It’s Time to Unplug the Hype Over Electric Vehicles

Very good reasons to get an EV, put solar on the roof, and batteries in the garage. The give the local utility the finger.

Unless you have a very large tract of land, relative to the size of your actual house, you're not going to be generating enough of your own electricity via solar panels to “ give the local utility the finger.”
 
Unless you have a very large tract of land, relative to the size of your actual house, you're not going to be generating enough of your own electricity via solar panels to “ give the local utility the finger.”
Enough to charge an EV and then some
 
If you have insurance with a major carrier you may already have a tattle-tale device plugged into your vehicle's diagnostic port.

In the not-too-distant future look for government MANDATING (how Xiden LOVES that word!) you have one of those gizmos installed on every vehicle. Not only will they report how many miles you drive they'll also inform government as to where and when you drive and at what speeds.

Surveillance Society here we come!
 
Enough to charge an EV and then some
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If you have insurance with a major carrier you may already have a tattle-tale device plugged into your vehicle's diagnostic port.

In the not-too-distant future look for government MANDATING (how Xiden LOVES that word!) you have one of those gizmos installed on every vehicle. Not only will they report how many miles you drive they'll also inform government as to where and when you drive and at what speeds.

Surveillance Society here we come!
I hear if you wear a tin foil hat you can block it
 
Unless you have a very large tract of land, relative to the size of your actual house, you're not going to be generating enough of your own electricity via solar panels to “ give the local utility the finger.”
A 5kW solar power system with an average irradiance of 4 peak-sun-hours per day will theoretically generate 20kWh per day. This assumes clear skies with no shading and will vary according to location. In practice, a 5kW system may produce less than this, as solar losses reduce the power output.Jul 11, 2021

In the southern states, and adequate amount, northern states, not so much. More than enough in California. Put in 40 kwh hours of batteries, and you are in good shape. Or install 8 kw of solar.
 
Who the hell did you talk to?


The number of electric vehicles (EVs) is gradually growing across the globe, and the charging infrastructure for these vehicles continues to expand. By 2019, there were an estimated 7.3 million EV chargers worldwide, of which about 6.5 million units were private, installed by homeowners and those found in workplaces and apartment buildings.

With this new trend, and with electric cars becoming more affordable, it becomes prudent to consider installing a charging station on the premises of your business or at home. This will give you total control over when your car gets to charge. But how much does it cost to install an electric vehicle charger?

Electric Car Charging Station Costs

Several factors influence the cost of installing a charging station at home or in a specific location. The key factors include the output design and the charging type. Where you are looking to install the charging port as well as the person you hire to do the job and the cost of labor will also determine the overall cost.

There are three types of charging stations – Level 1, Level 2, and DC (direct current). The ratings for these three charging levels are as follows:

• Level 1: These are the standard electronic vehicle charging infrastructure with 120-volt single-phase AC of up to 16 amps. They are, however, limited to 12 amps and can deliver up to 1.9-kilowatt (kW) charge rate or about 5 miles of range per hour of charging. Level 1 units can be used with the standard household wall outlets since 120-volt outlets are readily available.
• Level 2: These types require a unit of 240 volts, and they allow for a wide range of charging speeds. With up to 80 amps power rating, they can deliver up to a 19.2-kilowatt charge rate or up to 60 miles of range per hour of charging time. This makes it one of the most suitable charging stations for most electronic vehicles. Level 2 EV chargers require exclusive charging equipment and a dedicated electrical circuit of 20 to 100 amps.
• DC Level 3: These charging stations use a 480-volt unit and can provide up to 80% charge in only 30 minutes. This is equivalent to 249 miles per hour of charging. They are, however, not compatible with all vehicles.

How much does it cost to install an EV charger?The costs of installation for these charging equipment also vary significantly. For example, the Level 1 charger costs between $300 to $600 before labor, which stands at about $1,000 to $1,700. The Level 2 charger goes a bit higher, with the cost increased to between $500 and $700 and labor costing about $1,200 to $2,000. For Level 3, you will need a whopping amount between $20,000 and $50,000 for parts, and labor could cost upwards of $50,000. It is worth remembering that if the installation process requires major electrical upgrades to your home, it could cost you more.
Like the other guy you are forgetting about power supply.
Homes have a finite amount of amps they can supply.
There are many homes across the U.S. that only have 50 or 75 amp service.
Others only 100 amps. A system that pulls between 45 - 80 amps would overload the system. Obviously.
So you have to account for that. Getting a 200 amp panel brought in often requires new line from the pole as well.
 

Doesn't impress those that know you have to sit for hours charging.

Graphene supercapitors will take one or two minutes to charge. It's getting their capacity to a point where they can last as long as a battery. Interesting that Tesla bought Maxwell on 2019 but sold it in 2021, just keeping the dry cell technology.

Do you know what the future is? Supercapacitors and nuclear fusion. Fusion is going leaps and bounds, and you know what that means, bugger all waste. Batteries and windmills are 1700's/1800's technology.
 
So funny to see all these "Conservative" clowns losing their minds over the choice of other people to drive EV's. Gas prices rise by a dime, and the yowl like a cat with it tail under a rocking chair. But the cannot see the advantage of owning a vehicle for which you can produce your own fuel. Then, of course, they are all screaming over range, but the average American drives less than 40 miles a day. Ah well, we know damned well were they living in 1910, they would be standing by the highway, ankle deep in horse shit, screaming "Get a horse" at the first automobiles they ever saw. And they are just as relevant today.
 
So funny to see all these "Conservative" clowns losing their minds over the choice of other people to drive EV's. Gas prices rise by a dime, and the yowl like a cat with it tail under a rocking chair. But the cannot see the advantage of owning a vehicle for which you can produce your own fuel. Then, of course, they are all screaming over range, but the average American drives less than 40 miles a day. Ah well, we know damned well were they living in 1910, they would be standing by the highway, ankle deep in horse shit, screaming "Get a horse" at the first automobiles they ever saw. And they are just as relevant today.
So they would be yelling at electric cars and say get a horse?
 
Like the other guy you are forgetting about power supply.
Homes have a finite amount of amps they can supply.
There are many homes across the U.S. that only have 50 or 75 amp service.
Others only 100 amps. A system that pulls between 45 - 80 amps would overload the system. Obviously.
So you have to account for that. Getting a 200 amp panel brought in often requires new line from the pole as well.

However, one of the other important considerations is how powerful of a charging station do you need? Most electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles available today can only accept a maximum of 16 to 32-amps, while charging on a level 2, 240-volt charging station. However, there are charging stations available today that can deliver more power, even though very few electric vehicles can actually accept it.

With this in mind, why would you put in a much larger panel that most EV's could not use? And since most of us would be charging while we are sleeping, why would you need a faster charge?
 

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