Judge Sullivan Scrambles For A Lifeline To Bail HIMSELF Out Of Dropped Flynn Case

[colfax_m]

They don't have to indicate ANYTHING but to cast doubt on the prosecutor's case. NAMELY, Flynn's intent. Flynn can use those notes to show that it was not his intent to lie. They set him up. That is a defense to the willful aspect.

How do the notes of a discussion that Flynn never knew existed have any bearing on his intent?

 

[mudwhistle]

That assumes that agents don't have an agenda or a plan going into the interview.

The FBI always has a plan going into an interview. They need to know what information they are trying to elicit from the person being interviewed.

So basically they set him up because this kind of shit is normal practice and they knew they would probably get away with it, which is exactly what James Comey joked about when he admitted it was a setup.

The plan was to find the truth about the phone call with the russian ambassador in december (while Flynn was a private citizen aka American 1).

They were to find out what was discussed, and gave Flynn the chance to respond truthfully.

They knew what was going on. Flynn was gonna be the new director and Democrats were pissed at losing the WH. Flynn had the right and an obligation to establish communications with the Russian Embassy.
Democrats were investigating him without calling it an investigation.

 

[mudwhistle]

They don't have to indicate ANYTHING but to cast doubt on the prosecutor's case. NAMELY, Flynn's intent. Flynn can use those notes to show that it was not his intent to lie. They set him up. That is a defense to the willful aspect.

How do the notes of a discussion that Flynn never knew existed have any bearing on his intent?

What makes you think Flynn knew nothing about blnothing?

 

[meaner gene]

The NSA doesn't listen in on presidential phone calls made from the oval office. I need not remind you that the president is given a special phone that is encrypted from outside monitoring.

So basically if that's really the case, the whistleblower made it all up, cuz nobody listened in on his conversation. But you don't have to listen in on a conversation to get computer generated transcripts from the conversation. The NSA data-mines phone conversations all of the time..and nobody is listening in. I guess we have to be specific about every detail to keep people from avoiding the truth.

Maybe I have to speak slowly, because you don't know much about white house communications. Inside the west wing you have secure communications channels, including from the oval office to the situation room, where Vidman and others were listening in.

Communication outside of the white house, where the NSA could intercept them, is encrypted to prevent anybody else, including the NSA from intercepting them

 

[mudwhistle]

Are you talking about the Transcript of Trumps phone call with the Ukraine President?

We could be, but we aren't.

Then why two different views on the editing of transcripts. Where presidential transcripts (covered by presidential records act) are routinely edited by people who weren't in on the call.

Apples and Oranges.
You're confusing a criminal investigation with transposing dialog during communications. And the person that is transposing the transcripts needs to hear the conversation personally either live or by recording. Page altered the 302 without doing either. Apples and oranges.

Page made some grammatical changes and edited for clarity. She made no substantive changes.

Can you swear to that in court, or are you assuming that's the case?

That’s what Page has testified to under oath. She would often proofread 302s for grammar.

Yeah......that's the ticket.

Where have I heard this before.

Talking about kids and Yoga instead of talking about the case and offering a bribe.

 

[meaner gene]

They were to find out what was discussed, and gave Flynn the chance to respond truthfully.

They already had a transcript of the call and knew what was discussed. They weren't looking for information, they were trying to catch Flynn in a lie or anything close to it. IOW, they were trying to create a crime that they could charge him with, because at that point they had NOTHIN'. We know this because the FBI agents who did the Flynn investigation found no information against him and were ready to close the case.

They were giving Flynn a chance to speak the truth. According to the Vice President, Flynn lied to him, and the FBI interview would allow Flynn to clear up that discrepancy.

 

[colfax_m]

They don't have to indicate ANYTHING but to cast doubt on the prosecutor's case. NAMELY, Flynn's intent. Flynn can use those notes to show that it was not his intent to lie. They set him up. That is a defense to the willful aspect.

How do the notes of a discussion that Flynn never knew existed have any bearing on his intent?

What makes you think Flynn knew nothing about blnothing?

What is he psychic?

 

[meaner gene]

They don't have to indicate ANYTHING but to cast doubt on the prosecutor's case. NAMELY, Flynn's intent. Flynn can use those notes to show that it was not his intent to lie. They set him up. That is a defense to the willful aspect.

How do the notes of a discussion that Flynn never knew existed have any bearing on his intent?

It's the job of the defense, not to prove innocence, but to put enough "reasonable doubt" into play.

"If the glove don't fit, you must acquit" comes to mind.

What makes Flynns case more difficult, is he already plead guilty.

 

[colfax_m]

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Are you talking about the Transcript of Trumps phone call with the Ukraine President?

We could be, but we aren't.

Then why two different views on the editing of transcripts. Where presidential transcripts (covered by presidential records act) are routinely edited by people who weren't in on the call.

Apples and Oranges.
You're confusing a criminal investigation with transposing dialog during communications. And the person that is transposing the transcripts needs to hear the conversation personally either live or by recording. Page altered the 302 without doing either. Apples and oranges.

Page made some grammatical changes and edited for clarity. She made no substantive changes.

Can you swear to that in court, or are you assuming that's the case?

That’s what Page has testified to under oath. She would often proofread 302s for grammar.

Yeah......that's the ticket.

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Where have I heard this before.

Talking about kids and Yoga instead of talking about the case and offering a bribe.

Is that the best you can do? Your incredulity doesn’t overrule testimony.

 

[meaner gene]

They knew what was going on. Flynn was gonna be the new director and Democrats were pissed at losing the WH. Flynn had the right and an obligation to establish communications with the Russian Embassy.
Democrats were investigating him without calling it an investigation.

Actually the Obama administration was having serious discussions about what they could or couldn't tell Mike Flynn. He was getting top secret briefings, and they needed to know if he was a compromised or a russian operative, and if he could be trusted with our intelligence "jewels".

Think of Aldrich Ames, or Robet Hansen

 

[task0778]

They were to find out what was discussed, and gave Flynn the chance to respond truthfully.

They already had a transcript of the call and knew what was discussed. They weren't looking for information, they were trying to catch Flynn in a lie or anything close to it. IOW, they were trying to create a crime that they could charge him with, because at that point they had NOTHIN'. We know this because the FBI agents who did the Flynn investigation found no information against him and were ready to close the case.

They were giving Flynn a chance to speak the truth. According to the Vice President, Flynn lied to him, and the FBI interview would allow Flynn to clear up that discrepancy.

Bullshit. The FBI didn't give a rat's ass about Pence or the truth. They already had the transcript of the call and knew what the truth was. The FBI was trying to fuck him over cuz they came up dry trying to find anything they could use against him. We know this because the FBI who were investigating Flynn were ready to close the investigation against him.

 

[colfax_m]

They were to find out what was discussed, and gave Flynn the chance to respond truthfully.

They already had a transcript of the call and knew what was discussed. They weren't looking for information, they were trying to catch Flynn in a lie or anything close to it. IOW, they were trying to create a crime that they could charge him with, because at that point they had NOTHIN'. We know this because the FBI agents who did the Flynn investigation found no information against him and were ready to close the case.

They were giving Flynn a chance to speak the truth. According to the Vice President, Flynn lied to him, and the FBI interview would allow Flynn to clear up that discrepancy.

Bullshit. The FBI didn't give a rat's ass about Pence or the truth. They already had the transcript of the call and knew what the truth was. The FBI was trying to fuck him over cuz they came up dry trying to find anything they could use against him. We know this because the FBI who were investigating Flynn were ready to close the investigation against him.

How do you think the government should approach a person with high level security clearance who is lying to their superiors about conversations with Russians?

 

[meaner gene]

Bullshit. The FBI didn't give a rat's ass about Pence or the truth. They already had the transcript of the call and knew what the truth was. The FBI was trying to fuck him over cuz they came up dry trying to find anything they could use against him. We know this because the FBI who were investigating Flynn were ready to close the investigation against him.

The FBI was also charged with a counterintelligence investigation of whether or not Flynn was compromised, or a russian operative.

How Flynn answered would be relevant to what Top Secret information they could allow Flynn to get. As you know, under the transition, Flynn was given top secret briefings that would do serious harm to national security if Flynn revealed them to the russians.

 

[meaner gene]

How do you think the government should approach a person with high level security clearance who is lying to their superiors about conversations with Russians?

We know Flynn was talking to the russian ambassador (and lying about it). We would be in a world of trouble if Flynn started passing information to Putin that would reveal deep cover operatives within the Russian government.

 

[lantern2814]

Sullivan may vacate the 18 USC 1001 charge, and then charge Flynn with perjury.

You can't lie under oath to a federal judge.

1. A Federal Judge can NOT 'charge' anyone with a crime.

According to legal precedence Sullivan has no option but to dropt the case; however, he is bringing in his Trump-hating pal to discuss the ability to 'find' Flynn in COMTEMP of court.


2. Democrats lie under oath all the time. If all of their Democrats who lied under oath were in jail today, Gitmo would be full.

The last President to lie under oath and be found in Contempt was Slick Willy. He was given no jail time, but he did his license to practice law temporarily stripped.

"A Federal Judge can NOT 'charge' anyone with a crime"

Are you ever not a retard?

CLINTON IS FOUND TO BE IN CONTEMPT ON JONES LAWSUIT (Published 1999)

Federal Judge Susan Webber Wright cites Pres Clinton for contempt, ruling he willfully provided false testimony under oath about his relationship with Monica S Lewinsky in January 1998 deposition in sexual misconduct lawsuit filed by Paula Corbin Jones; scathing 32-page decision says Clinton's...

www.nytimes.com

Apparently some people don’t know their constitution very well. The courts have inherent power. They may exercise it with people who are playing games.

Yep.....the Obama DOJ withheld exculpatory evidence (were playing games) and framed Michael Flynn. The Judge took a bribe from somebody in Obama's criminal organization (playing games) to string out the case till Trump is forced to pardon him. If Trump Wins reelection the Democrats (playing games) will try to impeach him for the pardon.

what does it say about Flynn's attorneys if they had him plead guilty, and affirm that guilty plea, when according to Barr there was never anything to go on? the firm representing Flynn wasn't a bottom of the barrel kind of operation.

From what I've read.....Flynn's original attorneys were corrupt and worked with prosecutors from the corrupt DOJ.
He fired them and his new attorney found that the DOJ set him up.

His new attorney is a hack who pleases the right wing rabble. She wasn’t interested in defending him legally (her motions were legally dubious and smacked down repeatedly by the judge, even calling them unprofessional). She was putting on a public show to gin up right wing outrage and pressure.

Flynn wasn’t set up no matter what way you look at it. No one made him lie.

Flynn’s new attorney actually worked for him instead of against him. Finding the withholding of evidence and now all the other garbage that has come out. Flynn WAS set up. He did not lie. Since you can not produce the ORiGINAL 302, neither you nor the liars in the FBI can say Flynn lied.

The original 302 has been presented and shows he lied. So do the notes from the interview. He lied. Get over it.

Flynn’s lawyer didn’t uncover anything. Her repeated motions for material were a joke and the judge dismissed all of her claims because she’s a shitty lawyer.

Do you ever not lie? The original 302 was never presented because it "went missing". If she's a shitty lawyer, then these prosecutors must be totally inept because she has won. The judge is a biased hack who just got slapped by his superiors. Case closed. Flynn wins and a lot of people are going to be paying him a lot of money.

Where is the evidence of this missing original 302?
or is it some fantasy conspiracy theory.


Flynn is attempting to undo his guilty plea, which makes his guilty plea perjury, a new crime.

Flynn set up his own perjury trap and dove right in.

You stupid fuck, the agents involved have claimed the original is “missing”. Try to keep up. Coerced pleas are invalid, thus perjury is not applicable. Any more bullshit you want debunked?

 

[lantern2814]

Sullivan may vacate the 18 USC 1001 charge, and then charge Flynn with perjury.

You can't lie under oath to a federal judge.

1. A Federal Judge can NOT 'charge' anyone with a crime.

According to legal precedence Sullivan has no option but to dropt the case; however, he is bringing in his Trump-hating pal to discuss the ability to 'find' Flynn in COMTEMP of court.


2. Democrats lie under oath all the time. If all of their Democrats who lied under oath were in jail today, Gitmo would be full.

The last President to lie under oath and be found in Contempt was Slick Willy. He was given no jail time, but he did his license to practice law temporarily stripped.

"A Federal Judge can NOT 'charge' anyone with a crime"

Are you ever not a retard?

CLINTON IS FOUND TO BE IN CONTEMPT ON JONES LAWSUIT (Published 1999)

Federal Judge Susan Webber Wright cites Pres Clinton for contempt, ruling he willfully provided false testimony under oath about his relationship with Monica S Lewinsky in January 1998 deposition in sexual misconduct lawsuit filed by Paula Corbin Jones; scathing 32-page decision says Clinton's...

www.nytimes.com

Apparently some people don’t know their constitution very well. The courts have inherent power. They may exercise it with people who are playing games.

Yep.....the Obama DOJ withheld exculpatory evidence (were playing games) and framed Michael Flynn. The Judge took a bribe from somebody in Obama's criminal organization (playing games) to string out the case till Trump is forced to pardon him. If Trump Wins reelection the Democrats (playing games) will try to impeach him for the pardon.

what does it say about Flynn's attorneys if they had him plead guilty, and affirm that guilty plea, when according to Barr there was never anything to go on? the firm representing Flynn wasn't a bottom of the barrel kind of operation.

From what I've read.....Flynn's original attorneys were corrupt and worked with prosecutors from the corrupt DOJ.
He fired them and his new attorney found that the DOJ set him up.

His new attorney is a hack who pleases the right wing rabble. She wasn’t interested in defending him legally (her motions were legally dubious and smacked down repeatedly by the judge, even calling them unprofessional). She was putting on a public show to gin up right wing outrage and pressure.

Flynn wasn’t set up no matter what way you look at it. No one made him lie.

Flynn’s new attorney actually worked for him instead of against him. Finding the withholding of evidence and now all the other garbage that has come out. Flynn WAS set up. He did not lie. Since you can not produce the ORiGINAL 302, neither you nor the liars in the FBI can say Flynn lied.

The original 302 has been presented and shows he lied. So do the notes from the interview. He lied. Get over it.

Flynn’s lawyer didn’t uncover anything. Her repeated motions for material were a joke and the judge dismissed all of her claims because she’s a shitty lawyer.

No she’s not. Lady is a bonafide shark with a record to back it up. That’s an awful argument. You’re picking sides and Sullivan is your hero. And it’s coming off the heels of an appellate court basically telling Sullivan he has 10 days to get his shit together. Are you really trying to argue Sullivan’s actions aren’t wildly abnormal? The prosecution said they were dropping charges...the judges role by law is over. The only thing he can legally do at this point is slam his gavel.

Maybe back in the day she was more competent but like so many, Trump has changed people into something a little more fringe. Sullivan’s rulings on her motions rip her professionalism.

She’s all over the map.

Sidney Powell Argues that Judge Sullivan Can't Appoint an Amicus at Same Time as Applauding the Time He Did Far More - emptywheel

Yesterday, Sidney Powell was publicly applauding Judge Sullivan's authority to appoint outsiders to review a prosecution gone haywire even as she was submitting a filing telling him he couldn't. She deleted that post -- but she can't delete the prior claims she made in Sullivan's docket.

www.emptywheel.net

The judiciary doesn’t just have to roll over and obey the executive. I’d agree that Sullivan’s actions are wildly abnormal, but they’re only a reflection of the wildly abnormal situation the DoJ has put him in by dropping charges after a guilty plea with no claim of prosecutorial misconduct or exculpatory evidence.

Trump made her bad at her job? And Sullivan did NOT refute Powell’s arguments. He merely said he’s going to go with what Paige said. Again the FBI CANNOT claim any materiality to an investigation since their investigation on Flynn was effectively closed. That’s the biggest piece of evidence. Mind you this is all over a perfectly legal and proper phone call that no one has an objection too. The left is pretending like Flynn is al Capone, and this is their tax evasion. You cannot argue the Logan act, and you can not argue that he was a Russian asset in any sort of way. So the fact that Sullivan is holding this up without explanation over a legal phone call without any shady business is bizarre.

This is all part of a botched attempt to get Flynn to make up improper relations with Russia about trump. The fact that they even attempted the Logan act (if the phone call isn’t enough for you) should set off alarm bells. To justify all of this the FBI was using a dossier that they knew at the time was littered with holes. It’s like if cops used a CI that they knew hated a person, and the CI accused that person of absurd crimes, and the cops knew the CI was lying up and down, and still went after that person. After they investigate that person of the CI’s claims they find nothing the CI said was true, and that the person is innocent, but still try to find a way to charge him of something else. This is America. Our justice system investigates crimes, then goes after the people that commit them. Not the other way around which is find a person, and then find a crime. In Flynn’s case there is no crime. Flynn could tell the FBI he shits rainbows, if the FBI isn’t investigating what comes out of Flynn’s ass, they don’t have a crime.

The Logan Act is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized American citizens with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States, Like Russia was over Ukrainian invasion, hence the sanctions.

1. Flynn was fired from the Obama administration in 2014 and had no authorization to enact policies with regards to sanctions on Russia.
2. Flynn’s lies mattered because they may have concealed a deal between Trump and Russia over sanctions. Keep in Mind Trump himself was not yet the American President and had no authoirty to make policy on behalf of the American people either
3. The Flynn-Kislyak call was recorded by U.S. intelligence agencies. Why?--Flynn is corrupt and the FBI was watching him because he was engaged in criminality The Mueller report's account of Michael Flynn's lies
4. Flynn admitted to violating lobbying laws by failing to register as a foreign agent on behalf of Turkey for hundreds of thousands of dollars of consulting work,
5. On Election Day in 2016, Flynn wrote an op-ed in The Hill criticizing cleric Fethullah Gulen, an enemy of Turkey's president living in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania, as a "radical Islamist" and "shady Islamic mullah." The Wall Street Journal later reported that Flynn and his son twice met with Turkish representatives to discuss kidnapping Gulen and forcibly extraditing him to Turkey.
6. Michael Flynn Pleaded Guilty. Twice.--Even Trump has said his former national security adviser lied to the F.B.I. Opinion | Don’t Forget, Michael Flynn Pleaded Guilty. Twice.
7. Flynn admitted that he had lied to the FBI about his conversations with Kislyak, and that he also had lied to agents about his efforts to influence foreign diplomats regarding a December 2016 UN resolution condemning Israeli settlement construction. He also admitted that he had lied to the Justice Department in a Foreign Agents Registration Act filing by claiming he was not aware he was lobbying for Turkey.
8. Congressional Republican report says Flynn went to infamous Russian spymaster’s house for ‘very productive’ 2015 meeting Flynn 'lied to investigators' about Russia trip, says top House Dem
9. Back in 2017, Pence insisted that Flynn had lied to him too Pence weighs in on Flynn firing, says White House is "fully cooperating" with special counsel

There was no reason to have Flynn's name masked to begin with, Because he was no longer part of the U.S Government, Being on the transition team certainly doesn't qualify, Obama also warned Trump that it would be a bad idea to hire Flynn--Flynn had been fired for erratic behavior and misconduct 2014. Flynn’s current release by Barr does not prove that Flynn was innocent of wrongdoing. Being released by Barr does not convert Flynn’s lies into truth, Flynn’s lies mattered because they may have concealed a deal between Trump and Russia over sanctions.--On the day that the Flynn case was dropped, Trump spoke by telephone to Putin

Irrelevant

Flynn was not charged with logan act violations.

Stay on topic, commie.

.

Is there any reason the Logan Act can’t be used as justification for an investigation?

Not at all, if you don't mind being considered a dumbass.

It’s still the law, is it not?

No one cares who you consider a dumbass.

Is that the rule you clowns want to follow now? ALL laws need to be followed? How about we start with deporting every illegal in this country.

You’re not very good at this.

It’s the law of the land. Can it be used to legally justify an investigation?

The answer is yes. You know it and you just don’t want to admit it.

Until John Kerry is prosecuted under that act, keep your idiotic mouth shut. You lose again.

 

[colfax_m]

Sullivan may vacate the 18 USC 1001 charge, and then charge Flynn with perjury.

You can't lie under oath to a federal judge.

1. A Federal Judge can NOT 'charge' anyone with a crime.

According to legal precedence Sullivan has no option but to dropt the case; however, he is bringing in his Trump-hating pal to discuss the ability to 'find' Flynn in COMTEMP of court.


2. Democrats lie under oath all the time. If all of their Democrats who lied under oath were in jail today, Gitmo would be full.

The last President to lie under oath and be found in Contempt was Slick Willy. He was given no jail time, but he did his license to practice law temporarily stripped.

"A Federal Judge can NOT 'charge' anyone with a crime"

Are you ever not a retard?

CLINTON IS FOUND TO BE IN CONTEMPT ON JONES LAWSUIT (Published 1999)

Federal Judge Susan Webber Wright cites Pres Clinton for contempt, ruling he willfully provided false testimony under oath about his relationship with Monica S Lewinsky in January 1998 deposition in sexual misconduct lawsuit filed by Paula Corbin Jones; scathing 32-page decision says Clinton's...

www.nytimes.com

Apparently some people don’t know their constitution very well. The courts have inherent power. They may exercise it with people who are playing games.

Yep.....the Obama DOJ withheld exculpatory evidence (were playing games) and framed Michael Flynn. The Judge took a bribe from somebody in Obama's criminal organization (playing games) to string out the case till Trump is forced to pardon him. If Trump Wins reelection the Democrats (playing games) will try to impeach him for the pardon.

what does it say about Flynn's attorneys if they had him plead guilty, and affirm that guilty plea, when according to Barr there was never anything to go on? the firm representing Flynn wasn't a bottom of the barrel kind of operation.

From what I've read.....Flynn's original attorneys were corrupt and worked with prosecutors from the corrupt DOJ.
He fired them and his new attorney found that the DOJ set him up.

His new attorney is a hack who pleases the right wing rabble. She wasn’t interested in defending him legally (her motions were legally dubious and smacked down repeatedly by the judge, even calling them unprofessional). She was putting on a public show to gin up right wing outrage and pressure.

Flynn wasn’t set up no matter what way you look at it. No one made him lie.

Flynn’s new attorney actually worked for him instead of against him. Finding the withholding of evidence and now all the other garbage that has come out. Flynn WAS set up. He did not lie. Since you can not produce the ORiGINAL 302, neither you nor the liars in the FBI can say Flynn lied.

The original 302 has been presented and shows he lied. So do the notes from the interview. He lied. Get over it.

Flynn’s lawyer didn’t uncover anything. Her repeated motions for material were a joke and the judge dismissed all of her claims because she’s a shitty lawyer.

Do you ever not lie? The original 302 was never presented because it "went missing". If she's a shitty lawyer, then these prosecutors must be totally inept because she has won. The judge is a biased hack who just got slapped by his superiors. Case closed. Flynn wins and a lot of people are going to be paying him a lot of money.

Where is the evidence of this missing original 302?
or is it some fantasy conspiracy theory.


Flynn is attempting to undo his guilty plea, which makes his guilty plea perjury, a new crime.

Flynn set up his own perjury trap and dove right in.

You stupid fuck, the agents involved have claimed the original is “missing”. Try to keep up. Coerced pleas are invalid, thus perjury is not applicable. Any more bullshit you want debunked?

What do you mean by “original”? The 302 the agents signed has been out for ages.

 

[sakinago]

Sullivan may vacate the 18 USC 1001 charge, and then charge Flynn with perjury.

You can't lie under oath to a federal judge.

1. A Federal Judge can NOT 'charge' anyone with a crime.

According to legal precedence Sullivan has no option but to dropt the case; however, he is bringing in his Trump-hating pal to discuss the ability to 'find' Flynn in COMTEMP of court.


2. Democrats lie under oath all the time. If all of their Democrats who lied under oath were in jail today, Gitmo would be full.

The last President to lie under oath and be found in Contempt was Slick Willy. He was given no jail time, but he did his license to practice law temporarily stripped.

"A Federal Judge can NOT 'charge' anyone with a crime"

Are you ever not a retard?

CLINTON IS FOUND TO BE IN CONTEMPT ON JONES LAWSUIT (Published 1999)

Federal Judge Susan Webber Wright cites Pres Clinton for contempt, ruling he willfully provided false testimony under oath about his relationship with Monica S Lewinsky in January 1998 deposition in sexual misconduct lawsuit filed by Paula Corbin Jones; scathing 32-page decision says Clinton's...

www.nytimes.com

Apparently some people don’t know their constitution very well. The courts have inherent power. They may exercise it with people who are playing games.

Yep.....the Obama DOJ withheld exculpatory evidence (were playing games) and framed Michael Flynn. The Judge took a bribe from somebody in Obama's criminal organization (playing games) to string out the case till Trump is forced to pardon him. If Trump Wins reelection the Democrats (playing games) will try to impeach him for the pardon.

what does it say about Flynn's attorneys if they had him plead guilty, and affirm that guilty plea, when according to Barr there was never anything to go on? the firm representing Flynn wasn't a bottom of the barrel kind of operation.

From what I've read.....Flynn's original attorneys were corrupt and worked with prosecutors from the corrupt DOJ.
He fired them and his new attorney found that the DOJ set him up.

His new attorney is a hack who pleases the right wing rabble. She wasn’t interested in defending him legally (her motions were legally dubious and smacked down repeatedly by the judge, even calling them unprofessional). She was putting on a public show to gin up right wing outrage and pressure.

Flynn wasn’t set up no matter what way you look at it. No one made him lie.

Flynn’s new attorney actually worked for him instead of against him. Finding the withholding of evidence and now all the other garbage that has come out. Flynn WAS set up. He did not lie. Since you can not produce the ORiGINAL 302, neither you nor the liars in the FBI can say Flynn lied.

The original 302 has been presented and shows he lied. So do the notes from the interview. He lied. Get over it.

Flynn’s lawyer didn’t uncover anything. Her repeated motions for material were a joke and the judge dismissed all of her claims because she’s a shitty lawyer.

No she’s not. Lady is a bonafide shark with a record to back it up. That’s an awful argument. You’re picking sides and Sullivan is your hero. And it’s coming off the heels of an appellate court basically telling Sullivan he has 10 days to get his shit together. Are you really trying to argue Sullivan’s actions aren’t wildly abnormal? The prosecution said they were dropping charges...the judges role by law is over. The only thing he can legally do at this point is slam his gavel.

Maybe back in the day she was more competent but like so many, Trump has changed people into something a little more fringe. Sullivan’s rulings on her motions rip her professionalism.

She’s all over the map.

Sidney Powell Argues that Judge Sullivan Can't Appoint an Amicus at Same Time as Applauding the Time He Did Far More - emptywheel

Yesterday, Sidney Powell was publicly applauding Judge Sullivan's authority to appoint outsiders to review a prosecution gone haywire even as she was submitting a filing telling him he couldn't. She deleted that post -- but she can't delete the prior claims she made in Sullivan's docket.

www.emptywheel.net

The judiciary doesn’t just have to roll over and obey the executive. I’d agree that Sullivan’s actions are wildly abnormal, but they’re only a reflection of the wildly abnormal situation the DoJ has put him in by dropping charges after a guilty plea with no claim of prosecutorial misconduct or exculpatory evidence.

Trump made her bad at her job? And Sullivan did NOT refute Powell’s arguments. He merely said he’s going to go with what Paige said. Again the FBI CANNOT claim any materiality to an investigation since their investigation on Flynn was effectively closed. That’s the biggest piece of evidence. Mind you this is all over a perfectly legal and proper phone call that no one has an objection too. The left is pretending like Flynn is al Capone, and this is their tax evasion. You cannot argue the Logan act, and you can not argue that he was a Russian asset in any sort of way. So the fact that Sullivan is holding this up without explanation over a legal phone call without any shady business is bizarre.

This is all part of a botched attempt to get Flynn to make up improper relations with Russia about trump. The fact that they even attempted the Logan act (if the phone call isn’t enough for you) should set off alarm bells. To justify all of this the FBI was using a dossier that they knew at the time was littered with holes. It’s like if cops used a CI that they knew hated a person, and the CI accused that person of absurd crimes, and the cops knew the CI was lying up and down, and still went after that person. After they investigate that person of the CI’s claims they find nothing the CI said was true, and that the person is innocent, but still try to find a way to charge him of something else. This is America. Our justice system investigates crimes, then goes after the people that commit them. Not the other way around which is find a person, and then find a crime. In Flynn’s case there is no crime. Flynn could tell the FBI he shits rainbows, if the FBI isn’t investigating what comes out of Flynn’s ass, they don’t have a crime.

The Logan Act is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized American citizens with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States, Like Russia was over Ukrainian invasion, hence the sanctions.

1. Flynn was fired from the Obama administration in 2014 and had no authorization to enact policies with regards to sanctions on Russia.
2. Flynn’s lies mattered because they may have concealed a deal between Trump and Russia over sanctions. Keep in Mind Trump himself was not yet the American President and had no authoirty to make policy on behalf of the American people either
3. The Flynn-Kislyak call was recorded by U.S. intelligence agencies. Why?--Flynn is corrupt and the FBI was watching him because he was engaged in criminality The Mueller report's account of Michael Flynn's lies
4. Flynn admitted to violating lobbying laws by failing to register as a foreign agent on behalf of Turkey for hundreds of thousands of dollars of consulting work,
5. On Election Day in 2016, Flynn wrote an op-ed in The Hill criticizing cleric Fethullah Gulen, an enemy of Turkey's president living in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania, as a "radical Islamist" and "shady Islamic mullah." The Wall Street Journal later reported that Flynn and his son twice met with Turkish representatives to discuss kidnapping Gulen and forcibly extraditing him to Turkey.
6. Michael Flynn Pleaded Guilty. Twice.--Even Trump has said his former national security adviser lied to the F.B.I. Opinion | Don’t Forget, Michael Flynn Pleaded Guilty. Twice.
7. Flynn admitted that he had lied to the FBI about his conversations with Kislyak, and that he also had lied to agents about his efforts to influence foreign diplomats regarding a December 2016 UN resolution condemning Israeli settlement construction. He also admitted that he had lied to the Justice Department in a Foreign Agents Registration Act filing by claiming he was not aware he was lobbying for Turkey.
8. Congressional Republican report says Flynn went to infamous Russian spymaster’s house for ‘very productive’ 2015 meeting Flynn 'lied to investigators' about Russia trip, says top House Dem
9. Back in 2017, Pence insisted that Flynn had lied to him too Pence weighs in on Flynn firing, says White House is "fully cooperating" with special counsel

There was no reason to have Flynn's name masked to begin with, Because he was no longer part of the U.S Government, Being on the transition team certainly doesn't qualify, Obama also warned Trump that it would be a bad idea to hire Flynn--Flynn had been fired for erratic behavior and misconduct 2014. Flynn’s current release by Barr does not prove that Flynn was innocent of wrongdoing. Being released by Barr does not convert Flynn’s lies into truth, Flynn’s lies mattered because they may have concealed a deal between Trump and Russia over sanctions.--On the day that the Flynn case was dropped, Trump spoke by telephone to Putin

Jesus I almost can’t keep up with the overwhelming amount of lies and half truths in this. NO, there is no basis for the Logan act. Presidential transition teams are a legally recognized governmental entities since 1968. IF what your saying is true then both Obama circa 2007-2008 and Romney, and their selected teams (and every pres candidate in recent history) would be guilty of violating the Logan act. See this article here.

Did candidate Obama call world leaders in 2008?

Friday ushered in a surreal new chapter in the duel between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney over how to approach relations with Israel and Iran's…

foreignpolicy.com

The story manufactured and circulated by the media about Flynn and sanctions implying there was wrong doing was sheer propaganda that stupid naive people, either no recollection of history, knowledge of the law, eat up like candy. Because orange man bad. To suggest he did anything wrong by doing his job, like dozens of NSAs before him is bonkers, but also very normal for the media (who were working hand in hand with the Obama administration trying to push this Russia collusion story we know is BS). The Logan act was passed early in America because foreign con-men were telling world leaders they had an in with the newly formed US. Also, was the Obama administrations intent to have Russia escalate? That’s what you’re arguing now.

No Flynn’s “lie” did not matter, and the FBI knew that for a fact back then which is why they filed a closure EC. They also weren’t even sure they could make a convincing case that Flynn had actually lied, according to Comey. In the EDITED 302s there is no discussion of sanctions. Expulsions yes, the sanctions the day before, no. How could Flynn lie about what he wasn’t asked. And for the 50th time, Flynn’s “lie” was not material to any investigation the FBI was conducting. It had nothing to do with Flynn being a Russian asset, the FBI determined that he wasn’t when they filed the EC. Now the media is trying to now argue (because the Logan act is so outlandish), 4 years late and wrongly, that Flynn could’ve been blackmailed by the Russians because he lied. A statement that makes me have to literally shake the WTF out of my head. Basically if any government official has the tiniest secret, or in Flynn’s case the appearance of a secret, the FBI needs to arrest and charge them. Also...Russia is going to blackmail Flynn for asking them not to escalate?....Also...Russia never did try to blackmail Flynn, and we know because he was surveilled out the ass, even after they decided to close the case (but you never hear anything about FBI clearly abusing their surveillance powers). It’s basically arguing for a pre-crime that was never going to happen. Remember when minority report was seen as a scary dystopian future?

Flynn wasn’t corrupt, that’s an a priori statement pushed by the media. He just didn’t know he had to file them, a mistake he later rectified. Go charge him with that, much better case there, oh wait, they didn’t, because thousands of Americans would be charged with the same thing.

Flynn plead guilty, because he was forced into it, they threatened to go after his son. 97% of cases, including ones where people are innocent, are plead guilty. Watch basically any Netflix documentary on crime, they’re almost all innocent people forced into guilty pleas. This is a silly argument. He never would’ve plead guilty if they left his son out of it. He also withdrew his plea, something you are allowed to do.

Both trump and pence have come out and said they don’t believe he lied or lied intentionally. With the BS media firestorm surrounding this, and the FBI prosecuting, they were pretty much forced into asking for his resignation. Trump said something a year ago that I thought was ridiculous at the time but now I understand he just knew more about the case than I did. He tweeted something along the lines of it was wrong what they did to Flynn.

 

[sakinago]

Sullivan may vacate the 18 USC 1001 charge, and then charge Flynn with perjury.

You can't lie under oath to a federal judge.

1. A Federal Judge can NOT 'charge' anyone with a crime.

According to legal precedence Sullivan has no option but to dropt the case; however, he is bringing in his Trump-hating pal to discuss the ability to 'find' Flynn in COMTEMP of court.


2. Democrats lie under oath all the time. If all of their Democrats who lied under oath were in jail today, Gitmo would be full.

The last President to lie under oath and be found in Contempt was Slick Willy. He was given no jail time, but he did his license to practice law temporarily stripped.

"A Federal Judge can NOT 'charge' anyone with a crime"

Are you ever not a retard?

CLINTON IS FOUND TO BE IN CONTEMPT ON JONES LAWSUIT (Published 1999)

Federal Judge Susan Webber Wright cites Pres Clinton for contempt, ruling he willfully provided false testimony under oath about his relationship with Monica S Lewinsky in January 1998 deposition in sexual misconduct lawsuit filed by Paula Corbin Jones; scathing 32-page decision says Clinton's...

www.nytimes.com

Apparently some people don’t know their constitution very well. The courts have inherent power. They may exercise it with people who are playing games.

Yep.....the Obama DOJ withheld exculpatory evidence (were playing games) and framed Michael Flynn. The Judge took a bribe from somebody in Obama's criminal organization (playing games) to string out the case till Trump is forced to pardon him. If Trump Wins reelection the Democrats (playing games) will try to impeach him for the pardon.

what does it say about Flynn's attorneys if they had him plead guilty, and affirm that guilty plea, when according to Barr there was never anything to go on? the firm representing Flynn wasn't a bottom of the barrel kind of operation.

From what I've read.....Flynn's original attorneys were corrupt and worked with prosecutors from the corrupt DOJ.
He fired them and his new attorney found that the DOJ set him up.

His new attorney is a hack who pleases the right wing rabble. She wasn’t interested in defending him legally (her motions were legally dubious and smacked down repeatedly by the judge, even calling them unprofessional). She was putting on a public show to gin up right wing outrage and pressure.

Flynn wasn’t set up no matter what way you look at it. No one made him lie.

Flynn’s new attorney actually worked for him instead of against him. Finding the withholding of evidence and now all the other garbage that has come out. Flynn WAS set up. He did not lie. Since you can not produce the ORiGINAL 302, neither you nor the liars in the FBI can say Flynn lied.

The original 302 has been presented and shows he lied. So do the notes from the interview. He lied. Get over it.

Flynn’s lawyer didn’t uncover anything. Her repeated motions for material were a joke and the judge dismissed all of her claims because she’s a shitty lawyer.

No she’s not. Lady is a bonafide shark with a record to back it up. That’s an awful argument. You’re picking sides and Sullivan is your hero. And it’s coming off the heels of an appellate court basically telling Sullivan he has 10 days to get his shit together. Are you really trying to argue Sullivan’s actions aren’t wildly abnormal? The prosecution said they were dropping charges...the judges role by law is over. The only thing he can legally do at this point is slam his gavel.

Maybe back in the day she was more competent but like so many, Trump has changed people into something a little more fringe. Sullivan’s rulings on her motions rip her professionalism.

She’s all over the map.

Sidney Powell Argues that Judge Sullivan Can't Appoint an Amicus at Same Time as Applauding the Time He Did Far More - emptywheel

Yesterday, Sidney Powell was publicly applauding Judge Sullivan's authority to appoint outsiders to review a prosecution gone haywire even as she was submitting a filing telling him he couldn't. She deleted that post -- but she can't delete the prior claims she made in Sullivan's docket.

www.emptywheel.net

The judiciary doesn’t just have to roll over and obey the executive. I’d agree that Sullivan’s actions are wildly abnormal, but they’re only a reflection of the wildly abnormal situation the DoJ has put him in by dropping charges after a guilty plea with no claim of prosecutorial misconduct or exculpatory evidence.

Trump made her bad at her job? And Sullivan did NOT refute Powell’s arguments. He merely said he’s going to go with what Paige said. Again the FBI CANNOT claim any materiality to an investigation since their investigation on Flynn was effectively closed. That’s the biggest piece of evidence. Mind you this is all over a perfectly legal and proper phone call that no one has an objection too. The left is pretending like Flynn is al Capone, and this is their tax evasion. You cannot argue the Logan act, and you can not argue that he was a Russian asset in any sort of way. So the fact that Sullivan is holding this up without explanation over a legal phone call without any shady business is bizarre.

This is all part of a botched attempt to get Flynn to make up improper relations with Russia about trump. The fact that they even attempted the Logan act (if the phone call isn’t enough for you) should set off alarm bells. To justify all of this the FBI was using a dossier that they knew at the time was littered with holes. It’s like if cops used a CI that they knew hated a person, and the CI accused that person of absurd crimes, and the cops knew the CI was lying up and down, and still went after that person. After they investigate that person of the CI’s claims they find nothing the CI said was true, and that the person is innocent, but still try to find a way to charge him of something else. This is America. Our justice system investigates crimes, then goes after the people that commit them. Not the other way around which is find a person, and then find a crime. In Flynn’s case there is no crime. Flynn could tell the FBI he shits rainbows, if the FBI isn’t investigating what comes out of Flynn’s ass, they don’t have a crime.

The Logan Act is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized American citizens with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States, Like Russia was over Ukrainian invasion, hence the sanctions.

1. Flynn was fired from the Obama administration in 2014 and had no authorization to enact policies with regards to sanctions on Russia.
2. Flynn’s lies mattered because they may have concealed a deal between Trump and Russia over sanctions. Keep in Mind Trump himself was not yet the American President and had no authoirty to make policy on behalf of the American people either
3. The Flynn-Kislyak call was recorded by U.S. intelligence agencies. Why?--Flynn is corrupt and the FBI was watching him because he was engaged in criminality The Mueller report's account of Michael Flynn's lies
4. Flynn admitted to violating lobbying laws by failing to register as a foreign agent on behalf of Turkey for hundreds of thousands of dollars of consulting work,
5. On Election Day in 2016, Flynn wrote an op-ed in The Hill criticizing cleric Fethullah Gulen, an enemy of Turkey's president living in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania, as a "radical Islamist" and "shady Islamic mullah." The Wall Street Journal later reported that Flynn and his son twice met with Turkish representatives to discuss kidnapping Gulen and forcibly extraditing him to Turkey.
6. Michael Flynn Pleaded Guilty. Twice.--Even Trump has said his former national security adviser lied to the F.B.I. Opinion | Don’t Forget, Michael Flynn Pleaded Guilty. Twice.
7. Flynn admitted that he had lied to the FBI about his conversations with Kislyak, and that he also had lied to agents about his efforts to influence foreign diplomats regarding a December 2016 UN resolution condemning Israeli settlement construction. He also admitted that he had lied to the Justice Department in a Foreign Agents Registration Act filing by claiming he was not aware he was lobbying for Turkey.
8. Congressional Republican report says Flynn went to infamous Russian spymaster’s house for ‘very productive’ 2015 meeting Flynn 'lied to investigators' about Russia trip, says top House Dem
9. Back in 2017, Pence insisted that Flynn had lied to him too Pence weighs in on Flynn firing, says White House is "fully cooperating" with special counsel

There was no reason to have Flynn's name masked to begin with, Because he was no longer part of the U.S Government, Being on the transition team certainly doesn't qualify, Obama also warned Trump that it would be a bad idea to hire Flynn--Flynn had been fired for erratic behavior and misconduct 2014. Flynn’s current release by Barr does not prove that Flynn was innocent of wrongdoing. Being released by Barr does not convert Flynn’s lies into truth, Flynn’s lies mattered because they may have concealed a deal between Trump and Russia over sanctions.--On the day that the Flynn case was dropped, Trump spoke by telephone to Putin

Irrelevant

Flynn was not charged with logan act violations.

Stay on topic, commie.

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Is there any reason the Logan Act can’t be used as justification for an investigation?

Not at all, if you don't mind being considered a dumbass.

It’s still the law, is it not?

No one cares who you consider a dumbass.

Is that the rule you clowns want to follow now? ALL laws need to be followed? How about we start with deporting every illegal in this country.

You’re not very good at this.

It’s the law of the land. Can it be used to legally justify an investigation?

The answer is yes. You know it and you just don’t want to admit it.

Until John Kerry is prosecuted under that act, keep your idiotic mouth shut. You lose again.

John Kerry, Obama, probably both Bushes, and definitely the Clinton’s. The Logan act is a ridiculous claim.

 

[lantern2814]

Sullivan may vacate the 18 USC 1001 charge, and then charge Flynn with perjury.

You can't lie under oath to a federal judge.

1. A Federal Judge can NOT 'charge' anyone with a crime.

According to legal precedence Sullivan has no option but to dropt the case; however, he is bringing in his Trump-hating pal to discuss the ability to 'find' Flynn in COMTEMP of court.


2. Democrats lie under oath all the time. If all of their Democrats who lied under oath were in jail today, Gitmo would be full.

The last President to lie under oath and be found in Contempt was Slick Willy. He was given no jail time, but he did his license to practice law temporarily stripped.

"A Federal Judge can NOT 'charge' anyone with a crime"

Are you ever not a retard?

CLINTON IS FOUND TO BE IN CONTEMPT ON JONES LAWSUIT (Published 1999)

Federal Judge Susan Webber Wright cites Pres Clinton for contempt, ruling he willfully provided false testimony under oath about his relationship with Monica S Lewinsky in January 1998 deposition in sexual misconduct lawsuit filed by Paula Corbin Jones; scathing 32-page decision says Clinton's...

www.nytimes.com

Apparently some people don’t know their constitution very well. The courts have inherent power. They may exercise it with people who are playing games.

Yep.....the Obama DOJ withheld exculpatory evidence (were playing games) and framed Michael Flynn. The Judge took a bribe from somebody in Obama's criminal organization (playing games) to string out the case till Trump is forced to pardon him. If Trump Wins reelection the Democrats (playing games) will try to impeach him for the pardon.

what does it say about Flynn's attorneys if they had him plead guilty, and affirm that guilty plea, when according to Barr there was never anything to go on? the firm representing Flynn wasn't a bottom of the barrel kind of operation.

From what I've read.....Flynn's original attorneys were corrupt and worked with prosecutors from the corrupt DOJ.
He fired them and his new attorney found that the DOJ set him up.

His new attorney is a hack who pleases the right wing rabble. She wasn’t interested in defending him legally (her motions were legally dubious and smacked down repeatedly by the judge, even calling them unprofessional). She was putting on a public show to gin up right wing outrage and pressure.

Flynn wasn’t set up no matter what way you look at it. No one made him lie.

Flynn’s new attorney actually worked for him instead of against him. Finding the withholding of evidence and now all the other garbage that has come out. Flynn WAS set up. He did not lie. Since you can not produce the ORiGINAL 302, neither you nor the liars in the FBI can say Flynn lied.

The original 302 has been presented and shows he lied. So do the notes from the interview. He lied. Get over it.

Flynn’s lawyer didn’t uncover anything. Her repeated motions for material were a joke and the judge dismissed all of her claims because she’s a shitty lawyer.

Do you ever not lie? The original 302 was never presented because it "went missing". If she's a shitty lawyer, then these prosecutors must be totally inept because she has won. The judge is a biased hack who just got slapped by his superiors. Case closed. Flynn wins and a lot of people are going to be paying him a lot of money.

Where is the evidence of this missing original 302?
or is it some fantasy conspiracy theory.


Flynn is attempting to undo his guilty plea, which makes his guilty plea perjury, a new crime.

Flynn set up his own perjury trap and dove right in.

You stupid fuck, the agents involved have claimed the original is “missing”. Try to keep up. Coerced pleas are invalid, thus perjury is not applicable. Any more bullshit you want debunked?

What do you mean by “original”? The 302 the agents signed has been out for ages.

I’ll type slowly so an idiot like you may be able to understand. When agents say the original has “gone missing”, that’s means IT ISN’T THERE! A proven falsified document means you have ZERO case. You’ve been been getting your ass kicked on this for awhile now.