Jesus is Jehovah! (Blog)

[Chuckt]

Wrong.

No. No. No.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Jesus said, "I commend MY spirit" and not "your spirit" which means Jesus had His own spirit.

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same Greek word for God is used for the Word.

John 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The same Greek word for "word" is used for God and God took on flesh. God took on an additional nature which is a man.

The Jehovah Witnesses can't understand this unless they are honest.

Still wrong.

You haven't offered any information for me to think otherwise.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

- 1 Corinthians 11:3

G-d is Jehovah and Jesus is His Only Begotten Son. Jesus said that he did nothing apart from His Father.

Only Jehovah G-d knows when the end shall come. Jesus said he didn't know - only the Father in Heaven knows. Only Jehovah knows because He is the Head.

* I am not a Jehovah Witness and am not sure why Chuck mentioned Jehovah Witnesses. Jesus never referred to himself as Jehovah. Nor did his disciples.

 

[kjw47]

God indwelt a body that had its own human spirit. Jesus came as a man with His own human spirit that prayed to God. That is how.

Wrong.

No. No. No.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Jesus said, "I commend MY spirit" and not "your spirit" which means Jesus had His own spirit.

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same Greek word for God is used for the Word.

John 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The same Greek word for "word" is used for God and God took on flesh. God took on an additional nature which is a man.

The Jehovah Witnesses can't understand this unless they are honest.

Leaving the a out of John 1:1 was a serious error in translating. Many translations through history had the a--because it belongs there, it also remains in harmony with Jesus' truths with the a in John 1:1.

They made the same serious error with the greek word Proskenaue--It has 4 diffetrent meanings from greek to English--1) worship to God--2) Obesiance to a king. and 2 others

in the usage of this word for the Messiah( Gods appointed king) obeisance is the correct usage of that word, not worship---another misleading error in trinity translations.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

No. No. No.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Jesus said, "I commend MY spirit" and not "your spirit" which means Jesus had His own spirit.

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same Greek word for God is used for the Word.

John 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The same Greek word for "word" is used for God and God took on flesh. God took on an additional nature which is a man.

The Jehovah Witnesses can't understand this unless they are honest.

Still wrong.

You haven't offered any information for me to think otherwise.

I am not required to make you think.

 

[Gracie]

Ok. So....this means God and Jesus are two separate entities. Right?

 

[Chuckt]

Ok. So....this means God and Jesus are two separate entities. Right?

I prefer to say 3 in 1.

Athanasian Creed


I have more to say when I have time.

 

[Chuckt]

 

[hortysir]

John 1:1 covers it

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[Chuckt]

Wrong.

No. No. No.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Jesus said, "I commend MY spirit" and not "your spirit" which means Jesus had His own spirit.

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same Greek word for God is used for the Word.

John 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The same Greek word for "word" is used for God and God took on flesh. God took on an additional nature which is a man.

The Jehovah Witnesses can't understand this unless they are honest.

Leaving the a out of John 1:1 was a serious error in translating. Many translations through history had the a--because it belongs there, it also remains in harmony with Jesus' truths with the a in John 1:1.

They made the same serious error with the greek word Proskenaue--It has 4 diffetrent meanings from greek to English--1) worship to God--2) Obesiance to a king. and 2 others

in the usage of this word for the Messiah( Gods appointed king) obeisance is the correct usage of that word, not worship---another misleading error in trinity translations.

The Jehovah Witnesses had no adequate schooling for Bible Translation. Here is a trial transcript:

4 The men who comprised the Translation Committee had no adequate
schooling or background to function as critical Bible translators.
The self-appointed "scholars" who made up this Translation Committee
were: N.H. Knorr, F.W. Franz, A.D. Schroeder, G.D. Gangas and M.
Henschel. Aside from the current President Franz, none of the
Translation Committee members knew Biblical Greek or Hebrew and
Franz's ability is open to serious question. This came out in the
Scottish Court Sessions in November, 1954 (just four years after the
release of the Watchtower Scriptures). The following exchange of
question and answers between the attorney and Franz is taken from the
trial transcript:

Q. Have you also made yourself familiar with Hebrew?
A. Yes....
Q. So that you have substantial linguistic apparatus at your command?
A. Yes, for use in my biblical work.
Q. I think you are able to read and follow the Bible in Hebrew, Greek,
Latin, Spanish, Portuguese, German and French?
A. Yes.....(Pursuer's Proof, pg. 7)
Q. You, yourself, read and speak Hebrew, do you?
A. I do not speak speak Hebrew.
Q. You do not?
A. No
Q. Can you, yourself, translate that into Hebrew?
A. Which?
Q. That fourth verse of the second chapter of Genesis.
A. You mean here?
Q. Yes.
A. No, I wouldn't attempt to do that. (Pursuer's Proof, pgs. 102,103).


What Franz failed to do was a simple exercise which an average
first or second year Hebrew student in any seminary would have no
difficulty (see further, "We left Jehovah's Witnesses - A
non-Prophet Organization" - Edmond C. Gruss, pg. 59-101). It is also
interesting to note that no Greek scholar with andy credentials will
ednores the New World Translation. Bill Centnar, in 1954 (while still
a Jehovah's Witness working at Bethel), was assigned to interview a
well known Bible translator, Dr. Edgar J. Goodspeed, asking him for
his evaluation and recommendation of the New World Translation of the
Hebrew Scriptures. Dr. Goodspeed replied: "No, I'm afraid that I
could not do that. The grammar is regrettable...".

 

[Chuckt]

FRED FRANZ COURT TRANSCRIPT, NOVEMBER 24, 1954

http://www.equip.org/PDF/DJ200.pdf

 

[Chuckt]

Jehovah's Witnesses: Their Claims, Doctrinal Changes, and Prophetic Speculation. What does the Record Show?
By Edmond C. Gruss

It is right here on Google Books:

Jehovah's Witnesses: Their Claims, Doctrinal Changes, and Prophetic ... - Edmond C. Gruss - Google Books

 

[Chuckt]

Wrong.

No. No. No.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Jesus said, "I commend MY spirit" and not "your spirit" which means Jesus had His own spirit.

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same Greek word for God is used for the Word.

John 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The same Greek word for "word" is used for God and God took on flesh. God took on an additional nature which is a man.

The Jehovah Witnesses can't understand this unless they are honest.

Leaving the a out of John 1:1 was a serious error in translating. Many translations through history had the a--because it belongs there, it also remains in harmony with Jesus' truths with the a in John 1:1.

They made the same serious error with the greek word Proskenaue--It has 4 diffetrent meanings from greek to English--1) worship to God--2) Obesiance to a king. and 2 others

in the usage of this word for the Messiah( Gods appointed king) obeisance is the correct usage of that word, not worship---another misleading error in trinity translations.

Jehovah Witnesses have invented non-existent rules of Greek grammar

1. They have invented non-existent rules of Greek grammar and then
proceeded to follow these rules only when necessary to support their
peculiar theology. A clear example of this is John 1:1, where the
Translation Committee has rendered the Greek "and the Word was a god".
We cite the appendix of another Watchtower publication (The Kingdom
Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, page 1158), for their
footnote concerning John 1:1: "The reason for their rendering the
Greek word Divine and not God is that it is the Greek noun Theos
without the definite article..." May we call the Watchtower Society's
attention to verses 6, 12 and 13 (also found in the first chapter of
the Gospel of John). Here the Greek noun Theos appears without the
definite article (as in John 1:1) and yet the Translating Committee
has translated each verse as (Jehovah) God.

Another example of non-existent rules followed only when needed to
support their theology is found in the forward of the afore mentioned
Kingdom Interlinear Translation (pg. 18). Here we are taught how to
restore the Divine name. We are instructed that we can render the
Greek words "Kyrios" (Lord) and "Theos" (God) into Divine name by
determining if the Christian (Greek) writers have quoted from the
Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament). If so, we can render "Kyrios"
(Lord) and "Theos" (God) as Jehovah God. Once again, the Watchtower
"rule" is avoided by the Translation Committee as they translate
Philippians 2:11. The Apostle Paul quotes Isaiah 45:23 as he states
that "every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Jehovah God
(Kyrios) to the glory of God the Father.

2. The Translation Committee has made up a Greek tense that is
non-existent. We cite the 1950 edition of their "New World
Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures" rendering of John 8:58
where they have translated "ego eimi" as "I have been" and state that
it is "properly rendered in the perfect indefinite tense" in the Greek
language. There is NO "perfect indefinite sense" in any language!
After the Watchtower Society was informed of this fact, they made the
change to the "perfect tense indicative" but as the Greek student
knows, it is present tense and is correctly translated "I AM" (see
Exodus 3:14).

3. They have added words to Scripture which changes the meaning of
the texts to agree with their theology. Notice the Watchtower's
rendering of Colossians 1:16,17, where the word "other" has been added
four times to the text, completely changing its meaning. When Paul
wrote those passages that the Son created all things, it is obvious
that the Son was not himself created. The Watchtower, however,
believes that the Son is also a created being and has therefore added
"other" - not found in the Greek Biblical text at all - to make it
appear that the Son is also a creature. As mentioned before, the
Translation Committee has added the word "a" to John 1:1 to make the
Son a creature rather than God Himself. Take note also of the same
deceitfulness displayed in Philippians 2:9 where the word "other" is
again added, when it is not found or even suggested in the original
Greek.

http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/apl/jw/jw-031.txt

Posted with permission.

 

[Chuckt]

Walsh Trial

A copy of the complete transcript is available here.

 

[Gracie]

Not interested in links. Just thought I would ask a simple question.

Unsubscribed.

 

[kjw47]

No. No. No.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Jesus said, "I commend MY spirit" and not "your spirit" which means Jesus had His own spirit.

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same Greek word for God is used for the Word.

John 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The same Greek word for "word" is used for God and God took on flesh. God took on an additional nature which is a man.

The Jehovah Witnesses can't understand this unless they are honest.

Leaving the a out of John 1:1 was a serious error in translating. Many translations through history had the a--because it belongs there, it also remains in harmony with Jesus' truths with the a in John 1:1.

They made the same serious error with the greek word Proskenaue--It has 4 diffetrent meanings from greek to English--1) worship to God--2) Obesiance to a king. and 2 others

in the usage of this word for the Messiah( Gods appointed king) obeisance is the correct usage of that word, not worship---another misleading error in trinity translations.

The Jehovah Witnesses had no adequate schooling for Bible Translation. Here is a trial transcript:

4 The men who comprised the Translation Committee had no adequate
schooling or background to function as critical Bible translators.
The self-appointed "scholars" who made up this Translation Committee
were: N.H. Knorr, F.W. Franz, A.D. Schroeder, G.D. Gangas and M.
Henschel. Aside from the current President Franz, none of the
Translation Committee members knew Biblical Greek or Hebrew and
Franz's ability is open to serious question. This came out in the
Scottish Court Sessions in November, 1954 (just four years after the
release of the Watchtower Scriptures). The following exchange of
question and answers between the attorney and Franz is taken from the
trial transcript:

Q. Have you also made yourself familiar with Hebrew?
A. Yes....
Q. So that you have substantial linguistic apparatus at your command?
A. Yes, for use in my biblical work.
Q. I think you are able to read and follow the Bible in Hebrew, Greek,
Latin, Spanish, Portuguese, German and French?
A. Yes.....(Pursuer's Proof, pg. 7)
Q. You, yourself, read and speak Hebrew, do you?
A. I do not speak speak Hebrew.
Q. You do not?
A. No
Q. Can you, yourself, translate that into Hebrew?
A. Which?
Q. That fourth verse of the second chapter of Genesis.
A. You mean here?
Q. Yes.
A. No, I wouldn't attempt to do that. (Pursuer's Proof, pgs. 102,103).


What Franz failed to do was a simple exercise which an average
first or second year Hebrew student in any seminary would have no
difficulty (see further, "We left Jehovah's Witnesses - A
non-Prophet Organization" - Edmond C. Gruss, pg. 59-101). It is also
interesting to note that no Greek scholar with andy credentials will
ednores the New World Translation. Bill Centnar, in 1954 (while still
a Jehovah's Witness working at Bethel), was assigned to interview a
well known Bible translator, Dr. Edgar J. Goodspeed, asking him for
his evaluation and recommendation of the New World Translation of the
Hebrew Scriptures. Dr. Goodspeed replied: "No, I'm afraid that I
could not do that. The grammar is regrettable...".

The Pharisees complained about Jesus and his teachers not attending the schools of men--so far as to call them a sect(cult)--- when one has God-- its all one needs. The JW,s are correct whether this world likes it or not.

 

[kjw47]

FRED FRANZ COURT TRANSCRIPT, NOVEMBER 24, 1954

http://www.equip.org/PDF/DJ200.pdf

What is that--Jesus is the light of this world? a book? If the writer of this book actually knows Jesus--then he surely taught that Jesus pointed his followers to his God and Father in everything--not to himself. And would surely be teaching Jesus' truths--like this very simple truth that equals a childs milk---Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth--Jesus' teachers teach this truth--any child can understand this truth--yet trinity religions teach heaven or hell as the end and throw Jesus' truth away--how is this explained?

 

[emilynghiem]

Yes and no.
You are correct that of course Jesus is DISTINCT from Jehovah.
Jehovah created Jesus, not Jesus creating Jehovah, so these are not THE SAME.

However, they are one in spirit, inseparable.
As Jesus states both principles in the same passage
in JOHN 10:29-30, that he and the Father are ONE, while NO ONE is greater than the Father.
These do NOT contradict each other.

John 10:29-30 NIV
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all;
no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

John 10:29-30 KJV
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all;
and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.

BOTH STATEMENTS ARE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME
JEHOVAH IS GREATER THAN JESUS
AND
THE SON AND THE FATHER ARE ONE

Any fear or doubt in your mind that tells you to focus on conflict
is a trick of the Devil tempting to divide neighbor against neighbor
instead of forgiving and correcting in truth to unify in Christ Jesus.

If we don't forgive one another our differences, then anyone can abuse this language to divide people in conflict.

Jesus is Jehovah! (Blog)

This is the outline of a paper showing that the Lord Jesus Christ of the New Testament is the Jehovah (Heb. YHWH or Yahweh) incarnate (in flesh) of the Old Testament.

Be prepared for a lot of scriptures!

CreationEvolutionDesign: Jesus is Jehovah!

Then if Jesus is Jehovah( which anyone who knows him, knows he is not Jehovah)

Who did he pray to? Who spoke from heaven? and said--This is my son the beloved, whom I have approved-listen to him

This is who--John 17:6--hallowed be thy( Father) name= YHWH(Jehovah)

Jesus is not Jehovah.

 

[emilynghiem]

The Pharisees complained about Jesus and his teachers not attending the schools of men--so far as to call them a sect(cult)--- when one has God-- its all one needs. The JW,s are correct whether this world likes it or not.

1. The JW do agree with the LITERAL Bible passage:
to baptize all nations in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

They do not believe in teaching Father/Son/HolySpirit
as a "Trinity" but as ONE.
So if you talk with JW, always spell out the terms as
Father/Son/HolySpirit or cite the literal Bible passage
so they know you are referring to that, not to messed up explanations
of "The Trinity" that make no sense to them.

2. the JW insist on calling the HolySpirit God's "active force"
even though the name "Comforter" in the Bible is more common
(Active Force is claimed to be from
Genesis 1:2 King James Version (KJV)
"2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darknesswas upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
JW have replaced or translated Spirit of God with God's Active Force.

So on one hand they CLAIM to reject names like "Trinity" and "God"
as "not the original names"
but when it comes to
"Active Force" for "HolySpirit" they use their theology and translation
and not the literal Bible
(they also allow substituting Jehovah for YHWH
saying it is just a different pronunciation of the same name not a different name)
but again
when it comes to "Active Force"
this is NOT in the Bible except in translations printed by the JW
which most groups do not accept as an accurate scholarly translation
but rewriting it in their own terms.

3. Also the JW reject spiritual healing as demonic
while misinterpreting the "eating/consuming of blood"
as prohibiting medical procedures that rely on blood transfusions.

 

[Chuckt]

FRED FRANZ COURT TRANSCRIPT, NOVEMBER 24, 1954

http://www.equip.org/PDF/DJ200.pdf

What is that--Jesus is the light of this world? a book? If the writer of this book actually knows Jesus--then he surely taught that Jesus pointed his followers to his God and Father in everything--not to himself. And would surely be teaching Jesus' truths--like this very simple truth that equals a childs milk---Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth--Jesus' teachers teach this truth--any child can understand this truth--yet trinity religions teach heaven or hell as the end and throw Jesus' truth away--how is this explained?

Jesus went through His trial with flying colors. Your leaders lied about knowing Greek and Hebrew enough. It is a court case. What do you think it is?

 

[MaryL]

It's so easy to mock Christians, I pull my punches. God bless us all. The best thing I can say about Christians, or Jews, is that you aren't putting bombs on pregnant women or children or crashing planes loaded with people into buildings to harm people for the cosmic banana, unlike that OTHER religion. The one that stones or chops off hands or ...well, ya get the picture. Ya'al religions are related, right? Same root beliefs, same people, same ol' same old. Where did Islam go wrong? Or, maybe they got it right and you are just vacillating cowards. Thing is, none of you sweet sweet people can prove god exists. Why should you. Why bother with doubt?