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The two faced politics of the world with so many focusing on harming America and Western liberty (many in positions of power within my own country!). It's turning the other cheek, avoiding mean words to describe certain people and trying NOT to despise them that I am finding increasingly difficult at times.
Thank you for your time.
That is all. As you were.
You must choose between your politics and the teachings that Jesus delivered in the Sermon on the Mount, then all becomes clear. Believing in Jesus and his teachings is different than your politics. Your notions of "harming America and Western liberty" have absolutely nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus. Sometimes they are glaringly inconsistent.
They aren’t inconsistent in the slightest
The two faced politics of the world with so many focusing on harming America and Western liberty (many in positions of power within my own country!). It's turning the other cheek, avoiding mean words to describe certain people and trying NOT to despise them that I am finding increasingly difficult at times.
Thank you for your time.
That is all. As you were.
You must choose between your politics and the teachings that Jesus delivered in the Sermon on the Mount, then all becomes clear. Believing in Jesus and his teachings is different than your politics. Your notions of "harming America and Western liberty" have absolutely nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus. Sometimes they are glaringly inconsistent.
They aren’t inconsistent in the slightest
They are totally inconsistent with the beliefs of the cult that I perceive you to belong to. There have been a lot of cults arising particularly in the southern U.S. states that are not Christian but call themselves that even though they do not follow the teachings of Jesus. Their leaders are people like graham and jeffress and hagee, who are not Christians.
Do you actually believe that all of the books that the committee included in the bible were written by a Supreme Being and are infallible and inerrant?The two faced politics of the world with so many focusing on harming America and Western liberty (many in positions of power within my own country!). It's turning the other cheek, avoiding mean words to describe certain people and trying NOT to despise them that I am finding increasingly difficult at times.
Thank you for your time.
That is all. As you were.
You must choose between your politics and the teachings that Jesus delivered in the Sermon on the Mount, then all becomes clear. Believing in Jesus and his teachings is different than your politics. Your notions of "harming America and Western liberty" have absolutely nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus. Sometimes they are glaringly inconsistent.
They aren’t inconsistent in the slightest
They are totally inconsistent with the beliefs of the cult that I perceive you to belong to. There have been a lot of cults arising particularly in the southern U.S. states that are not Christian but call themselves that even though they do not follow the teachings of Jesus. Their leaders are people like graham and jeffress and hagee, who are not Christians.
The bible is already written, I've read both Testaments and listen to them on audiobook now and again. I don't "follow" anyone but what's written. Even when in church, I am there to celebrate my love of God with others, it doesn't mean I follow anyone.
Priests are humans, they can only recite the bible they can't add to it.
Do you actually believe that all of the books that the committee included in the bible were written by a Supreme Being and are infallible and inerrant?The two faced politics of the world with so many focusing on harming America and Western liberty (many in positions of power within my own country!). It's turning the other cheek, avoiding mean words to describe certain people and trying NOT to despise them that I am finding increasingly difficult at times.
Thank you for your time.
That is all. As you were.
You must choose between your politics and the teachings that Jesus delivered in the Sermon on the Mount, then all becomes clear. Believing in Jesus and his teachings is different than your politics. Your notions of "harming America and Western liberty" have absolutely nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus. Sometimes they are glaringly inconsistent.
They aren’t inconsistent in the slightest
They are totally inconsistent with the beliefs of the cult that I perceive you to belong to. There have been a lot of cults arising particularly in the southern U.S. states that are not Christian but call themselves that even though they do not follow the teachings of Jesus. Their leaders are people like graham and jeffress and hagee, who are not Christians.
The bible is already written, I've read both Testaments and listen to them on audiobook now and again. I don't "follow" anyone but what's written. Even when in church, I am there to celebrate my love of God with others, it doesn't mean I follow anyone.
Priests are humans, they can only recite the bible they can't add to it.
Let's See....shockedcanadian said:It's turning the other cheek, avoiding mean words to describe certain people and trying NOT to despise them that I am finding increasingly difficult at times.
Thank you for your time.
That is all. As you were.
mainly because they bad mouth the needy, the poor, the sick, the stranger, those imprisoned....The two faced politics of the world with so many focusing on harming America and Western liberty (many in positions of power within my own country!). It's turning the other cheek, avoiding mean words to describe certain people and trying NOT to despise them that I am finding increasingly difficult at times.
Thank you for your time.
That is all. As you were.
You must choose between your politics and the teachings that Jesus delivered in the Sermon on the Mount, then all becomes clear. Believing in Jesus and his teachings is different than your politics. Your notions of "harming America and Western liberty" have absolutely nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus. Sometimes they are glaringly inconsistent.
No, they are not. Because you think Jesus said give all your money to the government and then the government will redistribute the money to the poor.
Um no, Jesus did not say that. It was a terrible idea then and it's a terrible idea now.
Nobody said "give all your money to the government." And this is not what has been done in the U.S. But helping people who need help is definitely consistent with the teachings of Jesus. Keeping to all to yourself is not.
The people today who loudly advertise that they are Christians, are not Christians.
And you are the judge of this, how? You know what they're giving to the poor how? Are you judging because they oppose policies by which they give "charitably" to the gov't and the gov't redistributes the wealth?
Historically speaking ... wasn't it always pretty difficult?
Religious beliefs are not the inception of moral foundations. You seem to be implying moral beliefs and religion go hand in hand, they don't. Religion is not needed for morals, and sometimes unfortunately is used for an excuse for poor morals "I prayed and Jesus said all is forgiven".We all take our beliefs with us wherever we go and they form our opinions, so of course I realize that. It does not change my earlier statement. Legislation to force everyone to live in accordance with their religious beliefs is going too far, as in denying homosexuals the right to the civil benefits and protections of marriage.Except for some of the monkeys here, I have NEVER heard or seen a Christian of any stripe be persecuted or given a hard time about anything. Well, a few people roll their eyes at the women who throw up their arms and holler PRAISE JESUS in our very buttoned up little community church. (They have since formed their own little church that meets in the Town Office, and no one rolls their eyes in FRONT of them.)
Just like the boogeyman that the Right is creating out of the Left, there seems to be an effort here to imagine an enemy where none exists, in order to give believers the glory of battling persecution.
If you guys would simply mind your own faith and let others mind theirs, there would be no clash whatsoever. You are trying to bring your faith into politics and legislate what is right and wrong according to your religion. That is not going to fly because this country was established in definite opposition to mixing church and state. From the shenanigans I see going on here, I can understand why they set it up that way, too.
Wrong. The nation was not founded on "separation of church and state". The nation was founded on neutrality--that is, the nation simply does not take a stance on religion. If your stance is "the separation of church and state" that is in fact a strong stance--it is secularism.
Elected representatives can absolutely take their religious views right into their votes, and so can we. If you don't like that stance, vote for different politicians.
Um. Moral foundations and to an extent religious beliefs are the very foundation of laws. If you can't call a behavior "wrong", you don't legislate it. Even the value of human life is a moral/religious belief. We don't think our fellow human beings are meat bags walking around, so we believe killing them is wrong. Thus laws about murder. Etc, etc, etc.
Religious beliefs are not the inception of moral foundations. You seem to be implying moral beliefs and religion go hand in hand, they don't. Religion is not needed for morals, and sometimes unfortunately is used for an excuse for poor morals "I prayed and Jesus said all is forgiven".We all take our beliefs with us wherever we go and they form our opinions, so of course I realize that. It does not change my earlier statement. Legislation to force everyone to live in accordance with their religious beliefs is going too far, as in denying homosexuals the right to the civil benefits and protections of marriage.Except for some of the monkeys here, I have NEVER heard or seen a Christian of any stripe be persecuted or given a hard time about anything. Well, a few people roll their eyes at the women who throw up their arms and holler PRAISE JESUS in our very buttoned up little community church. (They have since formed their own little church that meets in the Town Office, and no one rolls their eyes in FRONT of them.)
Just like the boogeyman that the Right is creating out of the Left, there seems to be an effort here to imagine an enemy where none exists, in order to give believers the glory of battling persecution.
If you guys would simply mind your own faith and let others mind theirs, there would be no clash whatsoever. You are trying to bring your faith into politics and legislate what is right and wrong according to your religion. That is not going to fly because this country was established in definite opposition to mixing church and state. From the shenanigans I see going on here, I can understand why they set it up that way, too.
Wrong. The nation was not founded on "separation of church and state". The nation was founded on neutrality--that is, the nation simply does not take a stance on religion. If your stance is "the separation of church and state" that is in fact a strong stance--it is secularism.
Elected representatives can absolutely take their religious views right into their votes, and so can we. If you don't like that stance, vote for different politicians.
Um. Moral foundations and to an extent religious beliefs are the very foundation of laws. If you can't call a behavior "wrong", you don't legislate it. Even the value of human life is a moral/religious belief. We don't think our fellow human beings are meat bags walking around, so we believe killing them is wrong. Thus laws about murder. Etc, etc, etc.
A religion adopting morals is a good thing, they have nothing to do with it though as they are adopting them. You don't need religion for morals, humans had morals before they invented religions.
You're kinda the poster child for this unlikeability thing huh.NO! Believe what you want but leave me out of it.How does that have anything to do with my comment?They hated Him first. You know that's in the Bible, right?
The very message of the Cross offends and people will hate us for proclaiming it.
"For the message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."--1 Corinthians 1:18
"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated Me first."--John 15:18
Okay I don't believe taking all the stuff in your house is wrong. I will take it, but I won't force you to believe what I believe while I make off with all your stuff.
Gee, that was easy.
PS While you're at it, will you clean out your 401K? all right thanks
humans had morals before they invented religions.
humans had morals before they invented religions.
I'm pretty sure religion has been with us longer than codified ethics. It started the night some enterprising tribesman told his fellows that if they give him half the tribe's silver he can appeal to the animal spirits for a good hunt.
humans had morals before they invented religions.
I'm pretty sure religion has been with us longer than codified ethics. It started the night some enterprising tribesman told his fellows that if they give him half the tribe's silver he can appeal to the animal spirits for a good hunt.
Frankly that's facile and stupid.
I do believe in God, I'm a Deist. If you need religion some imperfect humans came up with to believe in God, good luck with that.Religious beliefs are not the inception of moral foundations. You seem to be implying moral beliefs and religion go hand in hand, they don't. Religion is not needed for morals, and sometimes unfortunately is used for an excuse for poor morals "I prayed and Jesus said all is forgiven".We all take our beliefs with us wherever we go and they form our opinions, so of course I realize that. It does not change my earlier statement. Legislation to force everyone to live in accordance with their religious beliefs is going too far, as in denying homosexuals the right to the civil benefits and protections of marriage.Except for some of the monkeys here, I have NEVER heard or seen a Christian of any stripe be persecuted or given a hard time about anything. Well, a few people roll their eyes at the women who throw up their arms and holler PRAISE JESUS in our very buttoned up little community church. (They have since formed their own little church that meets in the Town Office, and no one rolls their eyes in FRONT of them.)
Just like the boogeyman that the Right is creating out of the Left, there seems to be an effort here to imagine an enemy where none exists, in order to give believers the glory of battling persecution.
If you guys would simply mind your own faith and let others mind theirs, there would be no clash whatsoever. You are trying to bring your faith into politics and legislate what is right and wrong according to your religion. That is not going to fly because this country was established in definite opposition to mixing church and state. From the shenanigans I see going on here, I can understand why they set it up that way, too.
Wrong. The nation was not founded on "separation of church and state". The nation was founded on neutrality--that is, the nation simply does not take a stance on religion. If your stance is "the separation of church and state" that is in fact a strong stance--it is secularism.
Elected representatives can absolutely take their religious views right into their votes, and so can we. If you don't like that stance, vote for different politicians.
Um. Moral foundations and to an extent religious beliefs are the very foundation of laws. If you can't call a behavior "wrong", you don't legislate it. Even the value of human life is a moral/religious belief. We don't think our fellow human beings are meat bags walking around, so we believe killing them is wrong. Thus laws about murder. Etc, etc, etc.
A religion adopting morals is a good thing, they have nothing to do with it though as they are adopting them. You don't need religion for morals, humans had morals before they invented religions.
No you don't need to have a religion to adhere to morals, that's true. However you will have a very difficult time justifying your moral beliefs if you don't believe in God. Really, good luck with that.
That is a good argument that religion goes back as far as the first modern humans. I think humans needed morals or ethics to survive before learning to take advantage of it with religion.humans had morals before they invented religions.
I'm pretty sure religion has been with us longer than codified ethics. It started the night some enterprising tribesman told his fellows that if they give him half the tribe's silver he can appeal to the animal spirits for a good hunt.
I do believe in God, I'm a Deist. If you need religion some imperfect humans came up with to believe in God, good luck with that.Religious beliefs are not the inception of moral foundations. You seem to be implying moral beliefs and religion go hand in hand, they don't. Religion is not needed for morals, and sometimes unfortunately is used for an excuse for poor morals "I prayed and Jesus said all is forgiven".We all take our beliefs with us wherever we go and they form our opinions, so of course I realize that. It does not change my earlier statement. Legislation to force everyone to live in accordance with their religious beliefs is going too far, as in denying homosexuals the right to the civil benefits and protections of marriage.Wrong. The nation was not founded on "separation of church and state". The nation was founded on neutrality--that is, the nation simply does not take a stance on religion. If your stance is "the separation of church and state" that is in fact a strong stance--it is secularism.
Elected representatives can absolutely take their religious views right into their votes, and so can we. If you don't like that stance, vote for different politicians.
Um. Moral foundations and to an extent religious beliefs are the very foundation of laws. If you can't call a behavior "wrong", you don't legislate it. Even the value of human life is a moral/religious belief. We don't think our fellow human beings are meat bags walking around, so we believe killing them is wrong. Thus laws about murder. Etc, etc, etc.
A religion adopting morals is a good thing, they have nothing to do with it though as they are adopting them. You don't need religion for morals, humans had morals before they invented religions.
No you don't need to have a religion to adhere to morals, that's true. However you will have a very difficult time justifying your moral beliefs if you don't believe in God. Really, good luck with that.
What religion does God endorse in your mind? All? Some? Tell me about it.
I don't have a Deist God, I just believe there is God. I also don't think God "made stuff and left".I do believe in God, I'm a Deist. If you need religion some imperfect humans came up with to believe in God, good luck with that.Religious beliefs are not the inception of moral foundations. You seem to be implying moral beliefs and religion go hand in hand, they don't. Religion is not needed for morals, and sometimes unfortunately is used for an excuse for poor morals "I prayed and Jesus said all is forgiven".We all take our beliefs with us wherever we go and they form our opinions, so of course I realize that. It does not change my earlier statement. Legislation to force everyone to live in accordance with their religious beliefs is going too far, as in denying homosexuals the right to the civil benefits and protections of marriage.
Um. Moral foundations and to an extent religious beliefs are the very foundation of laws. If you can't call a behavior "wrong", you don't legislate it. Even the value of human life is a moral/religious belief. We don't think our fellow human beings are meat bags walking around, so we believe killing them is wrong. Thus laws about murder. Etc, etc, etc.
A religion adopting morals is a good thing, they have nothing to do with it though as they are adopting them. You don't need religion for morals, humans had morals before they invented religions.
No you don't need to have a religion to adhere to morals, that's true. However you will have a very difficult time justifying your moral beliefs if you don't believe in God. Really, good luck with that.
What religion does God endorse in your mind? All? Some? Tell me about it.
I needn't tell you--you're already a perfect god in your own mind. Your deist god is not perfect, he made stuff and left. Religion is not perfect. Humans are not perfect, except for you, of course--you've got it all figured out, and can tell the rest of us about it.
Idolatry, as old as humanity. You just gave it a new name.
I don't have a Deist God, I just believe there is God. I also don't think God "made stuff and left".I do believe in God, I'm a Deist. If you need religion some imperfect humans came up with to believe in God, good luck with that.Religious beliefs are not the inception of moral foundations. You seem to be implying moral beliefs and religion go hand in hand, they don't. Religion is not needed for morals, and sometimes unfortunately is used for an excuse for poor morals "I prayed and Jesus said all is forgiven".Um. Moral foundations and to an extent religious beliefs are the very foundation of laws. If you can't call a behavior "wrong", you don't legislate it. Even the value of human life is a moral/religious belief. We don't think our fellow human beings are meat bags walking around, so we believe killing them is wrong. Thus laws about murder. Etc, etc, etc.
A religion adopting morals is a good thing, they have nothing to do with it though as they are adopting them. You don't need religion for morals, humans had morals before they invented religions.
No you don't need to have a religion to adhere to morals, that's true. However you will have a very difficult time justifying your moral beliefs if you don't believe in God. Really, good luck with that.
What religion does God endorse in your mind? All? Some? Tell me about it.
I needn't tell you--you're already a perfect god in your own mind. Your deist god is not perfect, he made stuff and left. Religion is not perfect. Humans are not perfect, except for you, of course--you've got it all figured out, and can tell the rest of us about it.
Idolatry, as old as humanity. You just gave it a new name.
You are free to think I am "God in my own mind" for expressing my opinion; I hope you hold this standard to religions that preach their version of beliefs and try to convert people to their way as well.
The two faced politics of the world with so many focusing on harming America and Western liberty (many in positions of power within my own country!). It's turning the other cheek, avoiding mean words to describe certain people and trying NOT to despise them that I am finding increasingly difficult at times.
Thank you for your time.
That is all. As you were.
