Judge in Floyd case opens door for an acquital.

[Ray From Cleveland]

Stop him from hurting himself by using deadly force. That's brilliant. Also, Floyd was essentially motionless at that point.

That technique has to be used only when cops lives are in danger, otherwise, no matter how you try to justify it, that is against policy, and if the person dies, that alone means guilty of homicide.

Sorry, but cops are responsible for a suspect in custody. When they have somebody obviously as high as Floyd was, they need to restrain him so he doesn't hurt himself. Look at the Baltimore riots. What happened there? The police did not secure the suspect. He started walking around the van while it was in motion banging his head into the support posts in the van and he died.

You need to watch the classic TV series COPS. You'll see police officers from all across the country doing exactly what Chauvin did.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Sorry, but cops are responsible for a suspect in custody. When they have somebody obviously as high as Floyd was, they need to restrain him so he doesn't hurt himself.

Even if you look at the struggle in the back of the squad car, just how exactly is Floyd going to seriously hurt himself with handcuffs on and police holding him?

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

What you do is not resist arrest. When you do there are consequences.

You have to take Floyd's words at face value that he was having a panic attack which is not resisting.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Even if you look at the struggle in the back of the squad car, just how exactly is Floyd going to seriously hurt himself with handcuffs on and police holding him?

He was not being cooperative. He wouldn't sit in the back of the car and was stopping the officers from closing the door. He repeatedly said he couldn't breathe while crying for his mother. His autopsy revealed he had several times the lethal dose of fentanyl, and that was mixed with meth. Yes, a person like this could hurt himself.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

He was not being cooperative. He wouldn't sit in the back of the car and was stopping the officers from closing the door. He repeatedly said he couldn't breathe while crying for his mother. His autopsy revealed he had several times the lethal dose of fentanyl, and that was mixed with meth. Yes, a person like this could hurt himself.

You didn't answer HOW he could seriously hurt himself, because you don't have the slightest idea of how that is possible when he is in handcuffs. The chances have to be close to zero.

I believe Floyd was a regular user. Someone that has a high tolerance to fentanyl is unlikely to die from a 3 times the lethal dose. They might but probably not IMO. That's 3 times the lethal dose for a normal person.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Even if you look at the struggle in the back of the squad car, just how exactly is Floyd going to seriously hurt himself with handcuffs on and police holding him?

He was not being cooperative. He wouldn't sit in the back of the car and was stopping the officers from closing the door. He repeatedly said he couldn't breathe while crying for his mother. His autopsy revealed he had several times the lethal dose of fentanyl, and that was mixed with meth. Yes, a person like this could hurt himself.

It's what just killed DMX. Drug induced heart attack.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

He began having medical, physical difficulty
- If the kid filming the whole thing could see Floyd's breathing getting more and more shallow, fewer and fewer breaths the officer with the knee on his neck should definitely have noticed.

And with Floyd saying that he can't breathe, Chauvin has got to be acutely aware and cognizant of the possibility that Floyd would become unconscious. In that situation, it would be near impossible to miss.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You didn't answer HOW he could seriously hurt himself, because you don't have the slightest idea of how that is possible when he is in handcuffs. The chances have to be close to zero.

I believe Floyd was a regular user. Someone that has a high tolerance to fentanyl is unlikely to die from a 3 times the lethal dose. They might but probably not IMO. That's 3 times the lethal dose for a normal person.

There is only so much tolerance your body can build. That's why we have 100,000 Americans die from OD every single year. You take the drug and get high. After a few times of that, you can no longer get high on the same amount so you take more, then more, then more until your body finally shuts down.

The mentally retarded and people tanked up on dope have super human strength. They don't feel pain. That's why when police taser some people, they just rip the barbs out of their body and continue to attack the police or run away from them. Anybody who experienced being tasered tells you it's the most painful thing you could ever feel in your life.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

There is only so much tolerance your body can build. That's why we have 100,000 Americans die from OD every single year. You take the drug and get high. After a few times of that, you can no longer get high on the same amount so you take more, then more, then more until your body finally shuts down.

But how great could that tolerance be? My point is to now everybody is just GUESSING that three times the lethal dose is deadly to someone with a high tolerance. Three times could easily not be lethal for a high tolerance also. We need research and links on this subject.

 

[Polishprince]

Was it smuggled Chinese communist fentanyl? Who was Floyd’s supplier?

Actually, they know who sold Floyd his dope. But the pusher is pleading the 5th, even though its certainly exculpatory evidence in favor of Officer Chauvin.

If the pusher gave Floyd a "hot (lethal) dose", he should be (at the very least) in the dock as well.

 

[asaratis]

And with Floyd saying that he can't breathe, Chauvin has got to be acutely aware and cognizant of the possibility that Floyd would become unconscious. In that situation, it would be near impossible to miss.

Floyd was saying "I can't breathe"

• before he was forced into the police car
• while he was temporarily in the police car
• after he was removed from the police car but before he was placed on the pavement
• after he was placed on the pavement

He said it more than 20 times. (almost 30 by one account)

 

[lennypartiv]

You didn't answer HOW he could seriously hurt himself, because you don't have the slightest idea of how that is possible when he is in handcuffs. The chances have to be close to zero.

the cops got rid of another dangerous thug. We should be grateful.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Actually, they know who sold Floyd his dope. But the pusher is pleading the 5th, even though its certainly exculpatory evidence in favor of Officer Chauvin.

If the pusher gave Floyd a "hot (lethal) dose", he should be (at the very least) in the dock as well.

Yes but they would have to give the pusher immunity by testifying that he sold Floyd bad dope. Given the environment, that's not likely to happen.

 

[JoeB131]

He was never fired. He quit.

He quit while they were in the process of firing him... that's what he lied about on his application and why Cleveland fired him because it was easier than firing him for shooting an unarmed kid.

Again, you are really invested in the murder of this child... I'm curious to know why.

He was facing the lot and seen the cop car coming at him. Surprised by what? He was pointing a realistic gun at people and was surprised that somebody called the cops? That's what he wanted and was expecting.

He was playing with a toy in the park. Most kids expect to be able to play in parks without the police shooting them.

WTF difference does it make where the police car stopped? The officer expected him to run so he positioned the car so he didn't run to the rec center where the children were at. A cop would never shoot an unarmed person. That would be a murder one charge. Of course he seen the gun. That's why he shot in the first place.

Where's a picture of Rice pointing the gun at Loehmann?

His hands are in his coat pockets, like he's trying to keep them warm.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

He quit while they were in the process of firing him... that's what he lied about on his application and why Cleveland fired him because it was easier than firing him for shooting an unarmed kid.

Again, you are really invested in the murder of this child... I'm curious to know why.

You can't quit while somebody is firing you. You either quit or get fired, and Loehmann quit. He was talking about it for some time before he actually did it.

The only thing I'm invested in is law and order. A person is pulling a gun on a police officer or armed citizen gives them the right to use deadly force to protect themselves. That's our law.

He was playing with a toy in the park. Most kids expect to be able to play in parks without the police shooting them.

Trying to win an argument with lies again Joe. What did I tell you about that? He wasn't pulling a little red wagon, throwing a football or Frisbee, playing with a yo-yo or video games on his smart phone. Nobody calls the cops for a kid "playing with a toy." He had an exact replica of a gun, removed the florescent tip so the gun could not be easily identified as a toy gun, and was frightening people by pointing it at them.

Where's a picture of Rice pointing the gun at Loehmann?

His hands are in his coat pockets, like he's trying to keep them warm.

Moving the goal posts again? Show me one post of mine that I claimed he was pointing it at officers. I said the officer seen him pulling the gun out of his pants and shot in self-defense. An officer doesn't need to have a gun pointed at him before taking action. Again, it's our law: A licensed person is allowed to use deadly force if they believe they (or others) are in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death. If somebody is pulling a gun on a police officer as soon as they get out of their car, an officer has every right to believe he is in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death.

 

[JoeB131]

You can't quit while somebody is firing you. You either quit or get fired, and Loehmann quit. He was talking about it for some time before he actually did it.

He probably should have worked on being a good Squirrel Cop before he applied to be a city cop.

Again, it's our law: A licensed person is allowed to use deadly force if they believe they (or others) are in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death. If somebody is pulling a gun on a police officer as soon as they get out of their car, an officer has every right to believe he is in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death.

It's a goofy law.

He shot a child with a toy. That's crazy.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

He probably should have worked on being a good Squirrel Cop before he applied to be a city cop.

It was a gravy job but not for him. Independence is ten minutes from my home so I drove through there many times in my life. It's upper-middle-class and a lot of small business owners live there. Unless they try to stop a car on the freeway and it takes off on them, it's otherwise a pretty dull job. A lot of cops would love a job like that, but some were looking for something more.

It's a goofy law.

He shot a child with a toy. That's crazy.

There is nothing goofy about it. It's a great law, and with the addition of our new Stand Your Ground law that went into effect last Tuesday, it's even better.

Bottom line is if you don't want to get shot or killed, don't make a threat to anybody. I lived my entire life without threatening people. It's not that hard. Having the law on our side to use deadly force is what prevents us from having events like that 65 year old Asian woman who was brutally beaten for no reason at all in NYC, and onlookers closed the door and didn't try to even stop him. Do that in my state, you're liable to leave that scene in a gurney with a sheet over your head and the criminals know it.

See, if that happened here and I shot the lowlife as he was attacking her, I would be within my rights to use deadly force. That's why we have this law like so many states in our country. In most instances, police are only good after a crime is committed. Until that point, we need to protect ourselves and our fellow citizens.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Furthermore if a person cannot breathe, they cannot speak either. Try it yourself. Hold your breath and try to pronounce words. It's impossible.

That is a total myth that being able to talk means you can breathe.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-07-09/medical-experts-floyds-speech-didnt-mean-he-could-breathe

That reaction -- seen in police restraint deaths around the country -- is dangerously wrong, medical experts say. While it would be right to believe a person who can’t talk also cannot breathe, the reverse is not true – speaking does not imply that someone is getting enough air to survive.

“The ability to speak does not mean the patient is without danger,” said Dr. Mariell Jessup, chief science and medical officer of the American Heart Association.

“To speak, you only have to move air through the upper airways and the vocal cords, a very small amount,” and that does not mean that enough air is getting down into the lungs where it can supply the rest of the body with oxygen, said Dr. Gary Weissman, a lung specialist at the University of Pennsylvania.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Furthermore if a person cannot breathe, they cannot speak either. Try it yourself. Hold your breath and try to pronounce words. It's impossible.

That is a total myth that being able to talk means you can breathe.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-07-09/medical-experts-floyds-speech-didnt-mean-he-could-breathe

That reaction -- seen in police restraint deaths around the country -- is dangerously wrong, medical experts say. While it would be right to believe a person who can’t talk also cannot breathe, the reverse is not true – speaking does not imply that someone is getting enough air to survive.

“The ability to speak does not mean the patient is without danger,” said Dr. Mariell Jessup, chief science and medical officer of the American Heart Association.

“To speak, you only have to move air through the upper airways and the vocal cords, a very small amount,” and that does not mean that enough air is getting down into the lungs where it can supply the rest of the body with oxygen, said Dr. Gary Weissman, a lung specialist at the University of Pennsylvania.

There is a difference between not being able to breathe and not getting enough oxygen into your system. Drugs (especially a high volume) can slow down oxygen getting into your system. If a person is panting like Floyd was stating he couldn't breathe, it's not due to insufficient air getting into the lungs. He was yelling for his mother, an indication he was getting enough air.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

There is a difference between not being able to breathe and not getting enough oxygen into your system. Drugs (especially a high volume) can slow down oxygen getting into your system. If a person is panting like Floyd was stating he couldn't breathe, it's not due to insufficient air getting into the lungs. He was yelling for his mother, an indication he was getting enough air.

Now you are talking about something different.