Jimmy Carter Cures ObamaCare

[BlueGin]

The hospitals wrote it off to " indigent care"

Exactly. Which meant it was passed along to other patients either directly or by padding the costs of medicines and devices and procedures or, if the expenses were too high, the hospital went bankrupt.

These are the things the mob either doesn't know or chooses not to remember.

All hospitals have had an indigent care fund. Still do.

Evidence?

What happens when the money runs out?

Also, how does it help people with chronic conditions?

How many homeless people apply for Obamacare do you think?

If you have the data, don't be coy - present it.

Well since they need proof of residency... You do the math.

 

[Arianrhod]

Exactly. Which meant it was passed along to other patients either directly or by padding the costs of medicines and devices and procedures or, if the expenses were too high, the hospital went bankrupt.

These are the things the mob either doesn't know or chooses not to remember.

All hospitals have had an indigent care fund. Still do.

Evidence?

What happens when the money runs out?

Also, how does it help people with chronic conditions?

How many homeless people apply for Obamacare do you think?

If you have the data, don't be coy - present it.

Well since they need proof of residency... You do the math.

Do they? A SS card, an old driver's license, or a military ID would not be sufficient? Are you sure?

 

[BlueGin]

All hospitals have had an indigent care fund. Still do.

Evidence?

What happens when the money runs out?

Also, how does it help people with chronic conditions?

How many homeless people apply for Obamacare do you think?

If you have the data, don't be coy - present it.

Well since they need proof of residency... You do the math.

Do they? A SS card, an old driver's license, or a military ID would not be sufficient? Are you sure?

Homeless women face coverage obstacles

Even with expanded access to healthcare insurance under the Affordable Care Act, homeless women in California struggle to obtain coverage, HealthyCal reported. For example, the state expanded Medi-Cal to 1.4 million newly eligible residents, including up to 55,000 chronically homeless people, but beneficiaries must still provide proof of residency to enroll in 2015.

 

[Arianrhod]

Evidence?

What happens when the money runs out?

Also, how does it help people with chronic conditions?

How many homeless people apply for Obamacare do you think?

If you have the data, don't be coy - present it.

Well since they need proof of residency... You do the math.

Do they? A SS card, an old driver's license, or a military ID would not be sufficient? Are you sure?

Homeless women face coverage obstacles

Even with expanded access to healthcare insurance under the Affordable Care Act, homeless women in California struggle to obtain coverage, HealthyCal reported. For example, the state expanded Medi-Cal to 1.4 million newly eligible residents, including up to 55,000 chronically homeless people, but beneficiaries must still provide proof of residency to enroll in 2015.

Seems as if all they have to do is name the shelter they frequent, and many of those shelters provide health care.

Shelters in Stockton and San Jose, for example, have hired homeless people to pick up trash in their neighborhoods. They're paid $8 an hour, and are guaranteed a bed at a shelter that night, along with a medical checkup.

What's Texas doing about its homeless populations?

 

[BlueGin]

How many homeless people apply for Obamacare do you think?

If you have the data, don't be coy - present it.

Well since they need proof of residency... You do the math.

Do they? A SS card, an old driver's license, or a military ID would not be sufficient? Are you sure?

Homeless women face coverage obstacles

Even with expanded access to healthcare insurance under the Affordable Care Act, homeless women in California struggle to obtain coverage, HealthyCal reported. For example, the state expanded Medi-Cal to 1.4 million newly eligible residents, including up to 55,000 chronically homeless people, but beneficiaries must still provide proof of residency to enroll in 2015.

Seems as if all they have to do is name the shelter they frequent, and many of those shelters provide health care.

Shelters in Stockton and San Jose, for example, have hired homeless people to pick up trash in their neighborhoods. They're paid $8 an hour, and are guaranteed a bed at a shelter that night, along with a medical checkup.

What's Texas doing about its homeless populations?

NM pays them 10.00 an hour. They still can't apply for coverage without proof of residency.

Which is why the hospitals still have an indigent care fund for their hospital and clinic visits.

 

[Arianrhod]

If you have the data, don't be coy - present it.

Well since they need proof of residency... You do the math.

Do they? A SS card, an old driver's license, or a military ID would not be sufficient? Are you sure?

Homeless women face coverage obstacles

Even with expanded access to healthcare insurance under the Affordable Care Act, homeless women in California struggle to obtain coverage, HealthyCal reported. For example, the state expanded Medi-Cal to 1.4 million newly eligible residents, including up to 55,000 chronically homeless people, but beneficiaries must still provide proof of residency to enroll in 2015.

Seems as if all they have to do is name the shelter they frequent, and many of those shelters provide health care.

Shelters in Stockton and San Jose, for example, have hired homeless people to pick up trash in their neighborhoods. They're paid $8 an hour, and are guaranteed a bed at a shelter that night, along with a medical checkup.

What's Texas doing about its homeless populations?

NM pays them 10.00 an hour. They still can't apply for coverage without proof of residency.

Which is why the hospitals still have an indigent care fund for their hospital and clinic visits.

And the shelter where they spend the night and which provides treatment is not considered "residency"? It is in California. Seems as if New Mexico has a problem with linguistics.

 

[emilynghiem]

ObamaCare is not an insurance company. Who's the patient's insurer? Ask them.

As I never posted against folks having health insurance, and President Ronald Reagan made certain that every person in the nation...citizen or not....had health care....perhaps you'd care to answer:

Is that drug that saved Carter available to those covered under ObamaCare?

Dear PoliticalChic and Arianrhod
OK let's quit using "ObamaCare" if that is causing confusion for literalists.

Can we ask if FREE MARKET beliefs in health care are
protected equally under the ACA mandates written, imposed and enforced by people with biased beliefs in the right to health care,
while EXCLUDING and PENALIZING citizens who don't.

This is like asking is the belief in RIGHT TO CHOOSE protected
equally under "right to life legislation" .

No, Free Market choices are now penalized under the ACA.

Opponents would be attacked if they passed tax laws penalizing free choice by pushing Right to Life through federal govt 'as the law of the land' the way liberals are pushing Right to Health Care as a nationalized belief. Can we please have a President, a Supreme Court, and a leader in Congress who understands POLITICAL BELIEFS, so these can all be treated equally, even if that means keeping them out of govt.

 

[jillian]

Amazing what they're doing these days when you have unlimited resources and money to obtain it.

insurance companies always do that.

maybe you should tell the wingers in congress to spend more money on health care.

but nice lie of a thread title.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Good news and good news!

1. Good news!: "Carter: Cancer is gone
Former President Jimmy Carter said Sunday his cancer is gone.

Carter said in a statement that his most recent MRI brain scan did not reveal any signs of the original cancer spots or any new ones and that he’ll continue his treatment.

Carter, 91, initially made the announcement...." near the beginning of the Sunday School class he was teaching..." Jimmy Carter: Cancer is gone, former president announces


2. From August:
"Former president Jimmy Carter on Thursday detailed an array of treatments, including radiation, that he will undergo for the melanoma doctors discovered in his liver and brain.

But he also mentioned that he had received an infusion of pembrolizumab, better known as Keytruda, which is among the first in a promising new class of drugs aimed at unleashing the human immune system to fight cancer cells. The Food and Drug Administration rapidly approved the "breakthrough" drug last year for patients with advanced melanoma who have exhausted other therapies, saying it represented a substantial improvement over existing treatments."
The ‘breakthrough’ drug Jimmy Carter is taking to treat his cancer


a. The cost of Keytruda:

1. 
   
   
   • 
     Some further research showed that a year of Keytruda will cost about $150,000, or $12,500 a month, according to The Wall Street Journal. To use a baseline, Bristol Myers' PD-1 drug Opdivo, which received Japanese regulatory approval in July, is going to cost the equivalent of $143,000 for a full year of treatment.Sep 9, 2014
     FDA approves Keytruda for treatment of metastatic melanoma
     www.philly.com/.../FDA-approves-Keytruda-f...

3. A key administration figure committed to cost cutting is Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a health policy advisor in the Office of Management and Budget and brother of Rahm Emanuel, the president's chief of staff wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their own patient and consider social justice. They should think about whether the money being spent on their patient could be better spent elsewhere.
Defend Your Health - For a Fit Body and Mind
Downgrading American Medical Care


4.Dr. David Blumenthal, a Harvard professor and key health advisor to President Obama, conceded that "government controls on health care spending are associated with longer waits for elective procedures and reduced availability of new and expensive treatments and devices." Could this mean angioplasty, bypass surgery, hip replacement, and knee replacement? Who could this be aimed at? How about ‘longer waits’ for cancer patients? Mammograms and MRI’s? Defend Your Health - For a Fit Body and Mind



Did somebody say "Death Panels"?

Number 3.....

Simply....wow.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Amazing what they're doing these days when you have unlimited resources and money to obtain it.

insurance companies always do that.

maybe you should tell the wingers in congress to spend more money on health care.

but nice lie of a thread title.

Hi!

Remember yesterday, when you tried to pretend you knew anything about Judge Bork....and I destroyed any such pretense, listing books I've read and you hadn't?

That was so much fun- how about I do it again?



I studied this one:

"Why ObamaCare is Wrong for America: How the New Health Care Law Drives Up Costs, Puts Government in Charge of Your Decisions, and Threatens Your Constitutional Rights,"
by Turner, Capretta, Miller and Moffit.


See....I'm not a Liberal....I actually know what I'm talking about.

Let me know if you ever read anything but the DNC talking points.
Now....write soon, y'hear.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Good news and good news!

1. Good news!: "Carter: Cancer is gone
Former President Jimmy Carter said Sunday his cancer is gone.

Carter said in a statement that his most recent MRI brain scan did not reveal any signs of the original cancer spots or any new ones and that he’ll continue his treatment.

Carter, 91, initially made the announcement...." near the beginning of the Sunday School class he was teaching..." Jimmy Carter: Cancer is gone, former president announces


2. From August:
"Former president Jimmy Carter on Thursday detailed an array of treatments, including radiation, that he will undergo for the melanoma doctors discovered in his liver and brain.

But he also mentioned that he had received an infusion of pembrolizumab, better known as Keytruda, which is among the first in a promising new class of drugs aimed at unleashing the human immune system to fight cancer cells. The Food and Drug Administration rapidly approved the "breakthrough" drug last year for patients with advanced melanoma who have exhausted other therapies, saying it represented a substantial improvement over existing treatments."
The ‘breakthrough’ drug Jimmy Carter is taking to treat his cancer


a. The cost of Keytruda:

1. 
   
   
   • 
     Some further research showed that a year of Keytruda will cost about $150,000, or $12,500 a month, according to The Wall Street Journal. To use a baseline, Bristol Myers' PD-1 drug Opdivo, which received Japanese regulatory approval in July, is going to cost the equivalent of $143,000 for a full year of treatment.Sep 9, 2014
     FDA approves Keytruda for treatment of metastatic melanoma
     www.philly.com/.../FDA-approves-Keytruda-f...

3. A key administration figure committed to cost cutting is Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a health policy advisor in the Office of Management and Budget and brother of Rahm Emanuel, the president's chief of staff wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their own patient and consider social justice. They should think about whether the money being spent on their patient could be better spent elsewhere.
Defend Your Health - For a Fit Body and Mind
Downgrading American Medical Care


4.Dr. David Blumenthal, a Harvard professor and key health advisor to President Obama, conceded that "government controls on health care spending are associated with longer waits for elective procedures and reduced availability of new and expensive treatments and devices." Could this mean angioplasty, bypass surgery, hip replacement, and knee replacement? Who could this be aimed at? How about ‘longer waits’ for cancer patients? Mammograms and MRI’s? Defend Your Health - For a Fit Body and Mind



Did somebody say "Death Panels"?

Number 3.....

Simply....wow.

Disregard for human lives is the bedrock of every one of these religions:
Communism, socialism, Liberalism, fascism, Progressivism, and Nazism.
They all function based on 'one must bread a few eggs to make an omelette.'



"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."
Leon Trotsky

 

[Arianrhod]

ObamaCare is not an insurance company. Who's the patient's insurer? Ask them.

As I never posted against folks having health insurance, and President Ronald Reagan made certain that every person in the nation...citizen or not....had health care....perhaps you'd care to answer:

Is that drug that saved Carter available to those covered under ObamaCare?

Dear PoliticalChic and Arianrhod
OK let's quit using "ObamaCare" if that is causing confusion for literalists.

Can we ask if FREE MARKET beliefs in health care are
protected equally under the ACA mandates written, imposed and enforced by people with biased beliefs in the right to health care,
while EXCLUDING and PENALIZING citizens who don't.

This is like asking is the belief in RIGHT TO CHOOSE protected
equally under "right to life legislation" .

No, Free Market choices are now penalized under the ACA.

Opponents would be attacked if they passed tax laws penalizing free choice by pushing Right to Life through federal govt 'as the law of the land' the way liberals are pushing Right to Health Care as a nationalized belief. Can we please have a President, a Supreme Court, and a leader in Congress who understands POLITICAL BELIEFS, so these can all be treated equally, even if that means keeping them out of govt.

You'll need to start another thread about this. PoliticalChic has now done what they always do...turn every thread into a rant about communism. Watch and see.

 

[emilynghiem]

ObamaCare is not an insurance company. Who's the patient's insurer? Ask them.

As I never posted against folks having health insurance, and President Ronald Reagan made certain that every person in the nation...citizen or not....had health care....perhaps you'd care to answer:

Is that drug that saved Carter available to those covered under ObamaCare?

Dear PoliticalChic and Arianrhod
OK let's quit using "ObamaCare" if that is causing confusion for literalists.

Can we ask if FREE MARKET beliefs in health care are
protected equally under the ACA mandates written, imposed and enforced by people with biased beliefs in the right to health care,
while EXCLUDING and PENALIZING citizens who don't.

This is like asking is the belief in RIGHT TO CHOOSE protected
equally under "right to life legislation" .

No, Free Market choices are now penalized under the ACA.

Opponents would be attacked if they passed tax laws penalizing free choice by pushing Right to Life through federal govt 'as the law of the land' the way liberals are pushing Right to Health Care as a nationalized belief. Can we please have a President, a Supreme Court, and a leader in Congress who understands POLITICAL BELIEFS, so these can all be treated equally, even if that means keeping them out of govt.

You'll need to start another thread about this. PoliticalChic has now done what they always do...turn every thread into a rant about communism. Watch and see.

Dear Arianrhod Everywhere it's the same.
Might as well further the conversation here as anywhere else.

You seem to be a reasonable person, able to focus on points and principles
and not get sidetracked with too much personal emotional stuff that comes out as part of the process.

Why not just discuss it here?

Once people get used to actually being heard and taken seriously,
of course that opens the door to deeper discussion.

Just keep on keeping on. Talk with people respectfully as you always do with me.
The other barriers will go away, as long as we keep voting on the side of on point discussion.

You can have the conversation anywhere,
just address the person with respect and ask open ended questions
that encourage dialogue.

Thanks I think you are better at this than even I am,
so please don't get discouraged by some of the nonsense that comes with the territory.

We are talking about politics, about deep rooted political and religious beliefs embedded
in people's perception and language, so of course it is going to be challenging.

People are going to get personal, and respond on the defensive, until we gain a better
sense of accepting each other as we are and working with what we have and what we believe.
Let's just deal with that, as naturally what goes on, and not discount it as negative
when that's just how we as committed individuals
are going to process very high pressured conflicting issues.

You do really well in responding consistently level headed;
keep up the excellent posts and responses,
and you'll see it will get better as we go. Thanks for adding
your contributions to these discussions and to the forum in general.
Every little bit helps!

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Good news and good news!

1. Good news!: "Carter: Cancer is gone
Former President Jimmy Carter said Sunday his cancer is gone.

Carter said in a statement that his most recent MRI brain scan did not reveal any signs of the original cancer spots or any new ones and that he’ll continue his treatment.

Carter, 91, initially made the announcement...." near the beginning of the Sunday School class he was teaching..." Jimmy Carter: Cancer is gone, former president announces


2. From August:
"Former president Jimmy Carter on Thursday detailed an array of treatments, including radiation, that he will undergo for the melanoma doctors discovered in his liver and brain.

But he also mentioned that he had received an infusion of pembrolizumab, better known as Keytruda, which is among the first in a promising new class of drugs aimed at unleashing the human immune system to fight cancer cells. The Food and Drug Administration rapidly approved the "breakthrough" drug last year for patients with advanced melanoma who have exhausted other therapies, saying it represented a substantial improvement over existing treatments."
The ‘breakthrough’ drug Jimmy Carter is taking to treat his cancer


a. The cost of Keytruda:

1. 
   
   
   • 
     Some further research showed that a year of Keytruda will cost about $150,000, or $12,500 a month, according to The Wall Street Journal. To use a baseline, Bristol Myers' PD-1 drug Opdivo, which received Japanese regulatory approval in July, is going to cost the equivalent of $143,000 for a full year of treatment.Sep 9, 2014
     FDA approves Keytruda for treatment of metastatic melanoma
     www.philly.com/.../FDA-approves-Keytruda-f...

3. A key administration figure committed to cost cutting is Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a health policy advisor in the Office of Management and Budget and brother of Rahm Emanuel, the president's chief of staff wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their own patient and consider social justice. They should think about whether the money being spent on their patient could be better spent elsewhere.
Defend Your Health - For a Fit Body and Mind
Downgrading American Medical Care


4.Dr. David Blumenthal, a Harvard professor and key health advisor to President Obama, conceded that "government controls on health care spending are associated with longer waits for elective procedures and reduced availability of new and expensive treatments and devices." Could this mean angioplasty, bypass surgery, hip replacement, and knee replacement? Who could this be aimed at? How about ‘longer waits’ for cancer patients? Mammograms and MRI’s? Defend Your Health - For a Fit Body and Mind



Did somebody say "Death Panels"?

Number 3.....

Simply....wow.

Disregard for human lives is the bedrock of every one of these religions:
Communism, socialism, Liberalism, fascism, Progressivism, and Nazism.
They all function based on 'one must bread a few eggs to make an omelette.'



"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."
Leon Trotsky

Jimmy Carter is a cancer.

 

[Arianrhod]

Meanwhile, in the Real World:

President Carter inspires GA House bill that will allow more patients access to new cancer drug

 

[Sun Devil 92]

RR only dealt with emergencies. He put a band-aid on a large wound. Obamacare healed it.

Really?

"A new report by Avalere Health points out what an “improvement” ObamaCare has been:

[E]nrollees in ObamaCare plans have access to 34% fewer providers than those who buy a commercial plan outside the exchange. On average, it found, ObamaCare enrollees had 32% fewer primary care doctors and 24% fewer hospitals from which to choose.

Worse, ObamaCare plans covered 42% fewer oncologists and cardiologists than non-ObamaCare plans.

Yes indeed, what a deal. Couple that with sky-high deductibles (according to Health Pocket, average deductibles for the lowest cost Bronze Plan in ObamaCare are 42% higher than before the law was passed) and you’ve got a real winner on your hands. By the way, the average Bronze Plan costs around $3,500 a year and has a whopping $5,181 deductible to be paid."
ObamaCare: Fewer doctors but higher premiums and deductibles

Just to keep this in the context of Jimmy Carter...I wonder how James feels about Obamacare ?

I heard that he is lobbying the state of Georgia on certain aspects of health care.

I am good with a state making decisions....

Not Harry Reid and our failure of a POTUS.

 

[Arianrhod]

RR only dealt with emergencies. He put a band-aid on a large wound. Obamacare healed it.

Really?

"A new report by Avalere Health points out what an “improvement” ObamaCare has been:

[E]nrollees in ObamaCare plans have access to 34% fewer providers than those who buy a commercial plan outside the exchange. On average, it found, ObamaCare enrollees had 32% fewer primary care doctors and 24% fewer hospitals from which to choose.

Worse, ObamaCare plans covered 42% fewer oncologists and cardiologists than non-ObamaCare plans.

Yes indeed, what a deal. Couple that with sky-high deductibles (according to Health Pocket, average deductibles for the lowest cost Bronze Plan in ObamaCare are 42% higher than before the law was passed) and you’ve got a real winner on your hands. By the way, the average Bronze Plan costs around $3,500 a year and has a whopping $5,181 deductible to be paid."
ObamaCare: Fewer doctors but higher premiums and deductibles

Just to keep this in the context of Jimmy Carter...I wonder how James feels about Obamacare ?

I heard that he is lobbying the state of Georgia on certain aspects of health care.

I am good with a state making decisions....

Not Harry Reid and our failure of a POTUS.

Your link leads to PriceGrabber. The one you want is in Post #155.

Too bad everyone can see that but you.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Amazing what they're doing these days when you have unlimited resources and money to obtain it.

insurance companies always do that.

maybe you should tell the wingers in congress to spend more money on health care.

but nice lie of a thread title.

Hi!

Remember yesterday, when you tried to pretend you knew anything about Judge Bork....and I destroyed any such pretense, listing books I've read and you hadn't?

That was so much fun- how about I do it again?



I studied this one:

"Why ObamaCare is Wrong for America: How the New Health Care Law Drives Up Costs, Puts Government in Charge of Your Decisions, and Threatens Your Constitutional Rights,"
by Turner, Capretta, Miller and Moffit.


See....I'm not a Liberal....I actually know what I'm talking about.

Let me know if you ever read anything but the DNC talking points.
Now....write soon, y'hear.

All of which are true.

However, in the world of give and take...some of this has been sacrificed for the sake of something.......that makes no sense.

It's the morons in government who are making those decisions.....scary stuff.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

ObamaCare is not an insurance company. Who's the patient's insurer? Ask them.

As I never posted against folks having health insurance, and President Ronald Reagan made certain that every person in the nation...citizen or not....had health care....perhaps you'd care to answer:

Is that drug that saved Carter available to those covered under ObamaCare?

Dear PoliticalChic and Arianrhod
OK let's quit using "ObamaCare" if that is causing confusion for literalists.

Can we ask if FREE MARKET beliefs in health care are
protected equally under the ACA mandates written, imposed and enforced by people with biased beliefs in the right to health care,
while EXCLUDING and PENALIZING citizens who don't.

This is like asking is the belief in RIGHT TO CHOOSE protected
equally under "right to life legislation" .

No, Free Market choices are now penalized under the ACA.

Opponents would be attacked if they passed tax laws penalizing free choice by pushing Right to Life through federal govt 'as the law of the land' the way liberals are pushing Right to Health Care as a nationalized belief. Can we please have a President, a Supreme Court, and a leader in Congress who understands POLITICAL BELIEFS, so these can all be treated equally, even if that means keeping them out of govt.

You'll need to start another thread about this. PoliticalChic has now done what they always do...turn every thread into a rant about communism. Watch and see.

Dear Arianrhod Everywhere it's the same.
Might as well further the conversation here as anywhere else.

You seem to be a reasonable person, able to focus on points and principles
and not get sidetracked with too much personal emotional stuff that comes out as part of the process.

Why not just discuss it here?

Once people get used to actually being heard and taken seriously,
of course that opens the door to deeper discussion.

Just keep on keeping on. Talk with people respectfully as you always do with me.
The other barriers will go away, as long as we keep voting on the side of on point discussion.

You can have the conversation anywhere,
just address the person with respect and ask open ended questions
that encourage dialogue.

Thanks I think you are better at this than even I am,
so please don't get discouraged by some of the nonsense that comes with the territory.

We are talking about politics, about deep rooted political and religious beliefs embedded
in people's perception and language, so of course it is going to be challenging.

People are going to get personal, and respond on the defensive, until we gain a better
sense of accepting each other as we are and working with what we have and what we believe.
Let's just deal with that, as naturally what goes on, and not discount it as negative
when that's just how we as committed individuals
are going to process very high pressured conflicting issues.

You do really well in responding consistently level headed;
keep up the excellent posts and responses,
and you'll see it will get better as we go. Thanks for adding
your contributions to these discussions and to the forum in general.
Every little bit helps!

The horse crap claim that this is a rant...is just that.

I don't see A's posts for that reason. I suspect she is one of those paid shills who does nothing but keep threads going in directions other than what posters want.

A get's just as personal as anyone else on this board.

Don't kid yourself.

 

[BlueGin]

ObamaCare is not an insurance company. Who's the patient's insurer? Ask them.

As I never posted against folks having health insurance, and President Ronald Reagan made certain that every person in the nation...citizen or not....had health care....perhaps you'd care to answer:

Is that drug that saved Carter available to those covered under ObamaCare?

Dear PoliticalChic and Arianrhod
OK let's quit using "ObamaCare" if that is causing confusion for literalists.

Can we ask if FREE MARKET beliefs in health care are
protected equally under the ACA mandates written, imposed and enforced by people with biased beliefs in the right to health care,
while EXCLUDING and PENALIZING citizens who don't.

This is like asking is the belief in RIGHT TO CHOOSE protected
equally under "right to life legislation" .

No, Free Market choices are now penalized under the ACA.

Opponents would be attacked if they passed tax laws penalizing free choice by pushing Right to Life through federal govt 'as the law of the land' the way liberals are pushing Right to Health Care as a nationalized belief. Can we please have a President, a Supreme Court, and a leader in Congress who understands POLITICAL BELIEFS, so these can all be treated equally, even if that means keeping them out of govt.

You'll need to start another thread about this. PoliticalChic has now done what they always do...turn every thread into a rant about communism. Watch and see.

Dear Arianrhod Everywhere it's the same.
Might as well further the conversation here as anywhere else.

You seem to be a reasonable person, able to focus on points and principles
and not get sidetracked with too much personal emotional stuff that comes out as part of the process.

Why not just discuss it here?

Once people get used to actually being heard and taken seriously,
of course that opens the door to deeper discussion.

Just keep on keeping on. Talk with people respectfully as you always do with me.
The other barriers will go away, as long as we keep voting on the side of on point discussion.

You can have the conversation anywhere,
just address the person with respect and ask open ended questions
that encourage dialogue.

Thanks I think you are better at this than even I am,
so please don't get discouraged by some of the nonsense that comes with the territory.

We are talking about politics, about deep rooted political and religious beliefs embedded
in people's perception and language, so of course it is going to be challenging.

People are going to get personal, and respond on the defensive, until we gain a better
sense of accepting each other as we are and working with what we have and what we believe.
Let's just deal with that, as naturally what goes on, and not discount it as negative
when that's just how we as committed individuals
are going to process very high pressured conflicting issues.

You do really well in responding consistently level headed;
keep up the excellent posts and responses,
and you'll see it will get better as we go. Thanks for adding
your contributions to these discussions and to the forum in general.
Every little bit helps!

The horse crap claim that this is a rant...is just that.

I don't see A's posts for that reason. I suspect she is one of those paid shills who does nothing but keep threads going in directions other than what posters want.

A get's just as personal as anyone else on this board.

Don't kid yourself.

Bingo. Paid troll.