficiaries to accept Part A at age 65—or give up their Social Security benefits. The rules also require the repayment of all Social Security retirement benefits already collected, if Part A coverage is refused.

“I was astonished to find these rules exist,” Hall said. “It seems un-American to force people to take a benefit they don’t want.”

Hall, who lives on a small farm in Catlett, Va., accepted the coverage he never wanted. And he did something else he never thought he would do: He filed a lawsuit that’s gaining traction in federal court.

If his suit challenging the Social Security rules is successful, it could create new options for older people who want a private policy, not Medicare’s free Part A coverage, as their primary hospitalization insurance. It also could raise costs for younger people in the group medical policies that these seniors join as the plans pay out more to cover the older beneficiaries’ health care costs.

Hall said he accepted Medicare because he couldn’t afford to repay the Social Security benefits he has collected since age 62, and he also needs his future benefits. But by accepting Medicare he could no longer contribute to a tax-free health savings account—because a law prohibits having both—which he said would cost him about $20,000 over 10 years in lost tax benefits and interest. Also, he said, his group plan under the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program scaled back his coverage because Medicare is now his primary provider.

Other federal retirees, including former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, found themselves facing the same choice and joined Hall’s lawsuit.

“I was stunned to [learn] I had no choice but to sign up for Medicare,” said Armey, a Texas Republican. “I had spent my entire life thinking I wouldn’t do so. … Then I learned—to my absolute amazement—that if I didn’t sign up for Medicare, I would lose my Social Security.”...

Lawsuit Seeks to Unlink Social Security and Medicare - AARP Bulletin Today


And here's a website for the lawsuit (Dick Armey is one of the plaintiffs):

http://www.medicarelawsuit.org/about_the_lawsuit.html

 

[Zona]

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I think it's dead.. the only thing more dead are those who vote for it. Assuming they do the legal thing and actually vote...

I don't get why these folks are doing it... a solid majority of the American people DON'T want it... it is suicide. I guess hard core Marxism takes the day.

A cpommon lie. Link, or you are a liar as well.

 

[Sinatra]

Democrats don't kill themselves. They kill the unborn, very old and sick, my appetite and our liberties.

That pretty much sums it up in present times.

Very sad what has become of our political leaders.

Thought the last crop of Republicans were useless.

Then came 2006 and I thought, "Hmmm, this does not appear much better."

Then came Obama in 2008 and I thought, "Oh boy, this is gonna be bad."

Now even I can't believe how bad things are getting - how reckless the Obama-Pelosi-Reid combo in trampling the democrat process and attempting the most dangerously blatant governmental power grab of the modern era.

This shit is really getting out of hand...

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I don't support this Democrat proposal basically because i don't think it solves any problems. In fact it will likely make things much worse in my opinion. What's going to happen when the Democrats give Amnesty to some 30 Million Illegals? All will have to be covered under this plan. So their $Trillion plan will likely cost ten times that original number. In fact all of their numbers are very low estimates and will not add up in the end. I take Dr. Paul's word when he says he has never seen a spending bill that cost what they said originally. This just isn't the right time for something like this. We're just too far in debt already. This could be done in the future if we get our house in order. The Democrat's timing is just all wrong. I know they mean well but their proposal just isn't the answer. I don't want to demonize them i just think they're wrong on this one. I guess we'll see where it all ends up though.

 

[driveby]

Speaking of lies, that asshole said if reform passes, healthcare premiums will go down 3000 % !

That motherfucker is comedy at its finest .........

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Nobody is factoring in that Democrats are going to push for Amnesty for some 30 Million Illegals in the near future. They will have to be covered under this plan as well. Their $1 Trillion number is an extremely low estimate at best. It will likely end up costing ten times that number in the end. Maybe even more. Their plan just doesn't add up in my opinion. It is time to kill it. Both sides will try to demonize each other but it's really not about that. It's the numbers that count in the end. The Democrat numbers just aren't very realistic.

 

[kyzr]

Nobody is factoring in that Democrats are going to push for Amnesty for some 30 Million Illegals in the near future. They will have to be covered under this plan as well. Their $1 Trillion number is an extremely low estimate at best. It will likely end up costing ten times that number in the end. Maybe even more. Their plan just doesn't add up in my opinion. It is time to kill it. Both sides will try to demonize each other but it's really not about that. It's the numbers that count in the end. The Democrat numbers just aren't very realistic.

Exactly. What better magnet for new "democrats" than free healthcare? Except, that the mutherfuckers are using my SS and Medicare money to buy those Mexican's votes.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And, of course, Armey was correct...LOL

Yes, abort this bill

 

[Avatar4321]

I see the usuals have nothing to say about Armey's latest bullshit. Interesting. When facts get in the way, just ignore the subject.

Thats because we dont give a crap about Army. Our argument isnt based on what he says. It's based on what the bill says. And you agree with us that the Bill is crap.

Let's kill it.

 

[concept]

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I think it's dead.. the only thing more dead are those who vote for it. Assuming they do the legal thing and actually vote...

I don't get why these folks are doing it... a solid majority of the American people DON'T want it... it is suicide. I guess hard core Marxism takes the day.

A cpommon lie. Link, or you are a liar as well.

Just 34% Say Passing Health Care Bill is Better Than Passing Nothing - Rasmussen Reports

Better snap those blinders back into place fast.

And I am pretty sure that these polls have been shown here before. But you already knew that.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

The worst thing about this Democrat disaster is that it does not lower Health Care costs. In fact Health Care costs will only go up under this plan. It's a terrible piece of legislation. Hopefully they will come to their senses and kill it. Time to get back to the drawing board on this.

 

[xotoxi]

 

[MaggieMae]

Dems had enough votes before. Why didn't they pass it then?

Huh? It passed out of the House and then out of the Senate. Hello? It then went to conference (the usual route) to create a single bill. Pay attention. Oops, too late now.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Dems had enough votes before. Why didn't they pass it then?

Huh? It passed out of the House and then out of the Senate. Hello? It then went to conference (the usual route) to create a single bill. Pay attention. Oops, too late now.

Wrong.

TWO different bills were "passed." They are currently trying to reconcile the Senate version. The House version is dead.

Try to keep up.

Oh and, you didn't trouble yourself to answer this:

It's become obvious that the conservatives have won the battle

Lost on you apparently is the fact that the Dems could have passed health care reform quite easily, had they only crafted a bill that was palatable to 100% of its own legislators.

GOP votes and support weren't needed, a reasonable bill, was.

Wonder why?

 

[boedicca]

Dems had enough votes before. Why didn't they pass it then?

Huh? It passed out of the House and then out of the Senate. Hello? It then went to conference (the usual route) to create a single bill. Pay attention. Oops, too late now.

If the House had already approved the Senate Version of the Bill, Obama would have signed it by now. The current frenzy to twist the rules is because the House hasn't approved it.